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Why are they so darned upset?
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Bush Wrote:"As Nazi tanks crossed into Poland in 1939, an American senator declared: 'Lord, if only I could have talked to Hitler, all of this might have been avoided.' We have an obligation to call this what it is -- the false comfort of appeasement, which has been repeatedly discredited by history," he said.

Where is Obama or any other modern Democrat (I don't know who the 1939 Senator was) mentioned in that comment?

Newt Gingrich opined that these guys must have an enormous sense of unease (Newt called it guilt) to have reacted in such a visceral fashion. They could have offered a generic ambiguous response that yes, appeasing Hitler was a bad move. But instead they are howling like scalded cats. Brilliant! :lol:
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Because they feel the sharp tip of the spear, hitting them where they are most vulnerable.

As the saying goes, "If the Shoe fits, wear it." Now they are complaining about the size and width.
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mr_yak Wrote:Where is Obama or any other modern Democrat...
(From the link that you introduced at the beginning of this thread.)

Quote:President Bush may want to take up his head-in-the-sand views with his own Defense Secretary. Just yesterday, Robert Gates said the U.S. needs to ?sit down and talk with? Iran:

“We need to figure out a way to develop some leverage…and then sit down and talk with them,” Gates said. If there is going to be a discussion, then they need something, too. We can’t go to a discussion and be completely the demander, with them not feeling that they need anything from us.”
Now, I would only presume that Dubya knows this guy works for him, right? :?

In addition, to your major front-runner for the office of President of the USA, John McCain; lets see what his thoughts are concerning this sort of foreign policy with Hamas, shall we?

Interview with John McCain on dealing with Hamas

mr_yak Wrote:Newt Gingrich opined that these guys must have an enormous sense of unease (Newt called it guilt) to have reacted in such a visceral fashion. They could have offered a generic ambiguous response that yes, appeasing Hitler was a bad move. But instead they are howling like scalded cats. Brilliant!
Did Newt make any additional comments about Gates or McCain? Just wondering if you knew of course.

BTW: I think that you may need to check out your kitchen--I believe some boiling water spilled on to your cat. Wink1 8) :lol:
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Grizz, thank you for your insightful response that follows the subject, and accurately answers the Yakster's question. I am certain that his opinion of you will be just as high as mine happens to be.

Congratulations on your wisdom and communication skills.



EDIT: as an aside, have you considered starting new threads, instead of showing us that you can even think of other things than what the originator wishes to talk about?
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John L Wrote:Grizz, thank you for your insightful response that follows the subject, and accurately answers the Yakster's question. I am certain that his opinion of you will be just as high as mine happens to be.

Congratulations on your wisdom and communication skills.
Thank you! I'm more than happy to deeply define the modern Democrat for the yakster.



John L Wrote:EDIT: as an aside, have you considered starting new threads, instead of showing us that you can even think of other things than what the originator wishes to talk about?
I learned all my debating skills from you. You're my hero, you know that too, don't ya! (nudge! nudge!) Wink1 Wink1
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Grizzly Wrote:
John L Wrote:Grizz, thank you for your insightful response that follows the subject, and accurately answers the Yakster's question. I am certain that his opinion of you will be just as high as mine happens to be.

Congratulations on your wisdom and communication skills.
Thank you! I'm more than happy to deeply define the modern Democrat for the yakster.

Then you are doing a marvelous job. In fact, if I were the Yakster, your fine reasoning abilities would require me to ask my daughter's perspective husband as to just what his political philosophy happened to be. Hell, I would probably know that just by observing him for about ten minutes.



John L Wrote:"Grizz, in a fit of genius"
John L Wrote:EDIT: as an aside, have you considered starting new threads, instead of showing us that you can even think of other things than what the originator wishes to talk about?
I learned all my debating skills from you. You're my hero, you know that too, don't ya! (nudge! nudge!) Wink1 Wink1

As I have stated, your ability to rationalize and empathize need improvement. I can't give you any more instructions, because it's not worth the effort, and you would not pay attention anyway.
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Grizzly Wrote:I'm more than happy to deeply define the modern Democrat for the yakster.

Could you define it in the context of the original question? Gates and McCain didn't exactly get their panties all in a wad now did they? IMHO, the invective reaction is a huge blunder. Throwing it out and seeing what sticks is one thing. But the Dems have managed to dip this one in two ton epoxy and permanently secured it to their own foreheads. Well done! :lol:
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When I heard the Bush speech, the first name that popped into my mind was Jimmmy Carter. You know, the former US president that just recently went to Gaza to meet with the terrorist organization called Hamas.

It's really telling that the first name that popped into virtually every Democrats' mind was Barrack Obama. Even Obama thought it referred to him. I'd say that Bush inadvertently hit a home run with that speech. It must really sting to be an appeaser!

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Stars & Stripes Wrote:When I heard the Bush speech, the first name that popped into my mind was Jimmmy Carter. You know, the former US president that just recently went to Gaza to meet with the terrorist organization called Hamas.

It's really telling that the first name that popped into virtually every Democrats' mind was Barrack Obama. Even Obama thought it referred to him. I'd say that Bush inadvertently hit a home run with that speech. It must really sting to be an appeaser!

