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The Anti-Climate Alarmist Revolt is On!
#41
Your last sentence is Right-On. They will not argue the validy of the Milankovitch cycle theory, dealing with long term ice age cycles, because that is beyond heir intellectual pay grade. However, they will cry bloody murder, when someone theorizes that there are influences, which cause sunspots to wain, leading to warmer and cooler cycles in historic times.

It just doesn't fit within their orverriding need for the State to solve all of their problems. Fortunately, the truth comes out, no matter how much they attempt to hide the skew the facts.

And meanwhile, following one little sunspot blip, preceeded by 55 days of zero sunspots, the sun is once again totally tranquil.
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#42
Here is another heretic, but this time it is an Australian senator, who is the leader of the Family First Party. When he started asking logical and pointed questions, the AGWers stopped talking to him, including Algore, who avoided his questions. The numbers just keep growing.
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#43
From the article:
Quote:Around three months ago one of my advisors pulled me aside and asked me what I thought was driving climate change. I smiled and said automatically that it was obviously a result of increasing carbon dioxide emissions.

I had never really looked at the science and just assumed what was reported in the media to be true.

I think he is just one of many who is assuming "what was reported in the media to be true", but is learning otherwise - and not just in the global warming situation, either.
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#44
JohnWho Wrote:From the article:
Quote:Around three months ago one of my advisors pulled me aside and asked me what I thought was driving climate change. I smiled and said automatically that it was obviously a result of increasing carbon dioxide emissions.

I had never really looked at the science and just assumed what was reported in the media to be true.

I think he is just one of many who is assuming "what was reported in the media to be true", but is learning otherwise - and not just in the global warming situation, either.

It's enlightening to see just how little most people know about the AGW issue. They have so much on their plate, that they just naturally assume the pundits right and that we are in trouble.

When most of them find out the real truth, my guess is that most tend to get mad, because people don't like being made a fool. This is why the kook really don't stand a chance in the long run. I know, when it dawned on me, in the mid 90s, I was outraged for having been duped for the few years I believed that crap.
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#45
Here's something to throw into the mix from the current issue of Science:

Cycling Around


CREDIT: FRANKENBERG ET AL.

Water vapor is the most important greenhouse gas, and clouds are one of the most important components of climate, but the global hydrological cycle is still poorly-enough understood that the atmospheric cycling of water and cloud formation are inadequately represented in global climate models. As the transformation from liquid into vapor tends to deplete water of the isotope deuterium, Frankenberg et al. (p. 1374) were able to use satellite measurements of global "heavy" water abundances to provide a deeper understanding of atmospheric water dynamics.
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#46
Interesting. I never considered 'heavy' water in this.

How about a link to it?
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#47
Cycling Around

Science 11 September 2009 325: 1315 [DOI: 10.1126/science.325_1315h] (in This Week in Science)

......Science ATMOS Cycling Around CREDIT: FRANKENBERG ET AL. Water vapor is the most important greenhouse...tends to deplete water of the isotope deuterium, Frankenberg et al. (p. 1374 ) were able to use satellite measurements......
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http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/search?src...submit.y=1
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#48
One of the AGW Believer's agrument is that what warmth shows up on the northern hemisphere, may not be the same in the southern hemisphere. In other words, just because Younger Dryas affected Europe, does not mean it affected the rest of the globe.

Well, this has been pretty much debunked.

Quote:Holocene Glacier Fluctuations in the Peruvian Andes Indicate Northern Climate Linkages
Joseph M. Licciardi, Joerg M. Schaefer, Jean R. Taggart, David C. Lund

The role of the tropics in triggering, transmitting, and amplifying interhemispheric climate signals remains a key debate in paleoclimatology. Tropical glacier fluctuations provide important insight on regional paleoclimatic trends and forcings, but robust chronologies are scarce. Here, we report precise moraine ages from the Cordillera Vilcabamba (13°20'S) of southern Peru that indicate prominent glacial events and associated climatic shifts in the outer tropics during the early Holocene and late in the "Little Ice Age" period. Our glacier chronologies differ from the New Zealand record but are broadly correlative with well-dated glacial records in Europe, suggesting climate linkages between the tropics and the North Atlantic region.

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#49
Carbon Dioxide Doesn't Cause Global Warming ???
Sanders 2020

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#50
Warming is caused by solar energy? Get outta here! Pure nonsense!
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#51
And as usual, no sunspots. We have had only three tiny sunspots, two together, in the last 2.5 months. Amazing! We are already headed for a cooler winter, and it will only get colder. Anyone, with half a brain should be able to add the numbers together, after this winter.
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#52
What happened to global warming?

I'm shocked. A relatively honest appraisal from BBC. The steamroller is running out of steam, possibly.

Worth a read.
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#53
jt Wrote:What happened to global warming?

I'm shocked. A relatively honest appraisal from BBC. The steamroller is running out of steam, possibly.

Worth a read.

Quote:But one solar scientist Piers Corbyn from Weatheraction, a company specialising in long range weather forecasting, disagrees.

