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Why, And How, We Are Cooling Down
#61
scpg02 Wrote:The April data are available now. The global, NH and SH Jan-April means are respectively +0.02, +0.18 and -0.14 Celsius. The April increase in CO2 concentration comapared to April 2007 was 0.82 ppmv.

http://vortex.nsstc.uah.edu/data/msu/t2lt/tltglhmam_5.2

http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/ccgg/trends/
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Well...

Here is other data:

http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2008...april.html

And there is no doubt about the conclusion. Warming is going on as usual.

/track_snake
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#62
track_snake Wrote:And there is no doubt about the conclusion. Warming is going on as usual.

/track_snake

Actually, that article leaves plenty of doubt, and a "neutral" person such as yourself should be all over that doubt.

From your link:

Quote:NOAA: U.S. Has Cool April, Global Temperature Ranked 13th Warmest on Record
May 15, 2008

This past month was the coolest April in 11 years for the lower 48 United States, and fell into the lowest twenty-five percent of all Aprils based on records going back to 1895, according to an analysis by NOAA’s National Climatic Data Center in Asheville, N.C

The average April temperature, 51 degrees F, during April was one degree below the 20th century mean, and was the 29th coolest, or 86th warmest, based on preliminary data

"13th warmist" and "coolest April in 11 years for the lower 48 United States, and fell into the lowest twenty-five percent of all Aprils based on records going back to 1895" in the very next sentence, and you don't see a bit of confusion over what they are saying?

Without seeing any other data, aren't they saying that the last 11 years must have been part of the "13 warmist"? Then, aren't they also saying that this is the coolest of those 11 years? Doesn't this imply that it is getting cooler?

At least, if nothing else, it should put those questions in the minds of a "neutral" observer.

Too bad we don't seem to have any of those on this board.

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#63
JohnWho Wrote:
track_snake Wrote:1960-1990 is the averaging period we have to compare with. After 2020 the WMO will change to 1990-2020 and then we can get quite other conclusions...

I'm curious - why can't we use the 1970-2000 averaging period?

Why not the 1980-2010 period after 2010?

For that matter, why not go back 100 years, or 1000, or more to look for trends?

Just wondering.

Because T_S is a Bureaucrat, that's why? Wink1
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#64
track_snake Wrote:I would like to see at least one month that is below 1960-1990 averages before I believe in a global cooling...

/track_snake

From your link per John Who:

Quote:The average April temperature, 51 degrees F, during April was one degree below the 20th century mean, and was the 29th coolest, or 86th warmest, based on preliminary data

So I take it you are no longer nuetral but a believer!
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#65
scpg02 Wrote:
track_snake Wrote:I would like to see at least one month that is below 1960-1990 averages before I believe in a global cooling...

/track_snake

From your link per John Who:

Quote:The average April temperature, 51 degrees F, during April was one degree below the 20th century mean, and was the 29th coolest, or 86th warmest, based on preliminary data

So I take it you are no longer nuetral but a believer!
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Yes. But that is for a limited area, namely the US. The rest of the world was warm as usual during April 2008. Globally 0.4 degrees above normal.

What I want to see is at least 1 month that is globally colder than normal. Give me that and I will say something about the coming ice age.

By the way, I noted that it is fairly cold in the Antarctic. It was -78 degrees © the other day in Vostok (close to the South Pole). Just 9 degrees from the absolute global cold record (-87 degrees).

/track_snake
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#66
track_snake Wrote:
scpg02 Wrote:
track_snake Wrote:I would like to see at least one month that is below 1960-1990 averages before I believe in a global cooling...

/track_snake

From your link per John Who:

Quote:The average April temperature, 51 degrees F, during April was one degree below the 20th century mean, and was the 29th coolest, or 86th warmest, based on preliminary data

So I take it you are no longer nuetral but a believer!
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Yes. But that is for a limited area, namely the US. The rest of the world was warm as usual during April 2008. Globally 0.4 degrees above normal.

But, but, it is YOUR link about which you said
Quote:[quote="track_snake"] And there is no doubt about the conclusion. Warming is going on as usual.

Now, the link that convinced you that "there is no doubt about the conclusion. Warming is going on as usual" is not a valid source because it isn't talking about "globally"?

Not only aren't you neutral, you aren't even making sense regarding your bias.

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#67
track_snake Wrote:Yes. But that is for a limited area, namely the US. The rest of the world was warm as usual during April 2008. Globally 0.4 degrees above normal.

Do you have a source for that?

How much is 0.4 degrees above normal compared to last year, globally, and the previous 10 or 15 years?

Is it 0.4 above normal and higher than recently or lower than recently recorded temps?

