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US Department of Change
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US Department of Change

Change usually comes slowly, should Obama make too many changes in a short period of time he may end up with a mess that will take decades to correct.
The true purpose of democracy is not to select the best leaders — a clearly debatable obligation — but to facilitate the prompt and peaceful removal of obviously bad ones. 
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#2
and we won't be dealing with Iraq or Afghanistan or Kosovo or the sub-rime mortgage crisis for a decade to come?

chill out.
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#3
In an effort to "change" things,

here are Obama's first two appointees:
Quote:His choice yesterday for White House chief of staff - Rahm Emanuel, a fiery partisan who doesn't mind breaking glass and hurting feelings - is a significant departure from the soft-spoken, low-key aides that "No-Drama Obama" has surrounded himself with during his campaign. And transition chief John Podesta, like Emanuel, is a former top aide to Bill Clinton and a tough partisan infighter, though less bombastic than the new chief of staff.

Link h e r e.

Sure sounds very partisan and not something from a "unifier" to me.

Maybe, by "change", he meant he was going to change the curtains in the White House?
I know you think you understand what you thought I said,
but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant!
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JohnWho Wrote:Maybe, by "change", he meant he was going to change the curtains in the White House?

China pattern.
As Gary Lloyd said, "When the government’s boot is on your throat, whether it is a left boot or a right boot is of no consequence."
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JohnWho Wrote:In an effort to "change" things,

here are Obama's first two appointees:
Quote:His choice yesterday for White House chief of staff - Rahm Emanuel, a fiery partisan who doesn't mind breaking glass and hurting feelings - is a significant departure from the soft-spoken, low-key aides that "No-Drama Obama" has surrounded himself with during his campaign. And transition chief John Podesta, like Emanuel, is a former top aide to Bill Clinton and a tough partisan infighter, though less bombastic than the new chief of staff.

Link h e r e.

Sure sounds very partisan and not something from a "unifier" to me.

Maybe, by "change", he meant he was going to change the curtains in the White House?
Darn, JW. You beat me to the punch. I read this in my a.m. paper. I'm glad to see the AP picking up on stories like this.
Quote:...In contrast to Obama's collegial style and that of his top campaign advisers, Emanuel is known as a foul-mouthed practitioner of brass-knuckled politics who relishes both conflict and publicity. He once mailed a dead fish to a political foe.

But he also earned a reputation for pragmatic efficiency, whether the goal was winning House elections for Democrats or working with Republicans to enact Clinton's centrist political agenda.

"Rahm knows Capitol Hill and has great political skills," said Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C. "He can be a tough partisan but also understands the need to work together."

House Republican leader John Boehner of Ohio was less kind. He called his appointment an "ironic choice for a president-elect who has promised to change Washington, make politics more civil and govern from the center..."
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When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty. --Thomas Jefferson
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#6
the more i read about it, the more convinced i am that rahm's presence there is to get Congress in line with BHO, not the other way around.
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ghoullio Wrote:the more i read about it, the more convinced i am that rahm's presence there is to get Congress in line with BHO, not the other way around.
Yuh think? He's scared the crap out of more than one Congressman. So much for a non-partisan, reaching-across-the-isle promise. :? It's not going to get any better.
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When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty. --Thomas Jefferson
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#8
you would seriously have to be deluded to think it was going to change. i expected nothing else, but i'd like to at least see if he has America's interest at heart.

Congress NEEDS a good roughing up. The American people demand it...
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#9
"Nothing can change the shape of things to come."

"There are changes
Lying ahead on every road
There are new thoughts
Ready and waiting to explode
When tomorrow is today
The bells made all fuzz up
But nothing can change the shape of things to come"
I know you think you understand what you thought I said,
but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant!
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#10
There are two channels that flow during the changes Obama will try to create. One is the effectiveness and success of the changes reflected in poll numbers and public support. The other is the fiscal success or failure that is the consequence of those changes.

Most of Obama's announced desired changes are not new - but already tried and discarded because they did not accomplish the two channels.

There are also two paths that Obama can take with his changes. He can go slow and spread them apart to minimize their drag on the economy - or he can open the flood gates all at once.

If the first vaunted change is made slowly - it will become a test case. Everyone - including the complicit media - will scrutinize it, and its success or failure will affect other changes down the pipe. Dumping everything at once will create a swirling movement of changes that will tear down the bridges and infrastructure and resist all attempts to stave off disaster.
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#11
how do we know wh his plan is? he has apparently taken his agenda off the website it used to reside at...
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#12
Changing his website is part of his "change" policy.

:lol:
I know you think you understand what you thought I said,
but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant!
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#13
ghoullio Wrote:how do we know wh his plan is? he has apparently taken his agenda off the website it used to reside at...

A friends saved the cached versions. I can fetch a link if anyone wants it.
As Gary Lloyd said, "When the government’s boot is on your throat, whether it is a left boot or a right boot is of no consequence."
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#14
The ever prescient and all knowing press seem to be indicating that BHO et al are hyperventilating about the chance for instant and active "change".

If so, there is a great opportunity for executive fiat and legislative hubris to over extend themselves. Some people get goose bumps because they think "it's about time" and others because they thing "oh no, what's next".

Does anyone know if BHO triangulates? If not, we could be in trouble.

The tea leaves will be cleared anon.
Jefferson: I place economy among the first and important virtues, and public debt as the greatest of dangers. To preserve our independence, we must not let our rulers load us with perpetual debt. We must make our choice between economy and liberty, or profusion and servitude. If we can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of caring for them, they will be happy.
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