Poll: E-Book Readers: What About Them?
You do not have permission to vote in this poll.
1. I like my E-Reader
0%
0 0%
2. I like the idea of the WebBook best
0%
0 0%
3. My Laptop can already do everything for me
0%
0 0%
4. Real books are still the way to go
0%
0 0%
5. I don't see what All The Hoopla Is All About
0%
0 0%
Total 0 vote(s) 0%
* You voted for this item. [Show Results]

Thread Rating:
  • 0 Vote(s) - 0 Average
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Is This Finally The Year of The E-Reader?
#61
Yeah, I've seen much of today's hype on the new iPad.

From between (list) $499 to $829 according to storage size (16, 32, 64G) and whether it has 3G access.

As a larger iPod, it's pretty cool. Still no camera (somewhat of a surprise), though, and it doesn't support multi-tasking, although, like the iPod, you may be able to listen to music while doing other things.

Won't let you view Flash videos, either, so websites with Flash just won't look right.
I know you think you understand what you thought I said,
but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant!
Reply
#62
Yeah, I've seen much of today's hype on the new iPad.

From between (list) $499 to $829 according to storage size (16, 32, 64G) and whether it has 3G access.

As a larger iPod, it's pretty cool. Still no camera (somewhat of a surprise), though, and it doesn't support multi-tasking, although, like the iPod, you may be able to listen to music while doing other things.

Won't let you view Flash videos, either, so websites with Flash just won't look right.
I know you think you understand what you thought I said,
but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant!
Reply
#63
Has Apple really changed the world again?

Where do journalists come up with this sort of crap? At best it is not Revolutionary, but Evolusionary. It's just another verson of the WebBook, but without a keyboard.

As mentioned earler, whenever the webbooks come with a lid, where the keyboard is located, and make it totally foldable, or slidable, into the other section, it is the same thing.

I'll give Jobs one thing. He really knows how to stroke the press for all it's worth. Hey, it looks snappy, but is nothing earth shattering.

Now, are we all going to run out and grab one, at those wonderful prices that Apple is so good at establishing? Please tell me one thing the WebBooks, such as the Acers, don' have? And they are about half the total cost of this 'beauty'.
___________________________________________________________________________________________________
“Conservatism is only as good as what it conserves.” - Friedrich von Hayek -
Reply
#64
Has Apple really changed the world again?

Where do journalists come up with this sort of crap? At best it is not Revolutionary, but Evolusionary. It's just another verson of the WebBook, but without a keyboard.

As mentioned earler, whenever the webbooks come with a lid, where the keyboard is located, and make it totally foldable, or slidable, into the other section, it is the same thing.

I'll give Jobs one thing. He really knows how to stroke the press for all it's worth. Hey, it looks snappy, but is nothing earth shattering.

Now, are we all going to run out and grab one, at those wonderful prices that Apple is so good at establishing? Please tell me one thing the WebBooks, such as the Acers, don' have? And they are about half the total cost of this 'beauty'.
___________________________________________________________________________________________________
“Conservatism is only as good as what it conserves.” - Friedrich von Hayek -
Reply
#65
John L Wrote:Has Apple really changed the world again?

Where do journalists come up with this sort of crap? At best it is not Revolutionary, but Evolusionary. It's just another verson of the WebBook, but without a keyboard.

As mentioned earler, whenever the webbooks come with a lid, where the keyboard is located, and make it totally foldable, or slidable, into the other section, it is the same thing.

I'll give Jobs one thing. He really knows how to stroke the press for all it's worth. Hey, it looks snappy, but is nothing earth shattering.

