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Iran invades Iraq
#21
The occupied base is considered a ruin, isn't it: Shut down, off-line, and rusting? The seizure was symbolic, and the response may be symbolic - or not. The idea of isolating them is old-time siege-thinking, but may work. The Iranians can also send a wave of bomb-wearing children across the lines as they did against Saddam, daring the siege lines to kill them. Of course Al Jazeera will be embeded at a safe distance and get their facts directly from Ahmadinajed.
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#22
Probably not Al Jazeera per se, they are more Sunni, and Iran is nearly at war with the Saudis. But there will be someone else, perhaps CNN.

I'm not convinced that John's idea is technically realizable. The approach is a good one, it avoids unneeded escalation while shows the strength, but how do you cut off a few hundred troops less than a km deep into Iraq? Especially that you don't want to start shooting first.

Can you lay a minefield from the air? This is the only way I see.
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#23
Fredledingue Wrote:Palladin,
Why do you think Obama's system is not able to fight the ennemies? What has changed since Bush?
Bush decided to do nothing without dialog. Obama decided to do nothing with dialog which is not realy a difference.
Fred,

Because he has made it clear he feels the USA is on the wrong side of history in every state he visits. He befriends our enemy and berates our friends.

His enemy is the USA in case you haven't noticed,that is not our enemy.
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#24
No, Obama is the ennemy at AIJane's, not of the US. A big difference.
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#25
Let's see if he dares to mention AI Jane by name in the next SOTU.... but he is to ballless for this.
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#26
Fredledingue Wrote:No, Obama is the ennemy at AIJane's, not of the US. A big difference.
No... He doesn't mention AI-Jane when he apologizes and offers obeisance to petty dictators and zealots. Pretty sure he was talking about his country having a sad history and in need of fixing. Any groups within the country He despises, He just sics the IRS on them.
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#27
Fredledingue Wrote:No, Obama is the ennemy at AIJane's, not of the US. A big difference.

Because Obama is good and happy/hopey-feely and makes everyone, including Fred here, feel good about himself and his decision to stick by Obama's side, in addition to the utter ruin the man and Congress is working on bringing upon us.

Nothing we can say can fix this. Nothing. Fred is done. Collections for a tombstone to stick on his head in memory of his brain will be handled by JohnL and it's tax deductable. Please donate. Or his kids will starve too.
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#28
WmL Wrote:He doesn't mention AI-Jane when he apologizes and offers obeisance to petty dictators and zealots,
When did Obama apologized to GOP members and other neo-cons?

And yes, after Bush, a few things needed fixing with and in the US. But O' and the US never bent to anyone.
O' just sent 30,000 more troops and demanded harsher sanctions against Iran.
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#29
Fredledingue Wrote:
WmL Wrote:He doesn't mention AI-Jane when he apologizes and offers obeisance to petty dictators and zealots,
When did Obama apologized to GOP members and other neo-cons?

And yes, after Bush, a few things needed fixing with and in the US. But O' and the US never bent to anyone.
O' just sent 30,000 more troops and demanded harsher sanctions against Iran.

Don't forget the fact that the deadline for compliance by Iran has passed without a whimper.
Jefferson: I place economy among the first and important virtues, and public debt as the greatest of dangers. To preserve our independence, we must not let our rulers load us with perpetual debt. We must make our choice between economy and liberty, or profusion and servitude. If we can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of caring for them, they will be happy.
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#30
Don't let this upset you!

I'm sure the boy can be teleprompted into announcing another deadline. Wink1
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#31
And if they don't take heed of this next deadline, he is Really, Really, Really, going to get mad at them. He may not even talk to them for a week or two. Wink1
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#32
Past the deadline O' demanded harsher sanction. Not his fault nor his responsability if Russia and China don't apply them.
So yes, the deadline passed without a reaction from Russia and China. What a shame.
O' may stop talkng to Putin and Hu for a week or two, I'm afraid.
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#33
...ledingue, don't forget that the US pushed the "reset button" with Russia, so that the US and Ru should have been one be happy family by now.

It matters not that Ru and China don't go along, it matters that BHO's threats are seen by all as mere vapor. He promises what he cannot deliver.
Jefferson: I place economy among the first and important virtues, and public debt as the greatest of dangers. To preserve our independence, we must not let our rulers load us with perpetual debt. We must make our choice between economy and liberty, or profusion and servitude. If we can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of caring for them, they will be happy.
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#34
Obama never promised anything. He only offered Iran a oportunity for dialog. Iran doesn't want to talk, O's role stops there.

O' has not particular involvement or responsability in this story.
He also never said that this dialog offer would be fruitful.
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#35
Obama definitely insinuated that the entire Bush-Condoleezza Rice approach was ill-considered and sophomorish - and that He would bring intelligence and rectitude to future negotiations. If he did not say it directly - he meant to say that his approach would rebuild the image of the U.S. as a mean, imperialistic power, into the nation that other nation-states would want to align themselves with for the greater good of all mankind.

His reaction in international politics is much the same as everything else: once his schoolboy approaches are shown to be tired imitations of earlier failed efforts, he blames the whole thing on Bush, and reserves the right to try failed policy over and over until the definition of insanity gets him impeached.

Perhaps he can repeat 1979 and stand paralyzed in the Oval Office while the world steals a march on the country.
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#36
Fredledingue Wrote:Obama never promised anything. He only offered Iran a oportunity for dialog. Iran doesn't want to talk, O's role stops there.

I was under impression that obama's role is protecting the interests of the country for the duration of his term. If his dialog approach failed, he has two options: come up with something better, or indeed stop his role playing: resign.
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#37
mv Wrote:
Fredledingue Wrote:Obama never promised anything. He only offered Iran a oportunity for dialog. Iran doesn't want to talk, O's role stops there.

I was under impression that obama's role is protecting the interests of the country for the duration of his term. If his dialog approach failed, he has two options: come up with something better, or indeed stop his role playing: resign.

It might be like Dungeons and Dragons to him or perhaps a Chicago hood version of "Thugs and Gangstas", only in this current game, the stakes are bit higher.
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