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Now, this is a stretch
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Obama tells pope he wants to reduce abortions in U.S.

And this is the guy that voted twice to allow abortion doctors to put babies who survived abortion to death by putting them on a shelf and letting them die.

I wonder what the feminists will say?

And then there is this, for the background on the left's philosophy of abortion, which probably BHO shares. Shades of the 1930's! In the article, Ginsburg admits rich women can always get abortions, so, is she suggesting that poor folks populations must be controlled?

Justice Ginsburg Says She Originally Thought Roe v. Wade Was Designed to Limit 'Populations That We Don’t Want to Have Too Many Of'
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The Leftist argument is that the fewer abortions there are, the better - but that it should be generally available.

However, many Leftist elites have publicly stated genocide of the riff-raff is a good thing.
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WmLambert Wrote:The Leftist argument is that the fewer abortions there are, the better - but that it should be generally available.


However, many Leftist elites have publicly stated genocide of the riff-raff is a good thing.

I think the bolded part is what most or at least many people, regardless of whenever they're leftists or not, agrees with.

Being pro-choice necessarily doesn't mean that they want women go to though a lot of abortions.

In fact, many pro-choice women choose to have children rather than go though an abortion.
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#4
Yea, that's nice and I hope they feel even better about themselves that they were so generous to really give life to someone when they could have destroyed it.

Anyways, Jt and Wm hit it - abortion is eugenics of the poverty stricken pore & starvin' - just look at crime rate patterns and the onset of abortion.

I am sure many people see it that way - though I am sure they don't realize the implications of it.

"Well, it (since he or she is too good) would just be brought up in a bad home and become a criminal or up to no good" and what's great, is that they will say it like it's such a great thing that we killed someone off because they might not make the grade.

That is the big moral question, and Obama steers through this one with some good ol' duplicity and outright malice aforethought.

The Pope (I wouldn't lie to the Pope, though I am not a Catholic nor care much for his religious significance) gets told he wants to reduce abortions. Note that he 'wants' to, rather than the more definate 'will', and that anything possible might be pretty limited according to Obama. The Pope will not take it at face value if he is as smart I am sure he is.

He just appeased the religious types who want to feel good they're liberal, and the abortion/death/genocidal crowd at the same time. Good job, he managed to buffalo most of America, and he'll continue buffaloing the dunces he has in his base, which are dunces anyhow because they voted for him.
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I am going to give him credit on his Ghana stop and speech. It was very objective and accurate,positive view of African polity. I share his views entirely and appreciate his attitude.

Good things are happening in Africa guys,I think a generation from now the outlook there will be much more positive in many areas. For the next generations,it would be great if most trade to and from Africa were with the next USA generations. There is no logic to thinking Africans are just endemically stupid and deserving of poor governance.

The Africans I know personally are way smarter than I am by light years(well,so is a average retard,but,that's beside the point).

His comments to the Pope are just nonsense as he has made abortion more likely globally with his policies. Listen to Justice Ginsberg's recent comments,the intellectual left is serious about population control not way different than the eugenics movement was,only today the left has dropped the racial aspects out. They're cool with with all races,as long as most of them are dead and they can live comfortably in their dreamed up world.
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#6
The residents of a padded cell drivel, and only nurse Aurora tries to inject some sanity, I see. Would you tell a girl who knows she can't afford to bring up a baby, and give it the love it deserves, that she's about to commit a genocide, and worse, instrumental in a liberal plot lead by Obama to establish a new world order that resurrects the anti-christ? What is the truth is that the nazis, the cutting edge of the right wing, have always been the cutting edge of abortion bans, and hide now behind a religious smoke screen.

WmLambert, I believe you miscomprehend who is regarded as riff-raff by the left. :lol:
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quadrat Wrote:The residents of a padded cell drivel, and only nurse Aurora tries to inject some sanity, I see.

You don't see much. I'm sure she means well, but mushy-everyone-is-nice-somehow isn't brass tacks.

Quote:Would you tell a girl who knows she can't afford to bring up a baby, and give it the love it deserves, that she's about to commit a genocide, and worse, instrumental in a liberal plot lead by Obama to establish a new world order that resurrects the anti-christ?

No, I would tell her she is a fool for getting pregnant in the first place and that there is adoption options. You forgot that though when you tried to make us out to be fools, good job, you failed.

Quote: What is the truth is that the nazis, the cutting edge of the right wing, have always been the cutting edge of abortion bans, and hide now behind a religious smoke screen.

