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How Dumb is "Dubyah"...Really?
#1
Hi Guys
I wrote an eloquent two page answer to that question about five years ago before the first Dubyah term. The answer was on another board, that ultimately banned me for suggesting that indeed up is up and down is down.
In the run-up to his second term, I began comparing...or rather contrasting him with other leaders of the world both here in America, and around the world, past and present. My conclusion was that he stacks up pretty darned well among them all, both intellectually, and in the courage/character realm.

Pick any other political leader you want and make the comparison yourselves right here in open forum.

Bottom line, compared to perfection, he falls short. Compared to other leaders...he starts looking pretty good. Anyone who thinks he is dumb, is just not clear on the concept yet.
Best regards
Ken Bean
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#2
But Ken, you are trying to introduce a comparative measurement concept to people who might not know (and do not want to know) about either measurement, concept, or comparison. :lol: :lol:
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#3
He's exceptionally smart and stubborn. It's funny,he goes to the G-8 and he alone leaves with them distributing HIS basic views of global warming(un noticed due to the London blasts).

That's an issue he has NO support on across the globe,yet he leaves with HIS views being posted as THEIR views,but he's stupid ain't he?
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Palladin Wrote:He's exceptionally smart and stubborn. It's funny,he goes to the G-8 and he alone leaves with them distributing HIS basic views of global warming(un noticed due to the London blasts).

That's an issue he has NO support on across the globe,yet he leaves with HIS views being posted as THEIR views,but he's stupid ain't he?

Which bring up his most famous misquote: "Misunderestimated". I like it! I like it a Lot! Wink1

He's probably my favorite Federalist.
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#5
Quote:Pick any other political leader you want and make the comparison yourselves right here in open forum.

Not fair. Bush has resources beyond any other world leader; this creates much larger margin for screwups than anyone else has.

The only way we would be able to compare is if in 2008 Bush is replaced by either a capable person (Bush will look bad) or by a Democrat (Bush will look good). Wink1
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#6
Let's define capable. Bush is the first President to use a professional business model to organize his staff and associates in the White House. The long term non-partisan employees describe his methodology as so far beyond what anyone else put in place that it borders on the miraculous. Future Presidents will use what he has put in place and prosper.

No one, with the exception of perhaps Reagan has the ability to communicate one-on-one with his fellow world leaders and get them to understand his position, and most importantly to agree with his stance. His major failures internationally seem linked to the popular opinion of those countries driven to a large part by our own MSM, and the poll-driven responses by weak-kneed leaders unsure of their ability to wield power without selling out to the highest bidder.

Yes, you can call Bush dumb or stupid for allowing al Jazeera and other instruments of hatred from infecting the world's population, and propagandizing as effectively as they have - but his options are limited by the very people who should be fighting alongside him. Air bases in Pakistan are directly linked to political rants by Kennedy, Reid, Dean, Kerry, and the rest - and their butt-buddies in the MSM who proselytize their rants as if they had a point.

What makes him incapable? Not allowing the bureaucrats in the CIA, FBI, Justice Department, and other arms to have their way and weaken the U.S. still farther? If he just went with the flow, and went the direction that Clinton put in place, there would be harmony and accord for sure.

Is he incapable for recognizing that the greatest threat to terrorism is a successful pro-Western nation in the center of oil-producing Islamic nations? Is it a stupid waste for us to be there, building a powerful independent anti-terrorist force of its own, so that when we leave there we will still have a presence? Our nation had three million soldiers in Germany in WWII - so I doubt that we are unable to produce enough warriors to serve our needs as they arise.

Many very intelligent people argue we should rely almost entirely on high-tech weaponry and do away with grunts. Is he capable or not for providing the number of soldiers the Generals in the field ask for?

I think the statement about "capable" depends more on political wish-lists than on any reality.
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#7
MV or Stroll or who?

Dubyah is sorta' like me. He doesn't give much weight to the successfully propagandized opinions of dis-enfranchised people around the world.

Reagan napped through the active destruction of the most evil empire in history? Riiiiiiiiight! D

Dubyah misunderstood the cozy relationship some UN countries had with Saddam in spite of the UN's own sanctions? riiiiiiiight! D

The propagandized people around the world keep repeating their "Dubyah is dumb" mantra....but believe me when I tell you that the yappy terrier leaders of those countries know better. Oh yes they know better...but yap the louder to play pretend it amounts to spit.

PS Don't even think for a moment that our military is stretched too thin to protect us and our key interests. One of our key interests is to preserve the sorry disenfranchised arses who spend all their time criticizing us...until they need us.
I changed my mind about Russia being a "natural ally". To have a friend one must be a friend. To respect another, one must first respect oneself.

