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Wind powered Turbines, Etc., And Their Costs To The Public
(06-17-2017, 12:29 PM)mr_yak Wrote: Canada doesn't seem to be broke John, what makes you think a guy like Justin Trudeau has lost his appetite for expensive boondoggles?

Oh ye of little faith. Think positive Jack. S13
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(06-17-2017, 03:46 PM)John L Wrote:
(06-17-2017, 12:29 PM)mr_yak Wrote: Canada doesn't seem to be broke John, what makes you think a guy like Justin Trudeau has lost his appetite for expensive boondoggles?

Oh ye of little faith.  Think positive Jack.  S13

I'm being realistic John.  Publicly demonstrating the fact that wind power isn't feasible without huge subsidies is the last thing that the environazis want ... there's no way they'll let this go.  The net lesson is that they need to get much more creative with the money laundering.
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This Aussie lady is not happy with the way things have been going 'Down Under', and she thinks its time to get back to reality. She's been pissed at her Liberal Coalition for some time now, since Abbot was replaced.

Climate change zealots need to get real

Quote:WELL, now we know.

The biggest deniers in the whole climate change debate are those who think we can have affordable power, lower emissions and a reliable network.

We can’t.

And after they almost sleepwalked their way to defeat at the last election, it would appear Coalition MPs have found their voices again on the issue that has defined Australian political debate over the past 15 years or more.

There’s no doubt that any policy that lowers Australia’s CO2 emissions will increase the cost of power and any move away from baseload capacity will make our network more unreliable.
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We live in one of the most competitive economic regions in the world. We are also a country rich in natural resources which has delivered us a record-breaking 26 years of economic growth.

We will never beat our neighbours when it comes to cheap labour but Australia’s abundant energy has always been our saving grace. We are the world’s second largest exporter of thermal coal and will soon be the largest exporter of gas. We also have the world’s biggest reserves of uranium. We should be an affordable energy superpower and, 15 years ago, we were; because the power system was run to minimise price and maximise reliability. Affordable power made us highly competitive, delivered industry and jobs, and gave us all a high standard of living.

Since then, green politics has trumped sensible economics and the result is subsidised wind farms and solar panels that make unprofitable the very coal and gas fired power stations that we need for baseload power. It’s a policy induced mess and we’re all paying the price, particularly our small to medium businesses who are doing it tough.

And she's not happy about this Finkel report that her government is trying to slip under the door. S4
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Using the Climate Change/CO2 hoax when you are pissed that wind energy is being more profitable than the coal you are trying to sell is not a rational argument.

Coal is maybe cheaper than wind if you have coal almost for free don't have environemental issues with smoke. As I imagine, Australians can build a power plant where nobody lives in a 100 miles radius, something impossible elsewhere. And in China and India, breathing polluted air a little bit less or a little bit more doesn't make much difference. Poeple can die early. They are overpopulated anyway. They don't know what healthcare bill means.

When you have to import coal and carry it by train over a thousand miles, then wind is cheaper.
Even solar can be cheaper too.

Saying that wind is unreliable is BS too. It's unreliable only if you want 100% or if you have an old fashioned power grid management. Not if you limit it to 30%.
30% is the treshold where it can cause disruption in worse case scenarios like no wind for several days.
But you need a modern, intelligent power grid able to turn on and off different sources and origines of power quickely. Intelligent grid are advantageous even without renewable energies.

The argument that you need back up plants running 24/7 in case wind stops blowing is also false or misrepresented. It also depends on how modern your equipement is. Non-renewable source also need back up capacity when they undergo maintenance.

In Europe wind farms are poping up everywhere and wind power growing at a steady pace. We never experience and I never heard of any disruption. This when several nuclear power plants have closed in the meantime.

It's not true that wind power is living entirely on state subsidies and funds against Climate Change.
IMO it's rather that they use the fight against Climate Change supertition to get funds for their lucrative business. So that they can make even more money.
The truth is that old and dirty energy plants also get subsidies, tax rebates and other deals with local authorities. That's what pro-coal and pro-atom poeple won't tell you.
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Unbelievable!
As soon as Pruitt resigned, Trump announces a giga off-shore wind project!  Shock

The funniest part is that in the midts of a trade war against the rest of the World, it will be the Europeans who will build it (at least at the beginning). Americans have no experience in this matter.

Trump! The anti-Green, the anti-Obama, the president of the AGW skeptic community, the friend of oil and coal moguls, Trump, the man famous for retiring the US from the Paris Climate Agreement!

IMO, some poeple here will have a hard time knowing what to reply... That sounds like a treason, isn't it?
Didn't you vote Trump to avoid any wind farm to be ever build in your country?  Aww
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(07-05-2018, 07:40 PM)Fredledingue Wrote: Unbelievable!
As soon as Pruitt resigned, Trump announces a giga off-shore wind project!  Shock

The funniest part is that in the midts of a trade war against the rest of the World, it will be the Europeans who will build it (at least at the beginning). Americans have no experience in this matter.

Trump! The anti-Green, the anti-Obama, the president of the AGW skeptic community, the friend of oil and coal moguls, Trump, the man famous for retiring the US from the Paris Climate Agreement!

IMO, some poeple here will have a hard time knowing what to reply... That sounds like a treason, isn't it?
Didn't you vote Trump to avoid any wind farm to be ever build in your country?  Aww

Fred, this is just my opinion, and you know what opinions are like,.....right? Spiteful

I think he is offering a fig leaf to the Euros here as some atonement for the tariff hammer. Its like the "good cop, bad cop" thing. I don't for one minute believe The Donald is naive enough to fall for that "wind and solar being the world's savior" sort of thing. Only the Greenie Progressive Left here fall for that manure. So, he is playing the good guy here, and offering a crumb, while coal and nuclear constitute the main drive.

Maybe I'm wrong, but any belief that he is into the 'solar/wind' thing is wishful thinking. S5
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I don't think it was only to appease europeans. He could just lower tariffs for them, if there was a problem, that would be simplier. I mean I don't think the project is being build only for that purpose. But it has certainly an effect on negotiations.

I also don't think Trump believe that he is saving the planet by doing this. He made it abundantly clear he was not a believer in this hoax.
The only answer to this mystery is that wind energy became competitive and profitable.
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