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EDL: the rise of the British Resistance?
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Government is necessary because people left unchecked will do evil.

The government is composed of people left unchecked


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#2
The pot will be boiling over soon. Knew this was coming.
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#3
After all the negatives about them, we have this:

Quote:'For more than a decade now there's been tension in Luton between Muslim youths and whites. We all get on fine - black, white, Indian, Chinese... Everyone does, in fact, apart from these Muslim youths who've become extremely radicalised since the first Gulf War. This is because preachers of hate live in Luton and have been recruiting for radical Islamist groups for years. Our Government does nothing about them so we decided that we'd start protesting.'

Robinson could barely conceal his anger as he explained that the spark for him had been the sight of radical Muslims protesting when soldiers paraded through the town on their regiment's return from Afghanistan in May.

Following the incident Robinson set up a group called United People of Luton and, after linking up with a Birmingham-based organisation called British Citizens Against Muslim Extremists and another called Casuals United (largely made up of former football hooligans), they realised there was potential for a national movement.

'We have nothing against Muslims, only those who preach hatred. They are traitors who should be hanged and we'll keep taking to the streets until the Government kicks them out.'

And while some dislike the BNP, Neo-Nazis, etc......the gov't surely doesn't like them compared to the Islamists who continue relatively unchecked:

Quote:Communities Minister John Denham has also condemned the rise of the EDL: 'If you look at the types of demonstrations they have organised, the language used and the targets chosen, it looks clear that it's a tactic designed to provoke, to get a response. It's designed to create violence. And we must all make sure this doesn't happen.'

The gov't doesn't support them, so do they support the Islamists then?
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#4
It sounds like a real choice the UK ruling politicians will have to face up to. It had to come sooner of later.
Jefferson: I place economy among the first and important virtues, and public debt as the greatest of dangers. To preserve our independence, we must not let our rulers load us with perpetual debt. We must make our choice between economy and liberty, or profusion and servitude. If we can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of caring for them, they will be happy.
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#5
I think one choice UK pols made is between having peaceful larger opposition and militant strong. Violent attacks of the establishment on BNP, IP, EDL, and other similar groups keep them small and more extreme than they should have been since only true believers stick with them.

This is a tactic that would work for a while, but has a potential of a huge misfire -- in the event of a crisis, either in the form of a major terrorist attack or a deep economic crisis, these hardcore groups can quickly accumulate large following. Then the establishment will have to deal with the worst possibility: large movements with tested and extreme leadership.

Wait and see.

(Note: my use of "extreme" is not meant to disparage the resistance, but only to indicate that the resulting movements are more likely to favor strong measures, like expulsions vs limiting immigration).
Government is necessary because people left unchecked will do evil.

The government is composed of people left unchecked


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#6
I concur. A crisis of some sort would be a real trigger.
Jefferson: I place economy among the first and important virtues, and public debt as the greatest of dangers. To preserve our independence, we must not let our rulers load us with perpetual debt. We must make our choice between economy and liberty, or profusion and servitude. If we can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of caring for them, they will be happy.
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#7
When it comes to violence the British youth will probably teach the Islamic a few lessons.
The true purpose of democracy is not to select the best leaders — a clearly debatable obligation — but to facilitate the prompt and peaceful removal of obviously bad ones. 
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WarBicycle Wrote:When it comes to violence the British youth will probably teach the Islamic a few lessons.

I believe you there. I have followed the soccer hooliganism, of the 80s and 90s, all over Euro-Land. And they were almost exclusively a bloke induced series of events. Extreme rowdiness has been a British trait since post Roman times; probably even before that too.
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#9
I think it rose up at home since young British men couldn't go out and focus their testosterone in the Army in a far colony, building something to contribute to the expansion of the Empire, create inventions, wage war when they felt like it, generally do the things that made the British rule the waves and have the largest and continuous empire since the Romans.

You can't keep people on a small island under immense social pressure like this from gov't, Islamic groups and the inability to exert their will to power, with having the general political freedom that allows people to do such things. Why do you think the Brits were the ones who did alot of the exploring and conquering and colonizing?

So now we have the chickens coming home to roost after decades of socialism, restrictions on everything, other groups moving in an going about changing the country, etc.

Notice that the main poobah says everyone gets along fine. The Chinese, Blacks, Indians, and so forth, everyone except for the Islamist types, who never get along with anyone.
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#10
Muddying the waters is the fact that some of these movements in Europe really are racist at the core. They don't have conservatism like we do,most their "conservative movements" involve racist ideology.
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#11
Here is another nice piece from Eurabia:

Population Replacement?
Government is necessary because people left unchecked will do evil.

The government is composed of people left unchecked


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#12
mv,
I don't think that our governement is thinking in population replacement or in other high level sheme of that sort.
Their decision is extremely simple: It's much cheaper to legalize them than to send them back home.
In the short term of course.
It a lazy, as well as irresponsible and prevaricative attitude.

A study in France found that each expulsion costs an average of €26,000. IMO a price grossly exagerated, but even if it does cost half that money, that's almost two years of social wellfare payment.
Nonetheless Sarkozy's France continues to expell them at the rythme of 25,000 poeple per year.
It's a shame that other countries doesn't do the same.

However the article should be rectified: Marrocans have a reputation of being lazy and thiefs, but they intergrate quiet well, in comparison to other ethnic groups. They are white (or almost white depending on what you call white) and are the least islamic muslims after the Turks, the albanians and the algerians. The numbers of islamists among them is minimal.

It's also important to note, that this immunity doesn't affect all immigrants. Only those who are there for a certain number of years and have integrated. It includes also a certain number of non muslim immigrants.
The 50,000 number represents half of the illegals or semi-illegals who are currently on the belgian soil.

The second false statement in this article is that belgians are against legalization. This is not true. Amazingly most of belgians (and many french) are against forced expulsions.
This was due to incident when belgian policemen escorting an african woman in a plane, put a pillow on her face to prevent her from screaming. She died of suffocation and it caused a huge scandal.
Later on, to add wound to injury, a rumor went that since this incident, police druged the illegals with injection before boarding them in the plane.
There was a big ballyhoo about this story.

There is also a a movement of sympathy for the priests who opened their churches to the without-papers. This also an atttude by some members of the clergy which is discutable and limit outlaw.

Movement of sympathy largely relayed and amplified by the medias. Helping the without-papers and speaking against the nazy regime of expulsions is the cool stuff to do and the only way to be politicaly correct on air.

What is true is that this movement of sympathy for the could-be expellees is waning out.
The sympathy became empathy, then exasperation both at the governement which isn't doing anything and at the alliens who stay there for years without doing anything to be regularized through legal ways and who come in greater and greater numbers.

Right wing groups are gathering new voters and the traditional parties will soon have to react as their french counterparts did.
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