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What if they threw an infomercial and no one tuned in?
#21
Palladin Wrote:BTW,I don't see Obama as even Lenin. He's a power hungry dude,but,he's of our tradition. Just the worst part of it.

I'd compare him to a mini Chavez mentality,but,he isn't capable yet of closing down opponent's radio stations,TV,etc. They're working on it. "Fairness Doctrine".

I said Lenin because I doubt he has the bloodlust of a Stalin ... or a Chavez for that matter. And I doubt that he has much in the way of balls. God help us if we were serously threatened. May I be struck down dead, but if the sh*t really hit the fan we really would have been ALOT better off if Hillary had won the primary. The down side is that she probably does have the balls to do the really nasty crap that is necessary to stay in power. Smart fish! Notice how she's pretty much been invisible during the Iran upheaval? I doubt that she broke her arm on purpose ... but if she did, that kind of commitment is damned impressive eh? :twisted:
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#22
the word is that HRC has been effectively "laterally promoted to nothingness" as Secretary of State. Sucker?

And, I don't believe for a minute that she is "tough". You have to show me some behavior that validates such a characterization.
Jefferson: I place economy among the first and important virtues, and public debt as the greatest of dangers. To preserve our independence, we must not let our rulers load us with perpetual debt. We must make our choice between economy and liberty, or profusion and servitude. If we can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of caring for them, they will be happy.
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jt Wrote:the word is that HRC has been effectively "laterally promoted to nothingness" as Secretary of State. Sucker?

And, I don't believe for a minute that she is "tough". You have to show me some behavior that validates such a characterization.

Sec. State is a fairly powerful resume builder. But she's got to be slippery enough to disassociate herself with any really colossal failures. But when it comes to this administration's foreign policy, that's probably a bridge too far. If things get too bad or it looks like she's near getting tagged with some spectacular failure I expect her to disagree with the President when he makes a particularly bad decision and then resign. Hillary is NOT somebody that is going to take a fall for the boss.

The "tough" part has to do with the ability to take risks to achieve a desired outcome. Leaving the Senate and putting herself in her current position was a HUGE risk. That was what I was getting at. When it comes to foreign policy, Obama is the most risk averse President in recent history. For all the bluster regarding Gitmo and Iraq, he's ultimately adopted George Bush's policies in toto. This President has clearly signaled that he has absolutely no intention of making decisions until he "knows what the outcome is". How do you suppose he'll react in a real crisis without the luxury of letting the game play out before anteing up?
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#24
mr_yak Wrote:
WmLambert Wrote:In Michigan, we had The Obamafest on ABC at the same time as the Freedom Festival Fireworks on NBC and when the Tigers were playing on Fox sports. I doubt anyone watched it. At least no one bought the hymnals.

It bombed.

Yes... it bombed when you compare the number to other network ratings but 4.7 million people did watch it. And I'm pretty sure that is significantly more than were watching any of the cable news networks. So... the numbers were not huge but there were some people out there that actually wanted to hear what Obama had to say. Unlike most of you guys who only want to get your information from right wing liars.

mr_yak Wrote:And as usual, Obama's vetting department managed to overlook the trouble makers. Apparently Neurologists aren't as easily cowed as the press.

Or maybe the Obama administration isn't afraid to have a real town hall discussion and didn't try to exclude anyone who might disagree.
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jt Wrote:the word is that HRC has been effectively "laterally promoted to nothingness" as Secretary of State. Sucker?

And, I don't believe for a minute that she is "tough". You have to show me some behavior that validates such a characterization.

Throwing ashtrays at Bill count? I can verify that.
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#26
Buzz Wrote:
mr_yak Wrote:
WmLambert Wrote:In Michigan, we had The Obamafest on ABC at the same time as the Freedom Festival Fireworks on NBC and when the Tigers were playing on Fox sports. I doubt anyone watched it. At least no one bought the hymnals.

It bombed.