Now, are we all going to run out and grab one, at those wonderful prices that Apple is so good at establishing? Please tell me one thing the WebBooks, such as the Acers, don' have? And they are about half the total cost of this 'beauty'.
No. I don't buy apple. I am not a fan boy.
[Image: SalmaHayekcopy.jpg]
Reply
#66
The Classics. Found the link on Jerry Pournelle's page.

http://classics.mit.edu/Browse/index.html
May the road rise up to meet you.
May the wind always be at your back.
May the sun shine warm upon your face,
and rains fall soft upon your fields.
And until we meet again,
May God hold you in the palm of His hand.
Reply
#67
What I haven't seen yet is if these iPads can be read like a book in direct sunshine with a power supply that will last for weeks at a time.

If they can't then they are not eBooks.
Reply
#68
Nope - they can't do that.

You've hit one one of the great features of the eBooks "e ink" electronic "paper" display.

Power is only used to "change a page". Once it is changed, the screen retains the image until it is replaced.

That's why the battery lasts as long as it does between re-charges.

Cool, huh?
I know you think you understand what you thought I said,
but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant!
Reply
#69
Yes, that and that they are wireless and can pull books and magazines and newspapers out of the air, and weigh about a tenth of a laptop.
Reply
#70
WmLambert Wrote:...and that they are wireless and can pull books and magazines and newspapers out of the air, and weigh about a tenth of a laptop.

That describes much of what I can do on my iPod Touch.
I know you think you understand what you thought I said,
but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant!
Reply
#71
10 things Netbooks still do better than an iPad
I know you think you understand what you thought I said,
but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant!
Reply
#72
JohnWho Wrote:10 things Netbooks still do better than an iPad

You poor man. By now Jobs has sent iHate hitmen...
May the road rise up to meet you.
May the wind always be at your back.
May the sun shine warm upon your face,
and rains fall soft upon your fields.
And until we meet again,
May God hold you in the palm of His hand.
Reply
#73
[Image: theilife.jpg]

A picture is worth a thousand words.
The true purpose of democracy is not to select the best leaders — a clearly debatable obligation — but to facilitate the prompt and peaceful removal of obviously bad ones. 
Reply
#74
PG-13
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L68aKVAzwQ4
May the road rise up to meet you.
May the wind always be at your back.
May the sun shine warm upon your face,
and rains fall soft upon your fields.
And until we meet again,
May God hold you in the palm of His hand.
Reply
#75
Broke indeed. I see people talking about phones or wanting new ones and such, but wonder why they are tight on money all the time.....mine was a free motorola, and I pay very little in the way of phone bills.
Reply
#76
Ugghhh. dumb but very funny pun. :lol:
Jefferson: I place economy among the first and important virtues, and public debt as the greatest of dangers. To preserve our independence, we must not let our rulers load us with perpetual debt. We must make our choice between economy and liberty, or profusion and servitude. If we can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of caring for them, they will be happy.
Reply
#77
[Image: sbr012810dAPR20100129012528.jpg]
___________________________________________________________________________________________________
“Conservatism is only as good as what it conserves.” - Friedrich von Hayek -
Reply
#78
This last Friday and Saturday, I accompanied my designer friend to Williamsberg, VA, to install two new elderly apartments, with all the furniture, artwork, bath, and window treatments. Needless to say, the two helpers, who were supposed to do the 'grunt' work, didn't show up. So, I wound up doing it all, along with Beverly. We also had to change out a deluxe apartment, because the showcase was rented.

What a hard couple of days. I'm still very sore, and probably won't be up to speed until tomorrow. However, I made $1200 for my labour. Not too bad for two days. So, I've decided to treat myself with a book reader, since I now have a little spending money, over what I expected.

I've been comparing the field, and they are almost all still too expensive, in order to justify getting one. I'm already checked out the WebBooks and there isn't one yet, which has the ability to rotate the cover 180 degrees, in order to have just one housing. If I could find one like that, I would not even consider a book reader at all, even though the netbook weighs about three times that of the book reader. It would just do so much more.

But I came across this neat little reader. It's the Ectaco Jetbook e-Reader. It's unique, in that it costs about half that of other book readers. And it doesn't show up on the "best of" reviews, but from what I have gathered so far, it has attracted somewhat of a 'cult' following. Here's a YouTube video on the reader.

