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Why, And How, We Are Cooling Down
#21
JohnWho Wrote:But, I guess with AGW alarmists, Global Warming includes: increased droughts, increased rainfall, increased numbers and intensity of hurricanes, less hurricanes of lesser intensity, rising temperatures, falling temperatures, etc.

:lol:

It's their way of playing both sides of the field. To them, it's a "Win/Win" situation.

Of course, if you are wise(forget intelligent) you quickly realize this. S6
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#22
JohnWho Wrote:
track_snake Wrote:Well...

As you very well know, John L., increased rainfall (or snowfall) is a sign of AGW...

Not according to Al Gore's highly esteemed, authoritative website:

Quote:What happens when the global temperature rises?
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Increased drought and increased incidence of wildfires

Link h e r e.

But, I guess with AGW alarmists, Global Warming includes: increased droughts, increased rainfall, increased numbers and intensity of hurricanes, less hurricanes of lesser intensity, rising temperatures, falling temperatures, etc.

:lol:
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Well...

You should not believe too much what Al Gore is writing...

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#23
track_snake Wrote:Well...

You should not believe too much what Al Gore is writing...

/track_snake

Understantment of this year, so far. Wink1
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#24
track_snake Wrote:----------------
Well...

You should not believe too much what Al Gore is writing...

/track_snake

All righty then -

delete "highly esteemed, authoritative".

:lol:
I know you think you understand what you thought I said,
but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant!
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#25
Palladin Wrote:Here's an anti AGW opinion:

HERE

Oh, no, not the Pacific Decadal Oscillation!

How dare it rear it's ugly, albeit now cool, head!?

It is directly affected by the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere, don't you know, and it can actually discern whether the CO2 came from natural emissions or anthropogenic emissions. Quite clever, don't you think?
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#26
BTW - this, on the PDO - La Nina and Pacific Decadal Oscillation Cool the Pacific
is interesting.

From the article:
Quote: Natural, large-scale climate patterns like the PDO and El Niño-La Niña are superimposed on global warming caused by increasing concentrations of greenhouse gases and landscape changes like deforestation. According to Josh Willis, JPL oceanographer and climate scientist, “These natural climate phenomena can sometimes hide global warming caused by human activities. Or they can have the opposite effect of accentuating it.”

They either mask or accentuate anything humans do. Doesn't this imply that human activity is a minor player?

At least there is an admission that natural climate phenomena actually exists.

Wouldn't the "large-scale climate patterns" be more dominant?

I'm sure glad the debate is over on this.
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#27
Oh,these boneheads know natural phenomena is 99% if not 100% of climate change. Just like they knew 99% of all chlorine discharging into the ozone hole was natural.

That didn't slow down the nonsense on the ozone hole,but once the goal was achieved of guaranteeing DuPont the replacement for freon,who's heard of the ozone hole ever again? Seriously?

It's a non issue,it always was one,but now that the cash flow for these dishonorable presentations of fear has been stopped,so have the presentations from our academic frauds. The goal on AGW is to transfer wealth to socialist states across the globe from wealthy states and allow George Soros type gents to have their cut,I assume they will fail so we might hear this nonsense forever.
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Palladin Wrote:Oh,these boneheads know natural phenomena is 99% if not 100% of climate change. Just like they knew 99% of all chlorine discharging into the ozone hole was natural.

That didn't slow down the nonsense on the ozone hole,but once the goal was achieved of guaranteeing DuPont the replacement for freon,who's heard of the ozone hole ever again? Seriously?

It's a non issue,it always was one,but now that the cash flow for these dishonorable presentations of fear has been stopped,so have the presentations from our academic frauds. The goal on AGW is to transfer wealth to socialist states across the globe from wealthy states and allow George Soros type gents to have their cut,I assume they will fail so we might hear this nonsense forever.
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If you mean this emission trading system advocated by the IPCC I don't really understand what it is good for. And it is not benefitting socialist states more than other states.

If you want to address the AGW problem (or shall we say the CO2 emission problem) there is one thing that helps better than anything else:

Build more nuclear reactors.

When you provide electricity at low cost and plentiful those plug-in hybrids and other things will come automatically. And gasoline use will be reduced simply because of market forces and not because of any raised taxes or 'emission trading system'.