Yes... it bombed when you compare the number to other network ratings but 4.7 million people did watch it. And I'm pretty sure that is significantly more than were watching any of the cable news networks. So... the numbers were not huge but there were some people out there that actually wanted to hear what Obama had to say. Unlike most of you guys who only want to get your information from right wing liars.

mr_yak Wrote:And as usual, Obama's vetting department managed to overlook the trouble makers. Apparently Neurologists aren't as easily cowed as the press.

Or maybe the Obama administration isn't afraid to have a real town hall discussion and didn't try to exclude anyone who might disagree.
Yes I know, You prefer the Left Wing Liars.
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mr_yak Wrote:Sec. State is a fairly powerful resume builder. But she's got to be slippery enough to disassociate herself with any really colossal failures. But when it comes to this administration's foreign policy, that's probably a bridge too far. If things get too bad or it looks like she's near getting tagged with some spectacular failure I expect her to disagree with the President when he makes a particularly bad decision and then resign. Hillary is NOT somebody that is going to take a fall for the boss.

I would think that this Honduras mess might develop into such a situation.

According to this WSJ article, the ousting of the president there was for valid constitutional reasons.

Yet HRC and BHO disagree. Naturally they side with the statists.

I wonder if HRC is really smart enough to pull off a rift with BHO that is to her political advantage. I suppose I might be called a sexist since HRC is the smartest woman in the world. But perhaps she will do it when the approval ratings sink further.
Jefferson: I place economy among the first and important virtues, and public debt as the greatest of dangers. To preserve our independence, we must not let our rulers load us with perpetual debt. We must make our choice between economy and liberty, or profusion and servitude. If we can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of caring for them, they will be happy.
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#28
jt Wrote:According to this WSJ article, the ousting of the president there was for valid constitutional reasons.

Yet HRC and BHO disagree. Naturally they side with the statists.

I wonder if HRC is really smart enough to pull off a rift with BHO that is to her political advantage. I suppose I might be called a sexist since HRC is the smartest woman in the world. But perhaps she will do it when the approval ratings sink further.

BHO is a statist ... Constitutional Government be damned. Hillary is a Clintonist. They are different political species.

She'll pick and pull off a rift if it suits her purpose. She simply will not allow herself to be as marginalized as the Obama people hope. It's unlikely that her name would be mentioned any more if she had remained in the Senate. Regardless of how things go, she won't bail this early in the program. I would figure her to stick it out at least another year and a half or so ... unless Obama does something monumentally retarded. Unlikely, as that would require a significant deviation from Bush foreign policy ... and like I said, this Administration is risk averse.
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#29
Buzz Wrote:
mr_yak Wrote:
WmLambert Wrote:In Michigan, we had The Obamafest on ABC at the same time as the Freedom Festival Fireworks on NBC and when the Tigers were playing on Fox sports. I doubt anyone watched it. At least no one bought the hymnals.

It bombed.

Yes... it bombed when you compare the number to other network ratings but 4.7 million people did watch it. And I'm pretty sure that is significantly more than were watching any of the cable news networks. So... the numbers were not huge but there were some people out there that actually wanted to hear what Obama had to say. Unlike most of you guys who only want to get your information from right wing liars.

Get your spin straight dude! The proper spin is that he actually got better ratings than the late night comedians as his progrom droned into their time slot.

Buzz Wrote:
mr_yak Wrote:And as usual, Obama's vetting department managed to overlook the trouble makers. Apparently Neurologists aren't as easily cowed as the press.

Or maybe the Obama administration isn't afraid to have a real town hall discussion and didn't try to exclude anyone who might disagree.

Nope, I'm sticking with the vetting staff. Besides, it wasn't really necessary for the BO Administration to exclude dissent ... ABC took care of that for them ... by turning away paying customers. With a buisness plan like that it's only a matter of time until the networks get slopped at the bail out trough.