We are talking trends, here. Also, the AGW folks said very specifically that as C02 levels continued to rise, so would the global temps. CO2 levels are continuing to rise. What is happening to global temperatures? (Hint - they have not continued to rise in the never-ending spiral that AGW proponents claimed. In fact, none of thier Climate models are even close to being accurate.)

Methinks, snake, that you've been on that track too long and you've been run over by too many trains.

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#68
JohnWho Wrote:
track_snake Wrote:Yes. But that is for a limited area, namely the US. The rest of the world was warm as usual during April 2008. Globally 0.4 degrees above normal.

Do you have a source for that?

How much is 0.4 degrees above normal compared to last year, globally, and the previous 10 or 15 years?

Is it 0.4 above normal and higher than recently or lower than recently recorded temps?

We are talking trends, here. Also, the AGW folks said very specifically that as C02 levels continued to rise, so would the global temps. CO2 levels are continuing to rise. What is happening to global temperatures? (Hint - they have not continued to rise in the never-ending spiral that AGW proponents claimed. In fact, none of thier Climate models are even close to being accurate.)

Methinks, snake, that you've been on that track too long and you've been run over by too many trains.

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Oh...

Is it so?

I agree that after 1998 the warming trend is not significant. Probably because of other influences than AGW, maybe the SUN...

We will see more when the May data arrives. But probably May will look much like April. Cooler temperatures than normal in parts of central US; warmer temperatures than normal in parts of central Russia, Kazachstan and the Ukraine.

From temperature data available right now, I guess that temperatures are below normal still in Canada's Nunavut province and along the Arctic coast of Russia. However, southern Greenland enjoys an unusually warm spring
and we will see if that contributes to increased melting of glaciers there.

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#69
Wow, nice post -

you ignored every one of my questions.


Maybe that is the key, when talking to "neutral" GW alarmists such as yourself, one shouldn't expect anything substantive or factual. just more "probablys" and "I guesses".

Your article states that April was the coolest in 11 years yet you say it shows that warming trends continue?

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#70
Yes, maybe the SUN. And speaking of the sun, here is today's picture of that globe. Notice anything missing, other than those teeny-weensy little specks?

Keep in mind that temperature change is a "Trailing Indicator" here. Even if the sun suddenly started cranking up again, it would not be felt immediately.

As a result, the temperature will continue to be
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#71
JohnWho Wrote:Wow, nice post -

you ignored every one of my questions.


Maybe that is the key, when talking to "neutral" GW alarmists such as yourself, one shouldn't expect anything substantive or factual. just more "probablys" and "I guesses".

Your article states that April was the coolest in 11 years yet you say it shows that warming trends continue?

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Coolest in the US yes. Not in the world.

I am not an 'alarmist'. I am only neutral...

What question? If I was overrun by the train? Well, I don't remember...

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#72
The questions were the sentences that ended with "?".

Quote:Do you have a source for that?

How much is 0.4 degrees above normal compared to last year, globally, and the previous 10 or 15 years?

Is it 0.4 above normal and higher than recently or lower than recently recorded temps?

We are talking trends, here. Also, the AGW folks said very specifically that as C02 levels continued to rise, so would the global temps. CO2 levels are continuing to rise. What is happening to global temperatures?

Clever of me to disguise the questions with that "?" character, wasn't it?
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#73
John L Wrote:Yes, maybe the SUN. And speaking of the sun, here is today's picture of that globe. Notice anything missing, other than those teeny-weensy little specks?

Keep in mind that temperature change is a "Trailing Indicator" here. Even if the sun suddenly started cranking up again, it would not be felt immediately.

As a result, the temperature will continue to be
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I'm told we have not reached minimum yet.
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#74
track_snake Wrote:I am not an 'alarmist'.

/track_snake

LOL! No but you have a kool-aide mustache.
As Gary Lloyd said, "When the government’s boot is on your throat, whether it is a left boot or a right boot is of no consequence."
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#75
This is all so depressing I had hoped the sea levels would rise enough to rid us of the coastal metropoles. I mean I bought land in Arizona Bay.
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#76
TheMan Wrote:This is all so depressing I had hoped the sea levels would rise enough to rid us of the coastal metropoles. I mean I bought land in Arizona Bay.
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Stupid of you.

Was it Al Gore that got you to do that?

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#77
scpg02 Wrote:
track_snake Wrote:I am not an 'alarmist'.

/track_snake

LOL! No but you have a kool-aide mustache.
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Hmmmm....

No, it just fell off...

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#78
Still ignored my questions.

I guess that's a symptom of kool-aide induced mustache loss.

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#79
JohnWho Wrote:Still ignored my questions.

I guess that's a symptom of kool-aide induced mustache loss.

:?

I don't think he knows what a Kool-Aide drinker is.

T_S, google Jim Jones and Jonestown.

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