It's not the slickest and most elegant reader out there. And it's not really what is officially an "e-book" because it does not use the 'e-ink' technology, like what you will find on the Kindle and Sony models. I've watched videos of this type of screen, and frankly I can't stand them. Every time you change pages, there is a flash of black/dk-gray, that completely ruins one's chain of thought. I don't see how anyone can stand having to do this on a continual basis.

This reader uses the lcd screen, but it is supposed to be light enough to allow you to use it outside on a sunny day. And changing pages if very fast.

You also can load audio books, and listen to them on headphones, without having to use your stereo system. And on the road, you can listen to the books. Also, it comes with a music player capability, which is also a nice touch. A nice adagio in the background, or if you are Tait, some AC/DC would be great too. Wink1

Another thing I like here is that the reader acts like a true hard drive when it is attached to the computer, through the USB connection. You can simply drag and drop the information. And you can add folders to your heart's content.

I think this is why so many people are fanatics about the little bugger, because it's screen is a 5" diagonal in stead of the 6" of most readers.

Has anyone heard of this reader before? And is anyone up to speed with other readers, in order to compare the Jetbook to them?

I can get one for $139, which is about half what the nice ones cost. And at that price, I could use it for a year, until the netbooks come out with more capabilities, and make it worthwhile to get one of them for my heavy duty reading.

Thoughts anyone?
___________________________________________________________________________________________________
“Conservatism is only as good as what it conserves.” - Friedrich von Hayek -
Reply
#79
Here's some more information on the e-reader field. The January 2010 Consumer Electronics Show, was filled with companies touting e-readers, and here are several pages and videos on the market.

Episode 622 – CES 2010 Part 1 video download

CES 2010: 14 second with jetBook

CES 2010: E-Readers Galore

Ectaco jetBook Lite eBook reader to sell for less than $150

The Ectaco jetBook Universal Portable Reading Device Review
___________________________________________________________________________________________________
“Conservatism is only as good as what it conserves.” - Friedrich von Hayek -
Reply
#80
I've pretty well decided on what I am going to get. It's the LIBRE eBook Reader PRO (White). Basically, it's identical to the Jetbook, body wise. But it also comes with a 2 GB SDCard, and it also handles both DRM pdfs as well as non-DRM pdfs. The Jetbook only handles the later.

Also, the Libre is about $10 cheaper than the Jetbook, and I can purchase it locally, at OfficeMax. I have to pay sales tax, but have the ability to return it if I don't like it, so that is worth the tax difference. Anyway, it will run me $160 complete. It's not cheap, but still $50-100 cheaper than the top of the line readers.

I considered getting the B&N Nook, among others, but the technology is about to take off, and what I get today, is going to be antiquated in about another year.

This article, from PC World, gives the lowdown on ebook readers, and why now is not the time to lay out good money for a nice reader. It's far better to wait on color screens, and a host of other improvements.

Quote: Next E-Book Reader: Color and Video--and Nearly Unbreakable
Next-generation e-book readers will be able to handle types of content that today’s models just can’t. Look for the first ones later this year.
Yardena Arar
Tuesday, March 09, 2010 06:00 PM PST

[Image: 191113-181226-ebook2_180_original.jpg]


If you thought the E-Ink screen on your Kindle or Sony Reader was the epitome of high-tech for the printed page, hang on to your hat. By the end of this year, newer models--with newer display technologies--will start to make today's e-book readers look like Model T versions. These next-generation readers will sport color displays with refresh rates capable of supporting video. They'll also use flexible display technologies--but that doesn't mean you'll be able to roll them up (yet). Rather, they will make the devices a lot less fragile.