As far as I know the Neurologist didn't really disagree ... he simply asked a hard question ... and as we all know ... that's a big NO, NO with this Administration. Unfortunately, they couldn't really salt the entire audience with Huffington post staffers now could they?
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#30
mr_yak Wrote:]

BHO is a statist ... Constitutional Government be damned. Hillary is a Clintonist. They are different political species.

You should be more specific Yakster. Granted, BHO is a Statist. So is Hillary. But so is Junior. The only difference is that both BHO and Hillarey, are also Collectivists, albeit Fascists. Junior is not a Collectivist. But he is still a Statist.
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#31
eaglestrikes Wrote:
Buzz Wrote:
mr_yak Wrote:
WmLambert Wrote:In Michigan, we had The Obamafest on ABC at the same time as the Freedom Festival Fireworks on NBC and when the Tigers were playing on Fox sports. I doubt anyone watched it. At least no one bought the hymnals.

It bombed.

Yes... it bombed when you compare the number to other network ratings but 4.7 million people did watch it. And I'm pretty sure that is significantly more than were watching any of the cable news networks. So... the numbers were not huge but there were some people out there that actually wanted to hear what Obama had to say. Unlike most of you guys who only want to get your information from right wing liars.

mr_yak Wrote:And as usual, Obama's vetting department managed to overlook the trouble makers. Apparently Neurologists aren't as easily cowed as the press.

Or maybe the Obama administration isn't afraid to have a real town hall discussion and didn't try to exclude anyone who might disagree.
Yes I know, You prefer the Left Wing Liars.

No... The left wingers I listen to are not liars. The only liars I listen to are right wing ones like Limbaugh, Hannity or Levin. Getting all you information from known liars is something that you right wingers love to do. Yes... I know you guys all rationalize away all the lies coming from the right by insisting that the left does it too. But that is in itself another lie. Haven't you ever noticed that the right is always calling the left liars but you almost never see them give any examples or prove anything? Haven't you noticed that almost every thing the left accused Bush of doing the past 8 years turned out to be true? Haven't you noticed that you guys can almost never prove me wrong?

Obviously not.
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#32
mr_yak Wrote:Get your spin straight dude! The proper spin is that he actually got better ratings than the late night comedians as his progrom droned into their time slot.

That is not spin... it is another fact! Spin is like you were doing before when you were trying to make it sound like no one watched. Well... your spin has been debunked.

mr_yak Wrote:Nope, I'm sticking with the vetting staff. Besides, it wasn't really necessary for the BO Administration to exclude dissent ... ABC took care of that for them ... by turning away paying customers. With a buisness plan like that it's only a matter of time until the networks get slopped at the bail out trough.

As far as I know the Neurologist didn't really disagree ... he simply asked a hard question ... and as we all know ... that's a big NO, NO with this Administration. Unfortunately, they couldn't really salt the entire audience with Huffington post staffers now could they?

You have absolutely no evidence what so ever that there was any administration vetting staff... do you?? In a Bush town hall there would not even have been any hard questions at all because there WAS an administration vetting staff. And ABC not wanting right wing propaganda shown as a commercial during the event is not excluding dissent, it is being fair. Fair because I am pretty sure this meeting was prerecorded and it would be hard for Obama to respond to any commercials.
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#33
Buzz Wrote:No... The left wingers I listen to are not liars.

And you can tell this how - their lips aren't moving?

:lol:

Seriously, your statement gave me a good laugh this morning. You sound like the alcoholic saying "I don't have a drinking problem" or the drug addict saying "I could stop if I wanted to".

:lol:

The people you listen to don't lie, only the people that others listen to lie!

That's very funny.

:lol:
I know you think you understand what you thought I said,
but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant!
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#34
mr_yak Wrote:ABCNews is already in the crapper. Tomorrow night ABC is airing an Obama healthcare infomercial that it it appears clearly does not have any room for opposing view points. ABC has barred the opposition from even being allowed to purchase advertising time for rebuttal ... thus alienating about half their potential viewing audience in advance. I know exactly what I won't be watching tomorrow night. The only interest that I have is finding out who the advertisers are (I doubt that there will be any foolish enough to bankroll it) so that I can quit buying their products and services. If this thing gets lower ratings than the Gong Show during it's last gasps ... I'm curious how that will get spun?

