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Republicans can win big in 2010 and 2012
#21
John, I'm still waiting for your strategy. You said you are waiting for them to come to you. I said that is the designed strategy of Democrats, to get people like you to feel hurt and mortally wounded by those who are similar, but not identical to you.

I understand the circumstances. I understand Gingrich hurting Gingrich - a feat no Democrat has every accomplished, from Chappaquiddick on down, BTW, which proves my POV. I understand the grievances, but I want to know what is the best strategy to support our Constitutionally-limited Republic? Saying that the GOP and the Democrats are the same is ridiculous. That is the strategy of the Democrats.

My push has allows been at grass-roots local elections, and identifying strong candidates, and promoting them to higher levels. It is hard work, and often frustrated by those who occupy coveted positions, with all the advantages that accrue with their longevity.

Targeting the McCains and Lindsey Grahams may insult those who are already safely ensconced at the top, but do more to the aspiring beginners by denying them a pool of voters. These voters greatly outnumber the minority who long ago learned to set aside specific indulgences to gain systemic power, at which time they divvy up the lucre, and laugh at the rest of us.

I just don't know how to reap the majority support when they are at each others' throats.
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#22
mv Wrote:Not afraid of McLame?

I think you should be. He is getting active again and triangulating himself to the right. Maybe it is about the reelection to the Senate ... but I fear it is about his "deserved" presidency.

Oh, good lord!! Is he up for reelection again? And isn't there someone, who can challenge him?
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#23
Here is more interesting news about the distribution of political philosophies in the US these days. This is from a recent Gallup poll.

Conservatives Finish 2009 as No. 1 Ideological Group
Jefferson: I place economy among the first and important virtues, and public debt as the greatest of dangers. To preserve our independence, we must not let our rulers load us with perpetual debt. We must make our choice between economy and liberty, or profusion and servitude. If we can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of caring for them, they will be happy.
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#24
Probably the most dis-organized group, too.
I know you think you understand what you thought I said,
but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant!
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#25
I've been thinking strategy. (Someone should hire me to do for us, what Carville does for the Dems.)

One of the most successful results from the Democrat think tanks has been regimen. An idea is thought of and tested, and upon some focus group responding well to it, is instantly distributed to all its members and put in play instantly. It is not piece-meal either... when the word goes out - every Democrat uses it. On Sunday mornings, you can watch any show and see the identical phraseology used by all the Democrats on every show. Doesn't matter the specific goals of that Democrat - the regimen is employed exactly as prescribed and repeated verbatim.

My idea:

Since Liberals have only an 11% favorability rating, with Conservatives at the highest level and moderates slightly below, the Democrats have rejected the label and attached the "Progressive" label to themselves. I think this label can be used in exactly the same way that their focus groups test words and phrases for use.

The name "Stalin" should be used in the same sentence as "Progressive," hopefully within one or two words, so it is hard for MSNBC soundbytes to Edit it out. More, the history of the term must be discussed pedantically, until the networks get annoyed by its constant insertion in every statement. The lecture should allude to FDR's "fellow travelers" who visited Stalin and got sucked into his Socialist "Progressive" message, and how they totally accepted all of Stalin's principles - except for the single idea that they would be in charge - not Stalin.

The idea that the term is always connected to Stalin is what is important. McCain and others who like Teddy Roosevelt must be pulled up short and be explained to that the FDR fellow travelers used Teddy Roosevelt's "Progressive" label because it was the closest thing to government uber alles and central planning that they could use without being accused of being Communists. The difference is not that they lauded Stalin's Communism as the penultimate goal - but that they didn't want Stalin in charge, but them: the FDR "Brain Trust."

This strategy does two things. It defines the Liberal/Progressive agenda accurately, and it takes away the camouflage.
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#26
Bill, I don't think most people realize what a monster and mass murderer Stalin was. If I am right, your ploy will just confuse them.

My advice would be to stick to advocating small government, fiscal integrity, strong national defense, more personal freedom (less bureaucratic intrusion etc), play up the value of individuals and a sensible free market system. I would downplay abortion, gay rights and other social issues because most people know where they stand on these issues and it is unlikely anyone will change their mind. (There is no sense loosing a good libertarian or fiscal conservative by asking them to swallow too much.) Immigration is another hot button, but I would play it as desirable as long is it is legal and enforced. However, no amnesty, just duck that issue.

In addition, the Republicans do need to have a "health care plan" of some kind, and a rational for it, since it has been made into a troubling issue. Whether "health care" is a right has to be discussed and resolved in a negative way by strong understandable arguments. This can be avoided only if the reaction against the new soon to be passed bill is extensive and lasting, which will not be known until next August (say).
Jefferson: I place economy among the first and important virtues, and public debt as the greatest of dangers. To preserve our independence, we must not let our rulers load us with perpetual debt. We must make our choice between economy and liberty, or profusion and servitude. If we can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of caring for them, they will be happy.
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#27
Nah...

