Poll: Who Will Be The Republican Candidate In 2012?
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1. Sarah Palin
9.09%
2 9.09%
2. Bobby Jindel
4.55%
1 4.55%
3. Paul Ryan
4.55%
1 4.55%
4. Mitt Romney
27.27%
6 27.27%
5. Mike Huckabee:
0%
0 0%
6. Jeb Bush
0%
0 0%
7. Tim Pawlenty
4.55%
1 4.55%
8. David Petraeus
0%
0 0%
9. None Of The Above
9.09%
2 9.09%
10. WHo Cares: None Are Acceptable
40.91%
9 40.91%
Total 22 vote(s) 100%
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2012 Presidential Watch
#1
I'm going to start this thread, and make it sticky, until the 2012 election is over, and ask everyone to put the upcoming election here in this thread, so we can keep track of everything. It's 'sticky', so all you have to do is look at the very top of the US Politics Section, when you wish to post on the upcoming election.

Much of the Palin material will not appear here, but I want to start this out, by showing a video, on PajamasMedia, on the heroics of Representative Paul Ryan. I believe that he is going to be a serious contender in the future, and if he becomes a rallying point over this healthcare debate, he could be in a serious position to start running for the presidency of 2012. It will be very interesting to follow this person, as he gains in statue.

My only serious complaint with him, is that G-d Awful parting of his hair. That Has Got to Go, if he is going to make it. After all, looks are very important, like it or not. Wink1

Paul Ryan Faces Down Obama: Just the Facts Mr. President
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#2
Palin did a good job on Leno last night doing a stand-up comedy act. Her timing was excellent, and her humor was funny. She knows how to interact with a crowd. And she doesn't need a teleprompter. S2
#3
I voted for Romney,but,Ryan probably is the intellectual leader of the "Reagan thinking" sector of the party.
#4
What about Mitch Daniels, for addition to your list.

Romney seems to have started his campaign already. What little I have seen of Pawlenty is good.
Jefferson: I place economy among the first and important virtues, and public debt as the greatest of dangers. To preserve our independence, we must not let our rulers load us with perpetual debt. We must make our choice between economy and liberty, or profusion and servitude. If we can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of caring for them, they will be happy.
#5
Don't know much about him, except he looks great with a hat on. Wink1
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#6
I'd prefer a scarecrow that does nothing. Same with half the congress.
#7
G,

After they repeal half the laws on the books,yea,I'd prefer stuffed bird,too. Be less dangerous,look better,etc.
#8
Put me in office, orifice, whatever, I will get some stuff straightened out, or browbeat them into doing so. The public will eat up a character like me in a heartbeat. Tools.
#9
It's too late now, but the Founders should have entered a provision, into the Constitution, where ALL laws would be sunset, and had to be remade from scratch. For example, a new law would last only five years. Next time around, it would last ten years. Third time it would last twenty years, and then last twenty from then on out.

That way, the law would have to be under periodic review, and if it was not good, it would be sunset out of existence. Also, the books would be cleared automatically, and there would not be tons of laws all over the place.
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#10
That is a great idea,John,seriously. Ben Franklin was too busy getting some sex to think of that angle.
#11
Palladin Wrote:That is a great idea,John,seriously. Ben Franklin was too busy getting some sex to think of that angle.

My mind is always churning up new things, that I somehow think would be practical. Sunset laws is something the Founders really missed out on. Once you think of it, it's a "No Brainer", especially if you are suspicious of government.
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#12
John L Wrote:It's too late now, but the Founders should have entered a provision, into the Constitution, where ALL laws would be sunset, and had to be remade from scratch. For example, a new law would last only five years. Next time around, it would last ten years. Third time it would last twenty years, and then last twenty from then on out.

That way, the law would have to be under periodic review, and if it was not good, it would be sunset out of existence. Also, the books would be cleared automatically, and there would not be tons of laws all over the place.
I told my son last year that if I could only change one thing, this would be it. He ended up arguing with his teachers over it. Naturally the teacher thought this was a bad idea. I still stand by it.
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#13
The problem with all laws--which would include the Constitution itself--being "sunset" type legislation, is that the good sense of one generation may not be perpetuated by a following generation. All it would take is one generation dominated by selfish fools to spoil everything. Allowing too frequent input gives too much opportunity for entropy to assert itself, until everything is debased to the kind of rule of bread and circuses that ruined ancient Rome. Remember, democracy only works as long as the indolent, self-indulgent, largely unintelligent and misinformed majority is kept out of the voting booths by their own apathy. Vox Populi VEX Dei. Democracy works best when it is limited to those who truly care enough to be informed and actively involved.

If the Constitution had to be reworked every generation, then in the 1930's, America might have become a communist dictatorship.
#14
Vox populi Vex dei is right.

There ya go Ron,messing up a good idea.

The thing is,in our system the people have to be trusted whether we're right or wrong. We don't have the system where we trust the high and mighty to think for us...........well,not formally.
#15
The Weekly Standard has a list of strong contenders: Mitch Daniels, John Kasich, Meg Whitman, Bobby Jindal, Haley Barbour, Sarah Palin, Newt Gingrich, Tim Pawlenty, Jim DeMint, and Rick Perry. Also mentioned are Huckabee, Ron Paul, and Romney - but not considered exciting, with only Romney having a chance.

What ties these folk together is accomplishment: Rick Perry being the most impressive for his antiestablishment governance of Texas in a down economy and beating the "darling of the Texas Republican Grandees."