This describes a propaganda organization,where journalism is barred to eplicate a agenda.
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#35
Buzz:

Quote:No... The left wingers I listen to are not liars. The only liars I listen to are right wing ones like Limbaugh, Hannity or Levin. Getting all you information from known liars is something that you right wingers love to do. Yes... I know you guys all rationalize away all the lies coming from the right by insisting that the left does it too. But that is in itself another lie. Haven't you ever noticed that the right is always calling the left liars but you almost never see them give any examples or prove anything? Haven't you noticed that almost every thing the left accused Bush of doing the past 8 years turned out to be true? Haven't you noticed that you guys can almost never prove me wrong?

I have not seen much depth from you in this thread so far,just drone about how evil half the people are and think that counts for intelligent dialogue.

Does your computer produce food pellets?
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#36
Buzz:

Quote:Yes... it bombed when you compare the number to other network ratings but 4.7 million people did watch it. And I'm pretty sure that is significantly more than were watching any of the cable news networks. So... the numbers were not huge but there were some people out there that actually wanted to hear what Obama had to say. Unlike most of you guys who only want to get your information from right wing liars.

I wonder how many of those 4.7 million viewers knew that what they watched was a deliberately orchestrated political propaganda?
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#37
Buzz Wrote:
eaglestrikes Wrote:
Buzz Wrote:
mr_yak Wrote:
WmLambert Wrote:In Michigan, we had The Obamafest on ABC at the same time as the Freedom Festival Fireworks on NBC and when the Tigers were playing on Fox sports. I doubt anyone watched it. At least no one bought the hymnals.

It bombed.

Yes... it bombed when you compare the number to other network ratings but 4.7 million people did watch it. And I'm pretty sure that is significantly more than were watching any of the cable news networks. So... the numbers were not huge but there were some people out there that actually wanted to hear what Obama had to say. Unlike most of you guys who only want to get your information from right wing liars.

mr_yak Wrote:And as usual, Obama's vetting department managed to overlook the trouble makers. Apparently Neurologists aren't as easily cowed as the press.

Or maybe the Obama administration isn't afraid to have a real town hall discussion and didn't try to exclude anyone who might disagree.
Yes I know, You prefer the Left Wing Liars.

No... The left wingers I listen to are not liars. The only liars I listen to are right wing ones like Limbaugh, Hannity or Levin. Getting all you information from known liars is something that you right wingers love to do. Yes... I know you guys all rationalize away all the lies coming from the right by insisting that the left does it too. But that is in itself another lie. Haven't you ever noticed that the right is always calling the left liars but you almost never see them give any examples or prove anything? Haven't you noticed that almost every thing the left accused Bush of doing the past 8 years turned out to be true? Haven't you noticed that you guys can almost never prove me wrong?

Obviously not.

You have been proven wrong but like all Libs you deny truth and close your eyes. A lib cannot be wrong because they are in permanent denial. If your listening to left wing radio or NBC, ABC,CBS or any or their variants including CNN you're listening to liars.
If your listening to their TV News your swallowing the Kool Aid and your receiving lies.
Your problem is that you cannot prove any of their lies so you do not try.
You state if it is Right Wing it is a Lie. Consider your words carefully and then show this to be a lie.
Barack Obama, 'AKA 'The Muslim' has apologized for this Country not because it is the will of the people that he do so only that it is his desire to do it.
Prove that wrong or a lie.
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#38
Buzz has not yet discerned the difference between research and ridicule.
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#39
So, he thinks we are researching him?

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I know you think you understand what you thought I said,
but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant!
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John L Wrote:Buzz has not yet discerned the difference between research and ridicule.

Yeah ... but to his credit he DID answer my initial question ... regarding how the infomercial would get 'spun' when bombed.
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