If people don't know who Stalin was, then why should they have a clue what small government or fiscal responsibility means? Things must be redefined constantly to stay in the public psyche. If they don't know about Stalin, the constant repetition may help to smarten them up. Taking away the term "Progressive" as a laudable label is well worth the effort. Even an argument that doing so is misleading is useful, because the process will educate the Jay Leno Allstars. For a "Progressive" to defend the position, that person will need to discuss why Stalin does not apply - which is damn hard to do.

Also - GOP do not need a health care plan. They need to fight to get government out of health care so it can operate more effectively and cheaper. Keep pushing tort reform - that affects health care but is not health care. Keep pushing cross-state insurance and catastrophic coverage when needed - but don't make it a system - just make it available for the free-market system.
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#28
Stalin killed five times as many people as Hitler. He was not nearly as villified, though, because many of the political leaders in our country then were socialistic in their leanings, and suspected that communism might ultimately win out. In fact, when FDR met with Stalin, he virtually gave the communist tyrant Eastern Europe. But that ultimately turned out for the best--now the vast majority of people in Eastern Europe know from experience what a dismal failure communism is after three generations of suffering through its enforced poverty and nightmarish attempts at thought control.
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#29
Ron Lambert Wrote:Stalin killed five times as many people as Hitler. He was not nearly as villified, though, because many of the political leaders in our country then were socialistic in their leanings, and suspected that communism might ultimately win out. In fact, when FDR met with Stalin, he virtually gave the communist tyrant Eastern Europe. But that ultimately turned out for the best--now the vast majority of people in Eastern Europe know from experience what a dismal failure communism is after three generations of suffering through its enforced poverty and nightmarish attempts at thought control.

Of course Ron. But Hitler lost, and Stalin won. AND Hitler's folks kept meticulous records. Stalin's folks just used trench diggers, and shovels. Wink1
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#30
WmLambert Wrote:Also - GOP do not need a health care plan. They need to fight to get government out of health care so it can operate more effectively and cheaper. Keep pushing tort reform - that affects health care but is not health care. Keep pushing cross-state insurance and catastrophic coverage when needed - but don't make it a system - just make it available for the free-market system.

Saying that is a plan. They must also argue how it will make health care better and cheaper. Constant accusations by the Democrats about the S&G's having no health plan will win over some idiot voters. This has to be countered. One cannot be laissez faire about this, a philosophy is needed.
Jefferson: I place economy among the first and important virtues, and public debt as the greatest of dangers. To preserve our independence, we must not let our rulers load us with perpetual debt. We must make our choice between economy and liberty, or profusion and servitude. If we can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of caring for them, they will be happy.
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#31
Steyn was right about this.

Now that health care has become a huge issue with the ball in leftist courts, the right will have argue on their terms and beat them at their own game. Sounds good, but in the end, they will do their best to try and improve it or something.

Long story short, we've crossed the rubicon and it will be hard for a truly right person to be elected, and hard to debate the points.
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#32
5th Congressional Rodent Retires.
Sanders 2020

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#33
I feel like if the Republicans win in 2010 and/or 2012 it's because the Democrats, in the national arena, look worse by comparison... just like the Democrats won in 2006 and 2008.

This roller coaster is nauseating...
Either you repeat the same conventional doctrines everybody is saying, or else you say something true, and it will sound like its from Neptune.
- Noam Chomsky

... you can almost see the high water mark - that place where the wave finally broke and rolled back.
- Hunter S. Thompson
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#34
Absolutely true. S4

There is also no evidence that the republicans learned the lessons, so in 2016 the rats may again look like the lesser evil.
Sanders 2020

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#35
I don't think they have learned their lessons either. Hey, they are Stupid, right? Annnnnnd, Gutless to boot.

I'm sorry folks, but I have absolutely lost any faith in the GOP. The leadership is made up of Idiots, who haven't a clue as to what the party membership wishes. Hell, they can't even follow their own plank, which is supposed to be their own road map to success.

So, why don't the rank and file just kick them out? They really should. Just look at the RNC head. And I am not opposed to him because is is a man of colour either. I kept my eye on him, early on, and immediately saw that he is the typical DC establishment type. In other words, Worthless.

I still contend that only a once yearly "cull" hunt, for All politicians and bureaucrats, will put the fear of G-d into them, and make it unhealthy to seek power over the citizens. Of course, I always hold out the thought that some terrorist will pop off a nuke over the DC area, and do the country a huge favour. Perhaps I am hoping for too much. S4
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