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CRU hacked: Climategate?
As far as I know, the only decent way to harvest C from CO2 is to have plants do it for you. Trees work too, many were cut down and burned to make charcoal in the civil war days (the heat from the burning trees carbonized the others). So trees and switch grass etc. will do, but it takes time. Chlorophyll and sunlight in action. Perhaps another catalyst can be found besides chlorophyll, but energy (sunlight in the case of plants) must be supplied in tandem with the catalyst.

I am not a chemist, but surely the energy of combining C and O2 is known, and it is the same energy that is required to separate the two. You can't get something for nothing.





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NASA blows... S6
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(07-28-2011, 02:18 PM)mv Wrote: NASA blows... S6

One thing to keep in mind is that this report is coming from Huntsville, via Dr. Roy Spencer. Dr James Hansen, and his minions, are at Goddard, which is in Maryland, and far closer to DC. You can bet that Goddard will do it's utmost to discredit the Huntsville guys.

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Seems like a simple temperature measurement would be difficult to disprove. All he's saying is the temps are increasing beyond our atmosphere way more than within it.
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(07-28-2011, 03:40 PM)Palladin Wrote: Seems like a simple temperature measurement would be difficult to disprove. All he's saying is the temps are increasing beyond our atmosphere way more than within it.

Patrick, 'seems like a simple' thing to expect I'm sure. But that is not how this thing works. We are dealing with bureaucrats, politicians, journalists, and clever scientists scamming the money pit. This is to be expected.

And who cares about someone like the Roy Spencers of the world, there's money, prestige, and power to be had here. Nothing else matters.

Just look at my earlier post about the former speaker and head goat. You would think she would not be allowed to get away with such manure, but she does...................every day.

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Ah, good old (literally) Dr. Spencer. A tough nut, a creative mind.
Jefferson: I place economy among the first and important virtues, and public debt as the greatest of dangers. To preserve our independence, we must not let our rulers load us with perpetual debt. We must make our choice between economy and liberty, or profusion and servitude. If we can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of caring for them, they will be happy.
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From Dr. Spenser himself,

Our Feedback Diagnosis Paper is Published Today

and his earlier announcement:

Our Refutation of Dessler (2010) is Accepted for Publication

I am sure BUZZ can explain to us,why Models are better than empirical data.

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Just who are the warmist experts?

Check this: http://www.thenewamerican.com/tech-mainm...te-studies

Laugh S6 or cry S7 ?
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It is not uncommon for distinguished researchers to use grad students to do the grunt work for a paper. Presumably the "distinguished researcher" would edit heavily before signing on. In any event, the burden is on the D.R.
Jefferson: I place economy among the first and important virtues, and public debt as the greatest of dangers. To preserve our independence, we must not let our rulers load us with perpetual debt. We must make our choice between economy and liberty, or profusion and servitude. If we can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of caring for them, they will be happy.
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(11-10-2011, 06:12 PM)jt Wrote: It is not uncommon for distinguished researchers to use grad students to do the grunt work for a paper.

Yes, and I've seen a plenty of examples when this is healthy and when this is far from it (modern day slavery etc). I even know a guy -- pretty good and pretty distinguished -- who was asked to resign over overuse and not crediting of students.
What seems to be happening with the climate is more than an isolated misconduct: the picture is of massive molding of "experts" out of undereducated people.


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Gee mv, if one is a warmist, any "expert" will do, grad student or PhD has been on up. Haven't we learned this by now?

Decent folks, in science at least, credit the grad student work, even though their name may lead the (often long) list of researchers. I have no idea what the norm is in the soft "sciences".
Jefferson: I place economy among the first and important virtues, and public debt as the greatest of dangers. To preserve our independence, we must not let our rulers load us with perpetual debt. We must make our choice between economy and liberty, or profusion and servitude. If we can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of caring for them, they will be happy.
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Meanwhile, treacherous Canadians stub the Cause in the back.
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(11-28-2011, 02:22 PM)mv Wrote: Meanwhile, treacherous Canadians stub the Cause in the back.

That fits with Canada's desire to be a major oil producer from their tar sands.
Jefferson: I place economy among the first and important virtues, and public debt as the greatest of dangers. To preserve our independence, we must not let our rulers load us with perpetual debt. We must make our choice between economy and liberty, or profusion and servitude. If we can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of caring for them, they will be happy.
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Perhaps we will wind up being the only oil/gas rich country which continued to play along with this folly(Kyoto)? Will we finally get tired of being the only one playing along and go back to business as usual? Can a Jackass become a horse? Do Dumbasses suddenly get wise?
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