Paul Ryan is still a Congressman, whose major accomplishment is his "A Roadmap for America’s Future 2.0", which while genuinely well thought-out, has a few OMB-scored problems that can come back to bite him.

The two that come to mind is "[Taking] the Medicare program, and for those 55 and below [turning] it into a voucher program, so that individuals are on their own in the health-care market. And the voucher does not keep pace with health-care costs over time."

And: "significant changes to the tax code that would provide large tax benefits to upper-income households, while shifting the burden onto middle- and lower-income households. He eliminates the tax preference that currently exists for employer-sponsored insurance." The OMB scoring puts a bulls-eye on his product that may distract from his excellence as a candidate. But as in all things, time will tell.
#16
Keep in mind that the Weekly Standard is a NeoFederalist paper, with a NeoFederalist(think NeoConservative) editor, William Kristal. They are for a stronger federal government, and are not the least bit interested in Jeffersonian principles. They need to be kept on a short leash.
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#17
Actually, William Kristol is for Jeffersonian principles. He did say that government should be effective, but said that in 2001 as an answer to "the flabbiness" and "lack of greatness" inflicted by the Clinton administration.

Krystol Wrote:This American understanding of greatness is friendly to private property, prosperity and progress. And it isn't unfriendly to government, properly understood. After all, as Lincoln reminds us, it is "through this free government which we have enjoyed" that Americans have secured "an open field and a fair chance" for our "understanding, enterprise, and intelligence." Free government--limited but energetic--is not the enemy. It can be used, in the spirit of Henry Clay and Teddy Roosevelt, to enhance competition and opportunity.

Today this means policies that would bust the great public trusts of our time--the education, health and Social Security monopolies. It means welfare programs that demand personal responsibility. It means education policies that promote high standards, challenge our best talents and promote scientific and national progress. It means taking seriously questions of public morality, while recognizing the limitations of legal sanctions. For example, in lieu of a consensus to outlaw abortion, it might mean a campaign to reduce the number of abortions year by year, via adoption and in other ways.
Yes, Teddy Roosevelt was the original Progressive - but what comes to mind when you think of him was his love of country. He would be aghast at what today's Progressives think of their nation. When Krystol mentioned Roosevelt it was in that vein - not as a predecessor to the Nanny-state Progressives of today.

Krystol referred to reducing the "real public trusts of our time--the education, health and Social Security monopolies. It means welfare programs that demand personal responsibility." That would reduce government - not grow it.

I don't endorse growing government - and don't get the claim that Krystol and The Weekly Standard is for growing government. However, the Democrats do push that idea at every opportunity. (There are factions within a party. Gasp! They must be denounced and separated out.)

Reagan wanted to get rid of the Department of Education, but never had the congressional support to do it. Doesn't make him a fan of the DofE nor a proponent of big government.

Now David Brooks has indeed gone over the edge, and his early links with Krystol has brought Krystol down. But where Brooks has embraced socialism, Krystol has not.

The strategy of identifying and separating out factions of conservatives is a Democrat construct, and those who buy into it are useful idiots. One such said in defense of the plan of the founders of this nation, a plan that they knew was the only way to secure individual rights to life, liberty and property: "Neither Jonah Goldberg, David Frum, Dick Cheney, Paul Wolfowitz, George Will, William Kristol, Richard Perle, nor any other neo-cons subscribe to this idea. They are pro-state, pro-empire, and anti-individual rights to life, liberty and property. They are not conservatives. While they claim that their policies and actions will preserve individual rights, they are lying."

None of the named individuals are opposed to rights to life, liberty and property. Saying so is just stupid. Personally, Cheney is one of the few politicians I am sure of who puts the nation first.

I am willing to listen to everyone without using someone else's labels to condemn them. If what they say is right then good. If what they so is wrong, then it is wrong and I won't support them. Maybe tomorrow they will say something right and win back some respect.

I don't condemn McCain because he is a moderate, but because he is John McCain.
#18
Bill, he and Krauthammer, and some other "neos" favour using taxes on gasoline, in order to steer demand. That is stupid, and not free market oriented. I stand by my accusation of them. They are "Neo-Federalists".
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#19
The gas tax only makes them wrong. It may have some credible arguments that can be made, but an honest debate would demolish it. The correct stance is to defend what is right instead of deflecting the debate to ad hominem.

Politicians can always come up with stupid policies. It is up to us to shape that argument into truth and light. Remember everyone doesn't agree about something. Kristol and Krauthammer have said many things I agree with and some things that are stupid. I refuse to let the media or the Democrats draw the lines at what is acceptable to me or is not, especially when such ad hominem decisions are predesigned to rend the unity of the entire conservative spectrum.

PETA will scream at Obama because he's not toeing their single-issue planks up to their expectations - but in an election they would never vote for anyone who would lessen their chances to maintain power. The folk on the Right will vote in Obama to teach their own side a lesson - yet the lesson was established from time immemorial that such a tactic has never worked, and actually has the opposite result.

I guess the Left has no pride but is severely pragmatic - and that is buttressed by the Right being devoid of logic and way too much pride.
#20
General David Petraeus is the latest golden nominee. He is more akin to Eisenhower than Colin Powell, in philosophy, but all took the "I will not run" POV. Eisenhower was drafted and carried in by a huge groundswell.

Has anyone seen an in-depth cataloging of his ideas? I'd hate for a one-note wonder to be swept in by the acclaim due from the surge alone, but mostly like what I've seen.

Who would be his best VP?


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