John, a question Do we have state propaganda voices on this forum?I can't believe that any Russian or German or French ordinary citizen would criticize the friend that gave them any voice at all to begin with???
Ken Bean
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Bean Wrote:John, a question: Do we have state propaganda voices on this forum?I can't believe that any Russian or German or French ordinary citizen would criticize the friend that gave them any voice at all to begin with???
Ken Bean

Don't know Ken. As for the Russians here, I can't answer for them either. But remember that Russians are naturally paranoid about EVERYTHING! Fortunately, they aren't the world's worst conspiracy Kooks, that belongs to the Palestinians.

Anyway, the mind easily forgets what has been done FOR them and never forgets what is done TO them. Amazing!
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#9
I think that's a good point,Bush is working from a strong hand. However,what I like about him is his TOTAL lack of pretense.

He makes his mistakes as we all do and he does have certain weaknesses,mainly he is TOO defensive when questioned,in democracies you get questioned,period,get used to it.

Actually,I think Bush's main failures relate to Iraq. He led us into the war,properly so IMO NOW,but he failed and continues to fail in properly showing MY WIFE why we should stay there. He doesn't NEED to show me,but I like to use my wife as the average American who doesn't read international news,etc.

The focus on WMD and the absence of other excellent rationale has left many bereft of good reasons to support the war because they ignorantly see NO WMD and conclude,WHY allow more US deaths,just leave!

In PARTICULAR,for whatever reason,Bush has failed to illuminate the FACT that we took from Tuwaitha tons of enriched uranium. Why I cannot know.
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#10
sigh...

Bush endorsed the Campaign Finance law, assuming the Supreme Court would strike it down. however, he expresses, as does the majority of his party, concern about the direction of the Judiciary. why would you put faith in an organization that you know doesn't work properly?

my second point, is that he does nothing for our borders. he could easily wrap the country in his arms by just standing up for us when he visits Fox. he doles out threats (with good reason!) to far away villains, forsaking us to our own demises, and when FORCED to procure our own security (probably what the Founding Fathers would have envisioned), he calls them vigilantes, and wont lend a hand in support.

this is why i think GW is just another ordinary politician, out to make a buck for his friends.

in just about everything else, besides his personality, he excels. my favorite moment of him are when the Press pisses him off and he gets a little pissy with the shills barking at him.

but when he was running for reelection, i and my family where 100% behind him, we would watch the Convention and hear the GOPers at the Duncan, OK HQ then ext day, and they would say "wasn't that convention amazing? wasn't Miller awesome? wasn't Schwarzenegger awesome? wasn't Franks awesome?"

i found myself thinking...no.

no they weren't.

where was the REAL republican party? so we had a democrat, a RINO, and a General (whom i adore above all else) to speak on behalf of Bush. the Conservative agenda was hung out to dry in favor of moderate voters.


i expect this form them, don't think i am naive, i just think he has left the Right behind.

as i watched him run for President, do his trail speeches, as i watched him hold his own against the "Great and Powerful" Kerry, as much as i liked the guy, i found myself begging for a man like Reagan again. i was praying that we would have a LEADER in this country, someone who could wrangle in the misfits and keep the country happy, all while supporting his base, his "grass roots" campaign.
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#11
Ghoulio.....
I gotta' agree with you. (that's a period and a paragraph.)

.......but politics is the art of the POSSIBLE.

We had just endured 8 long years of dumbing down the young voters....stop and think... a full ONE FOURTH of the eligible voters LIKED being congratulated on their stupidity. D

No, As I have said before...I don't agree with Dubyah's priorities at all.
Nevertheless, he won with a lot of those STUPID votes, so I gotta give him some credit for being smarter than the average bear.
Ken
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#12
Quote:a full ONE FOURTH of the eligible voters LIKED being congratulated on their stupidity.
And another fourth is proud of it.
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#13
Ag,
Have you noted how quiet the international lunatic fringe has been on this subject since I framed it several weeks ago.

Someone pretty smart said " A little bright sunlight is a marvelous disinfectant."
Good ole Murdoc has even been quiet here.

Someone on another thread was griping about Dubyah not sealing our borders...and not standing up to Mexico (President Fox).

Well, Dubyah is smart enough to understand we can not PHYSICALLY seal our lenghty borders, without destroying a free society......and so has instituted the very best strategy...

There is NO question in my mind that a lot of undocumented aliens, looking for a decent job here, have whispered to us about lots of would-be terrorists crossing the border along side them.
Best regards
Ken
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#14
Ken, you are a day late and a Dollar short. Old Chuck returned the other day and stuck around for a couple of swings around the world. Actully he has a serious way of livening up things when he is here.

I wish that he would return a bit more often, myself. S6
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#15
Bush is like most pols. He's a conservative,but his primary thought is about himself. Abraham Lincoln waited 1 full year before elevating US Grant,because he feared Grant would become popular and beat him in 1864. Probably cost several hundred thousand dead due to incompetency in the high command,what did Lincoln care? Not enough.

Bush is no different. But,anyone who really thinks he's stupid is....stupid,IMO.

"Presidential Ambition" is a neat work.
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