He claims that solar charged particles impact us far more than is currently accepted, so much so he says that they are almost entirely responsible for what happens to global temperatures.

He is so excited by what he has discovered that he plans to tell the international scientific community at a conference in London at the end of the month.

If proved correct, this could revolutionise the whole subject.

What is most interesting is that this has been already reported before. The charged particles envelope the magnasphere, and deflect cosmic rays, which would normally enter the planet's atmosphere, exciting water molecules, as they passed through, and causing the formation of low level clouds. And low level clouds keep the sun's rays from striking the ground, thus reflecting heat back outward.

And these people act as though this is a new revelation. but they naturally follow the AGW Kooks, and UN, who have laughed at this. Fortunately, now they are finally paying attention.

Welcome To The Party Pal!!
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#54
Well, at least the article gives us an estimate of the time it takes for an idea to soak into BBC's awareness. And the happy news that they are no longer denying these ideas.
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#55
jt Wrote:Well, at least the article gives us an estimate of the time it takes for an idea to soak into BBC's awareness. And the happy news that they are no longer denying these ideas.

Perhaps so. However, do not expect them to add the numbers correctly. My guess is that they will attempt to 'reason?' AGW and the coming cooling, and do their best to tie the two together. In other words, we have global cooling because of global warming. Logic is not important, because they are first and foremost journalists, which does not give them much intellectual credit.
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#56
The Warmers are all over this already with the "nah nah... 10 years of cooling means nothing. It just means it'll be even WARMER when the warming comes back!"

No matter WHAT happens, it's evidence to their side. Ya gotta have Faith.
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Pixiest Wrote:The Warmers are all over this already with the "nah nah... 10 years of cooling means nothing. It just means it'll be even WARMER when the warming comes back!"

No matter WHAT happens, it's evidence to their side. Ya gotta have Faith.

The saving grace is that there are only a few of these vocal kooks. And most of the citizenry relies upon actual occurrences. After having to live through several worsening winters, and a few summers, that are not like anything they are accustomed, the Kooks can shout all they wish. It won't work. Most of us will not be enticed into the Church of Environmentalism/Global Warming. Wink1
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#58
We could use a few more of these:

Western MT cold breaks records

Quote:We haven't just set knew records, we've blown them out of the water. The lowes have been 10, 11 and 8 the last three mornings in Missoula, and we've gone at least nine degrees lower than the old record each morning.
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A record low of 8 degrees was set at the Missoula Airport on Monday morning, breaking the old record of 22, which was set in 2002.

Meanwhile, Kalispell say a very cold 2 degrees, breaking the record of 14, set back in 2002.

Not to be left out, Butte checked in with a record low temperature for October 12th of 6 degrees, breaking the old record of 10 which was set in 2008.

Record low temps were set around Montana on Monday morning. In Billings, the mercury dipped to 14 degrees on Sunday, breaking the 1959 record of 22 degrees.

On Monday morning, the National Weather Service reported the temp had fallen to 13, breaking the old mark of 22 degrees set in 1969. But weather officials warm the thermometer could drop even further in the Magic City.

However, forecasters are predicting a mild winter for the NE. Heating oil is cheap.
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#59
And this is just the beginning. Hang on tightly!

BTY, yesterday we had a tiny sunspot, struggling to grow, but alas, it died before it could become an adult.

However, far more sinister than any global warming, or cooling, we had a small asteroid explode over Lake Ontario night before last. Had it been..........well read here.

Quote:BLINDING FIREBALL: On Friday night Sept. 25th, at approximately 9:03 pm EDT, an asteroid the size of a child's tricycle hit Earth just above Lake Ontario. It was a lucky strike, right in the middle of a network of seven all-sky cameras operated by the University of Western Ontario (UWO). The disintegrating asteroid produced a blinding fireball 100 times brighter than a full Moon. Click on the image to view a movie from the Hamilton, Ontario, station:

Check it out, and imagine it being larger. Tunguska anyone?

The asteroid exploded in flight, producing strong low-frequency sound waves in the atmosphere. Analysis of infrasound records along with video from the seven camera stations lead researchers to believe that fragments of the asteroid could have reached the ground. "This bright fireball was large enough to have dropped meteorites in a region south of Grimsby on the Niagara Peninsula, providing masses that may total as much as several kilograms," according to a UWO press release.

Researchers at Western Ontario are interested in hearing from anyone within 10 km of Grimsby who may have witnessed or recorded the fireball, seen or heard unusual events at the time, or who may have found possible fragments of the freshly fallen meteorite. Meteorite-hunting tips and more video may be found here.

And on October 8th, 2001 CV26, which is 2.2 kilometers in diameter, passed within 9.8 lunar distances from planet earth. That's quite close, don't you think? Imagine what would happen to all this AGW angst, had it entered earth's atmosphere and either exploded or struck the surface of the planet? Scary huh?
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#60
That same cold blast in Montana,also hit my area of Kennewick Washington,smashing the old record low temperature by 7 degrees 2 mornings ago,as it was only 19 degrees.The average low at this time is in the upper 40's.

Today the high stayed below 50 degrees,while the average high for the date is 69 degrees.
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