.......and you need some more LSD.
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Does it upset you to be exposed as a nazi? They also justified their brutal crackdown on abortions as protection of human life, and like in your ideology, this protection ended with the birth. Honestly, wouldn't you say that in the case of Hitler, that wasn't about life protection, but control of the nazis over the individual? I agree.
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quadrat Wrote:Does it upset you to be exposed as a nazi? They also justified their brutal crackdown on abortions as protection of human life, and like in your ideology, this protection ended with the birth. Honestly, wouldn't you say that in the case of Hitler, that wasn't about life protection, but control of the nazis over the individual? I agree.

You're a trip buddy. I am so glad Sherlock Holmes here was on the case, or else I could have stayed in hiding to influence a tyrannical society with those damn jews.
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#10
Quad,

I'd tell my own daughter avoiding getting pregnant would be the sharpest move. If she got pg and didn't want the kid,I'd not violently oppose her getting an abortion.

That has nothing to do with the Obama question here,he's using our money to fund abortions overseas and that's not authorized by myself and I doubt hardly anyone here likes that. Since he is,it is dishonest to say what he did to the Pope.
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#11
Did you protest when Bush used your taxmoney to crack down on abortions overseas? Do not pretend Obama is promoting abortions, they happen anyway. It's a humanitarian thing to provide abortions in a safe environment, instead of having them performed by the plumber-abortionist in a filthy hut, and a fatality rate of 25% of the mothers. These are the lives that must be protected first. What becomes of the kids this mother had before?

We ha a good system in DDR. Every girl aged 14 had to go to a gynecologist and got the pills for free. Teen pregnancies were rare, and so were abortions.
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#12
I mainly disagree with the idea of our presidents using our tax money for anything overseas, whenever it be cracking down against on abortions or funding abortions.

The whole point of tax money to me... is so that it can actually go towards useful things Americans can use IN THIS COUNTRY. What use is it for us if it goes towards people that isn't even a citizen of the united states?

I know the whole world sometimes sees the USA as this superpower who can do everything... and that they expect us to be like superman-- saving every man and woman in distress out there etc. But the truth is, We can't do everything... espeically funding movements that cracks down on abortions or whatever.

We need to take care of our own shit at home first before we can take care of others' shit. Of course, if we do that, then the world will just bitch about us and make us scapegoats for their problems just like they do already.
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#13
I don't think charity is on Obama's agenda. It's about bettering the climate for the usual business, such as selling weapons to those nations that get helped with abortions. For the sterner measures of population growth control. Or 'we solve your abortion problem if Texaco gets this oil contract'.
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#14
Quad,

Obama and the left believe birth control is a big part of the overall program to improve earth for humanity. Controlling live births in Africa to him is as big as it is here.

They are the intellectual heirs of Margaret Sanger,they've just polished the racism off the intellectual tu.rd she laid is all. Gotta be politically correct,this is 2009.

Again,Obama lied to the Pope. That was all we're saying here. The Pope and Obama kknow he lied,they are just playing nicey nice.
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#15
If you will note, the pseudo-science of Eugenics has always been pushed by the Elite intelligencia, and the Left.

And note that abortion on cue is just another means of eliminating the unwanted in society.

Can you see a connection here?
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quadrat Wrote:I don't think charity is on Obama's agenda. It's about bettering the climate for the usual business, such as selling weapons to those nations that get helped with abortions. For the sterner measures of population growth control. Or 'we solve your abortion problem if Texaco gets this oil contract'.

Classic Quadrat. Impeccable. Ingenious. A potpourri of red herrings.
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#17
Thank you. I know my limits however. The beauty and razor sharp reasoning of this
Quote:And this is the guy that voted twice to allow abortion doctors to put babies who survived abortion to death by putting them on a shelf and letting them die.
is way beyond my abilities.
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quadrat Wrote:Thank you. I know my limits however. The beauty and razor sharp reasoning of this
Quote:And this is the guy that voted twice to allow abortion doctors to put babies who survived abortion to death by putting them on a shelf and letting them die.
is way beyond my abilities.
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Wow, you told me the unvarnished truth. Are you not proud that you master your native language, and I do not? Well, please note the term 'baby' is used in English for viable human beings born as the result of a successfull pregnancy. What is aborted are 'embryos', which are not yet viable, and have not yet conscience.
I don't know how you handle this in America, abortions in Germany are only legal w/i the first 12 weeks of pregnancy. That's not babies yet. Later only, if severe deformations of the fetus are diagnosed.
Beyond the 12th week there must be no abortion of a healthy fetus, indeed. That is murder of conscious human life.
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