-S

Jimmy Carter HAD to be the subject of Junior's remarks. However, the fact that the other Jackasses reacted as they did, especially the new Young Saviour Obama, I would say that Junior scored a Direct Hit.
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mr_yak Wrote:
Grizzly Wrote:I'm more than happy to deeply define the modern Democrat for the yakster.

Could you define it in the context of the original question? Gates and McCain didn't exactly get their panties all in a wad now did they? IMHO, the invective reaction is a huge blunder. Throwing it out and seeing what sticks is one thing. But the Dems have managed to dip this one in two ton epoxy and permanently secured it to their own foreheads. Well done! :lol:
The real thing here is that you have the GOP stating that you shouldn't appease the Hamas; then, later on the media shows Gates and McCain flip flopping; this whole thing of 'do as I say and not as I do' is not very convincing to a voting public that has seen this on the TV and the internet.

mr_yak: if your party--the very same party that has at least 80% of the voting public pissed off at them right now--wishes to use this in the General Campaign right up to November, then I say YEAH--go right ahead and rock and roll. Well done indeed! (Thinking: I only wonder just how many more times John McSame will flip flop? I'll stay tuned.) Wink1 8) :lol:
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Jimmy Carter was who I thought of and turns out Jimmy Carter is who he was discussing. However,Jimmy Carter does NOT fit the bill,he is not an appeaser in this case,Carter is pro Islamic terrorist relative to Israel existing,period.

So is Obama. Not that he isn't an appeasment minded democrat,he is as almost all of them are today,but relating to Israel Obama sides with the Palestinian demands,period.

The Repubs have their faults,but this democrat bunch would elect Neville Chamberlain because they just did,only WORSE. Chamberlain wasn't for Hitler,he just cowered in front of him.

Maybe Obama can get his Hamas Islamic terr friends to be nice to the handful of Christians in Gaza??



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John L Wrote:Jimmy Carter HAD to be the subject of Junior's remarks. However, the fact that the other Jackasses reacted as they did, especially the new Young Saviour Obama, I would say that Junior scored a Direct Hit.

While I agree that this cast an unwanted light over gaffs that Commander Obama had gotten earlier byes on, IMHO, this stung the whole lot ... Pelosi, Reid, Biden, HRC ... they all pretty much squealed in harmony. HRC in particular could have scored huge by simply saying some thing like "he wasn't talking about ME" ... or even just keeping her trap shut. But no ... she followed the herd and the herd took it hook, line and sinker.

That one little comment on 1939 politics will probably have more of an impact on today's foreign policy than all of the campaign speeches and all of the debates combined.

Grizzly,

Trotting out my party's numerous and varied warts isn't going to change the fact that the Dems have taken careful aim and drilled themselves in the foot on this one.
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mr_yak Wrote:Grizzly,

Trotting out my party's numerous and varied warts isn't going to change the fact that the Dems have taken careful aim and drilled themselves in the foot on this one.
Yeah. I know just how much they (Democrats) drilled themselves in the foot on this one, alright. Just as soon as the media found out about their (GOP's) flip flops, the GOP shut up about it quick fast and in a hurry.

But, once again, I do wish you folks (GOP) a speedy recovery of regaining your voice, thus starting up the subject again, thus embarrassing yourselves again.

I have a great idea--use Ann Coulter or Rush Limbaugh the next time. Those two are guaranteed to screw it up. I remember writing to Rush--and I do mean snail mail too--thanking him for getting a Democratic lawmaker in to office for me. Great guy! I told him "Well Done!" [Image: thumbsup.gif]

Edit: Yakster: I really do not believe that George should not have said what he said at the Knesset, but I think that he should just shut-up until this election is over with, don't you think so?

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So Grizz, who the the first person's name the popped into your mind when you heard Bush's speech? I'd say from your reaction that you also first thought of Obama as being "some people".

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Stars & Stripes Wrote:So Grizz, who the the first person's name the popped into your mind when you heard Bush's speech? I'd say from your reaction that you also first thought of Obama as being "some people".

-S
I don't know. I just saw the media take off with it--that's that.

The real issue here in my opinion is the 'do as I say and not as I do' issue.

Not only was Dubya's administrative personnel--Gates--caught in the act, but John McSame had his hands in that particular cookie jar too.

I can't wait until I watch the Sunday political programs on this subject; I'll laugh until my sides ache--truely I will! 8) :lol:
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Grizz,

What subject are you discussing? I don't get your last reply.
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Palladin Wrote:Grizz,

What subject are you discussing? I don't get your last reply.

Somehow the other person, or persons residing within his brain do. that's what really matters. D

So don't even attempt to understand what they are saying to each other.
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Grizzly Wrote:Edit: Yakster: I really do not believe that George should not have said what he said at the Knesset, but I think that he should just shut-up until this election is over with, don't you think so?

Negative. This was a net plus for the GOP amidst a bunch of other unpleasant news. Face it Grizz, Bush flicked a booger and your guys literally dove in front of it.

Are you implying that negotiation would have worked with Hitler or that appeasement was successful? If so, would you like to buy a bridge ... in the desert?

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I think Grizz does believe in appeasment,which compared to Obama is a credit. Obama is beyond an appeaser,he AGREES with Islamic terrorism like Jeremiah Wright does,because America has been evil to Islamic innocent folks.
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mr_yak Wrote:Bush flicked a booger and your guys literally dove in front of it.
Not true. Bush flicked a booger and then shared it for supper with the GOP. 8) :lol:
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