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DNA Tests for Bigfoot Hair
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DNA Tests on "Tuft of BigFoot Hair"

Interesting. However, I have heard and seen many programs which supposedly "find" hair, but when it goes for testing, it turns out it was suitable for testing, or some other lame excuse.
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#2
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/4720797.stm

The results will be here on Thursday, tomorrow. Who is willing to bet its going to turn out that nothing can be really gained ?
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#3
You are probably right on that one. If they exist they must be awfully reclusive Gigantopithicus.

Here's another good site

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#4
Since I was in the Science section and Gunnen has a thread on this, you should know about this nice site: The Bigfoot Field Researchers Organization

You can search by recent reports or by regions (state; county.)
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#5
I have no problem with the concept of Gigantopithicus still being be with us.

But somehow it just doesn't add up that we haven't yet come up with an extended family, and have it recorded by the likes of NatGeo.
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#6
Neanderthal returning among us?
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#7
In my opinion, most humans have some Neanterthal genes within their DNA. And I have seen some humans who if not Neanderthal, certainly could fool almost everyone. I'm using the cranium as focal point mostly. But a few I have seen are also short and very stocky.

Put them in an animal skin, turn them loose among some big game, and watch them go after their next meal. S1

Of course Neanderthal and Gigantopithicus are entirely two different critters.
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#8
John,

Concerning Neanderthal DNA, could the human genome project accidentally "see" neanderthal DNA and think it was homo sapien DNA?

OR, could an amalgamation as you posit make the distinction difficult?

Also, do we have access to known Neanderthal DNA? If not, it seems to me the question can't be answered.
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(01-29-2012, 03:44 PM)Palladin Wrote: John,

Concerning Neanderthal DNA, could the human genome project accidentally "see" neanderthal DNA and think it was homo sapien DNA?

OR, could an amalgamation as you posit make the distinction difficult?

Also, do we have access to known Neanderthal DNA? If not, it seems to me the question can't be answered.

Why Palladin, you Neandethal you!

http://www.genome.gov/27539119

Use NatGeo on-line to access the science sources:

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/...-dna-gene/

As for "Bigfoot" welcome to the world of fantasy and hoaxes...from British Columbia to Tennessee and Alabama people have been producing both hair and dung since 1995 that "prove" the fancy...were it not for the Internet such nonsense would not be receiving any attention.
"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I am not sure about the former."

Albert Einstein
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#10
I guess because the Neanderthal issue, not everyone is the same inside....
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(01-29-2012, 03:44 PM)Palladin Wrote: John,

Concerning Neanderthal DNA, could the human genome project accidentally "see" neanderthal DNA and think it was homo sapien DNA?

OR, could an amalgamation as you posit make the distinction difficult?

Also, do we have access to known Neanderthal DNA? If not, it seems to me the question can't be answered.

Patrick, first of all Neanderthals are recognized as one line of 'homo sapiens'.

I'm almost positive there are numerous samples of Neanderthal DNA, most likely found in the dentition. And since we are all of the same species, separating the unique DNA of that one group may be difficult. I haven't kept up with it all for some time now.

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#12
I have a bit - neanderthal DNA seems to be more of a European thing, and not found in other homo sapiens that much.

Does this make us all the exact same species akin to dog breeds? All canines can interbreed, but there are differences in DNA per breed.
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#13
After reading that, I am struck by the idea that "out of Africa" we came, but, Africans of all homo sapiens do not show Neanderthal DNA.
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#14
Pat, you have to realize that modern science exists in a more political form these days. Even the tribes of Africa are more separate from each other than many realize according to genetics. I made a hubub of this in biology, but no one seemed that interested and those that were, were somewhat upset and questioned if I was racist or using false reports. Ultimately, it was neither. It was just a politically uncomfortable truth that you find on Scientific American's website every so often.

That we're all the same has always been a load of bullshit, and now it's starting to crack in places no matter how much of the established scientific community says so. The truth comes out eventually. Myself, I am fascinated by human genetics and such, so it's all pure entertainment and learning for me. That everyone else may get upset says something about the current thinking pervading research these days.
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#15
Tait,


It just doesn't make sense . If homo sapien comes out from Africa, it is not sensible to assume all humanity BUT Africans are associated with our precursors.

It's things like this that lead me to assume we know a whole lot less than we realize.

Not ONLY this, but, if Darwin was right, Africans are sub humans. He expressed it this way, "Africans are between Neanderthal and us". That in , "The Descent of Man".

Yet, now we say Africans haven't the Neanderthal DNA, while all of we "real humans" do. If that isn't some confused bs, nothing is.

Based on this finding, Africans ought to have higher IQs than all the rest of humanity. ?+%$#@!

Here's another thought. Neanderthal's DNA is 98.6% of ours. 98.6%.

SO, if we could find a group of them, would anyone allow one to try surgery on us after attending med school? Same for monkeys.


I think we did emanate from precursor homo genus myself, but, the available evidence tells me we're off track somewhere in all this.

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#16
Neanderthals are stupid is a somewhat timeless claim. They may have more distinct features, but I doubt they were stupid.

You also cannot forget that geography factors into everything concerning human development.
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#17
Patrick, this "Out Of Africa" concept is something the genetics experts have come up with. According to them mitocondrial DNA is the holy grail and it all shows that everyone is out of Africa from one base female, winning the competition with existing hominids. Well the pendulum is finally swinging back. It is only common sense that preexisting populations would mix genes with the new arrivals, and produce mixtures.

And where did you get that 98.6% of Neanderthal genes being ours? I've never heard of that one before. After all, they have been officially homo sapiens for decades now.
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#18
That figure was in the article DR provided. It was more like this, "Neanderthal DNA is 98.6% the same as our DNA".

It may have said 99%, I thought I recalled a fraction in it when I read it.

Concerning "out of Africa", it sure doesn't look like the DNA guys are right on that one IF this Neanderthal DNA/human nexus is valid. In fact, it looks like humanity and Neanderthal may have parted ways before Africans existed.

I admit to not knowing much about all this. Some things just jump out at me like this issue.

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#19
You know, there seems to be some pet theory almost every week. I don't even bother keeping up with most of them.

I'd put my money on this guy. The Out of Africa people aren't anthropologists anyway.
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#20
Scientists have extracted bits of DNA off inhumed Neanderthal bones.
Unlike mammoths, we never found any neanderthal hibernatus. We did find some hairy poeple frozen in glaciers, but they were modern humans like you and me.

That's why can't reclone neanderthal like we may do one day with a mammoth.
But experts say that it may be possible to insert these bits of DNA in a human genome, and give birth to a person with accentuated caveman traits.

About our DNA being close to Neanderthal's: A seemingly tiny proportion of DNA can change a whole specie.
We have 98.5% of DNA in common with these creatures? So what? We share 95% with chimps, 70% with mice, and 20% with bacterias...

On the "Out of Africa" theory: It means that the oldest humanoid known to man (LOL), was found in Africa and that, coincindentaly, the oldest DNA common to all humans also came from Africa.
Now you must consider that at the time this DNA was formed and Lucy was born, these so-called poeple barely looked like us: They were 1.20 meter tall, ate fruits and were still a few hundred thousands years away from smashing off their first flint.
By the time they became apes remotely ressembling poeple, the specie had already colonized the entire planet. How blacks in Africa became humans, nobody knows, but nothing says that they were the first, just poping up like Obama is the first black POTUS. Probably human genes went back and forth in and off Africa and elswhere before the first homo sapien appeared.
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