Taken together, these upgrades will usher in a new age of e-book content, including books and periodicals that depend heavily on detailed color graphics (think children's books or textbooks), video content (think magazines and newspapers), and superior durability (all of the above). While you can read printed content on just about any computer or smartphone these days, the LCD displays on most computers and smartphones aren't particularly well suited to serve as paper substitutes. For one thing, they are backlit, and gazing at a backlit display for extended periods of time can fatigue the human eye.

The Case for E-Ink


The overwhelming majority of the e-readers on the market today use so-called electronic paper displays from a company called E-Ink (now owned by Taiwanese display company Prime View International). E-Ink's Vizplex products use electrophoretic technology, in which tiny microcapsules containing even tinier black and white particles suspended in fluid are sealed into a film that is in turn laminated to a sheet of electronic circuitry. The blacks and whites respond differently to negative and positive charges: Depending on which group rises and becomes visible, the surface of the display will look white or black.


Several characteristics of electrophoretic displays make them appealing for e-books. They are thin, and they support very high resolutions, which allows for sharp, crisp fonts on a relatively skinny and lightweight device. They consume relatively little power, in part because they don't use a backlight: The technology is reflective, meaning that, as with paper, you need ambient light to see E-Ink pages. In fact, an E-Ink display gains contrast in bright sunlight, while transmissive displays such as LCDs generally fade outdoors. Lack of a backlight makes for a display with less glare that's easier on the eyes.

Another reason why electronic paper consumes less power than LCDs: They are bistable, meaning they don't need power to maintain an image--only to form a new one. (Bistable refers to the fact that electronic paper will retain an image whether it's powered on or off, so they maintain an image in two states.) For that reason, power consumption on readers based on electronic paper displays are commonly measured in page turns.

E-Paper Drawbacks


Today's electronic paper displays do have some significant drawbacks, starting with response time. One of the most common complaints of new e-book customers is the time required to change pages, and the flickering effect of the image change. That's because the response time of current E-Ink displays is at least a couple of hundred milliseconds: By way of comparison, LCDs--some of which now boast response times of just a couple of milliseconds--still battle the perception that they are less capable of handling fast-moving video than plasmas and other phosphor-based displays. While e-book fans usually adjust to the page-change times (which are, after all, not really slower than the time required to turn a physical paper page), the slow response time clearly makes today's e-book readers unsuited for video.

Lack of color isn't a serious problem for text-only content. But there's a universe of printed content that depends on color, including periodicals, children's books, textbooks, and anything else involving photographs and illustrations.


Also, first-generation e-books don't make good candidates for books that might be subjected to a certain amount of wear and tear, such as textbooks and children's books. Flexible displays are less likely to break if dropped. In addition, a lightweight flexible display might make a large-format reader more portable--today's Amazon Kindle DX is a relatively heavy 19 ounces.

The LCD Connection

[Image: 191113-181226-ebook1_original_original.jpg]

LCDs, of course, can display gorgeous color and video. But they also consume a lot of power--a long-standing issue for all mobile devices, but a real problem if you're going to be spending hours on end reading a book. And finally, especially with larger displays, the potential for breakage is significant--but ruggedizing technologies tend to be bulky and heavy, qualities that aren't at all desirable in an e-book reader you might want to hold for long periods of time.


Monochrome LCDs are another approach. Aluratek, for example, offers the Libre Pro, which uses a Toshiba-developed 5-inch monochrome, reflective-light LCD that has no backlight. Because it's an LCD, the display sidesteps the page refresh issue; and with no backlight to consume battery life, Aluratek estimates you can read with the device for 22 to 24 hours between charges (assuming you turn the page, on average, every 60 seconds).

A Competitive Industry


E-Ink is addressing some of these issues in products it's developing with some 20 partners, says Sri Peruvemba, the company's vice president of marketing. For example, the Hearst-backed Skiff reader, previewed at CES, is designed to display newspaper content; it has an 11.5-inch shatterproof, flexible metal-foil touchscreen display (developed by E-Ink in conjunction with LG), with built-in 3G and Wi-Fi support.

E-Ink's new parent, PVI, is helping to develop a color e-paper display, Peruvemba said. "It's one of the reasons we agreed to be acquired," he added. In fact, Chinese e-reader manufacturer Hanvon (also known as Hanwang) has announced plans to begin mass production of a reader based on a color E-Ink display by the end of this year. However products that significantly improve response time are still in the research phase, Peruvemba acknowledged.

E-Ink Competitors


While E-Ink has been the dominant player in the electronic paper market so far, it's getting more and more competition. A search for "color" and "bistable" in the U.S. Patent Office database brought up more than 1200 hits, including ones from Intel, Fujitsu, and Kodak.

In a report last summer, DisplaySearch analyst Jenny Colgrove identified several other companies competing in the electronic paper market, including Taiwan's SiPix (whose display technology is being used by Asus) and Japan's Bridgestone (the same folks that make the tires). Both have also shown prototypes of color e-book displays. Dutch company Irex has announced plans to begin distributing a color e-reader in 2011.


One of the most intriguing upcoming e-reader technologies comes from Qualcomm, the company best known for its mobile network technologies. Qualcomm MEMS (microelectromechanical systems ) Technologies has been showing a display technology it calls Mirasol for several years now. Mirasol is an interferometric modulation (IMOD) technology that, like its electrophoretic rivals, is reflective and doesn't use a backlight. But there the similarities appear to end. Mirasol uses two conductive plates that pull apart when a charge is applied to them; much the way a prism creates rainbows, a Mirasol display will create different colors as light passes through it depending on the distance between the plates.

Qualcomm executives say Mirasol is superior to the electrophoretic technologies used by E-Ink and others for several reasons. Response time is orders of magnitude faster, so video will not be a problem, and it's more energy-efficient, Qualcomm says. Mirasol is already starting to appear on cell phones--in China, Hisense's C108 sports a monochrome Mirasol display, and at the recent Mobile World Congress in Barcelona, Qualcomm MEMS Technologies and Taiwanese electronics manufacturer Inventec announced a Windows phone, the Inventec V112, that will use Mirasol in a 1.1-inch secondary display. An e-reader with a 5.7-inch color Mirasol display (rumor mill says it will be a next-gen Kindle) will be introduced this fall, according to Qualcomm MEMS Technologies marketing director Cheryl Goodman.


Forrester Research analyst James McQuivey says another possible contender in the e-reader display market might be a hybrid technology that blends some of the benefits of an LCD with those of a reflective display. A company called Pixel Qi has been showing prototypes of its 10-inch transflective display for netbooks and e-book readers; it claims to offer superior readability (especially indoors, when the LCD backlighting kicks in) and image quality. That's all we know for now; the company didn't respond to repeated requests for an interview.


This particular model does not use "eInk" technology. Rather, it uses a special LCD screen, which uses more power, but is cheaper and still does a good job, without tiring the eyes. The big disadvantage is the use of battery power. It is supposed to work for around 24 hours per charge, whereas, the eink screens last far longer.

But the eink technology is not very good. I have looked at page changing and it is horrible. The time between pages is long, and there is a blackout there, which is distracting. the Libre/Jetbook is very fast, and still has a good picture.

Now, as the article states, the industry is about to change substantially in the coming year. The quality, capabilities, and cost, will be much better, so I am going to get something that will do the job, yet not cost a lot of money, and save it for the next generation to come out. In about 1 - 1 1/2 years, I will be ready to come up with something much better for a great price.

Before I get it though, I am going to borrow my friend's netbook, and give it a try for a day or two, just to see if I can live with using it as an ebook reader. If I like that one, I'll go with the webbook instead, and have a genuine portable computer as well. I'll know in a couple of days.
___________________________________________________________________________________________________
“Conservatism is only as good as what it conserves.” - Friedrich von Hayek -
Reply


Forum Jump:


Users browsing this thread: 1 Guest(s)