/track_snake
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#29
Apparently AlGore did not get the memo that the world's oceans are cooling.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story...d=88520025
http://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2006/sep...oling.html
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#30
mr_yak Wrote:Apparently AlGore did not get the memo that the world's oceans are cooling.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story...d=88520025
http://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2006/sep...oling.html

Oh, it's just a "speed bump", that's all. S6
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John L Wrote:
mr_yak Wrote:Apparently AlGore did not get the memo that the world's oceans are cooling.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story...d=88520025
http://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2006/sep...oling.html

Oh, it's just a "speed bump", that's all. S6


Still, ya just gotta wonder how long he's gonna stick to his story. At some point it will begin to sound like an endorsement of eugenics after WWII. Shock
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#32
He will ride the "Lame Horse" for all she is worth, and as long as possible. And when all is said and done, global cooling is the result of global warming, or so he will say.
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#33
John L Wrote:He will ride the "Lame Horse" for all she is worth, and as long as possible. And when all is said and done, global cooling is the result of global warming, or so he will say.

Regardless of how he plays it, I still think he'll be gone after for the trillion$ that are going into the carbon credit ponzi scheme. Moonbat activism is one thing. Financial cons are another. Has a former U.S. VP ever gone to prison?
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#34
mr_yak Wrote:
John L Wrote:He will ride the "Lame Horse" for all she is worth, and as long as possible. And when all is said and done, global cooling is the result of global warming, or so he will say.

Regardless of how he plays it, I still think he'll be gone after for the trillion$ that are going into the carbon credit ponzi scheme. Moonbat activism is one thing. Financial cons are another. Has a former U.S. VP ever gone to prison?

John Coleman has been talking about doing just that for over a month. And I believe I heard on Boortz, where the amount of contributions for his legal fees are mounting up substatially.

Wouldn't you just LOVE to see Algore having to attend court and prove that he is not guilty of Fraud? Nothing would hurt the AGW freaks more than a litigation, especially if it is public.
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#35
John L Wrote:
mr_yak Wrote:Apparently AlGore did not get the memo that the world's oceans are cooling.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story...d=88520025
http://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2006/sep...oling.html

Oh, it's just a "speed bump", that's all. S6
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Well...

As being a neutral in the climate controversy, I agree that this data is somewhat unexpected and we must wait and see until there is further data to say if this is significant or not.

The thing that sea levels actually have risen over the past years do not confirm the theory that oceans should have cooled (slightly), but there might be still other explanations that we don't know of.

Anyway, we know that the surface air is getting warmer. But if oceans are getting cooler at the same time that could quickly change...

/track_snake
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#36
As I have previously stated, and it is even discounted by other skeptics, the temperature of the oceans, especially Pacific Rim, is not only determined by the sun, but also the earth's inner core.

The sun is only capable of warming the ocean, just so far from the surface, which is only a very thin veneer. However, the quantity of under sea venting is totally unknown by humans, because we have not performed a detailed survey of the ocean's floor. Therefore, I am only taking a SWAG here, but it is only good common sense. The inner heat from the planet, is periodically warming the oceans, which also release heat into the atmosphere. And it only has to be a few degrees total. And remember, heat rises.

And unlike other celestial events, this may not be related to other influences from the solar system. However, that could also be wrong, because the constant gravitational tug of war between the sun and the planets are still there, to a minor extent. But that is why El Nino and La Nina are not exact, and tend to occur at different time line durations.

I will bet anyone that the amount and intensity of undersea venting is geometrically larger than vulcanism above sea level. After all the deep sea beds are thousands of metres closer to the earth's mantle, where all this heat and molten material originates. And the last I look at things, this has absolutely NOTHING to do with human interaction.
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track_snake Wrote:I agree that this data is somewhat unexpected

Only if you were a warmer a few months ago. To those of us on the skeptical side it is no surprise at all! We actually expected it and warned of it.

Is now a good time to say I TOLD YOU SO? Or should I wait for the May figures to come in?
As Gary Lloyd said, "When the government’s boot is on your throat, whether it is a left boot or a right boot is of no consequence."
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#38
scpg02 Wrote:
track_snake Wrote:I agree that this data is somewhat unexpected

Only if you were a warmer a few months ago. To those of us on the skeptical side it is no surprise at all! We actually expected it and warned of it.

Is now a good time to say I TOLD YOU SO? Or should I wait for the May figures to come in?

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#39
So now we're cooling down. But I was so looking forward to global warming and not having to use so much of that $5/gal home heating oil next winter.
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#40
scpg02 Wrote:
track_snake Wrote:I agree that this data is somewhat unexpected

Only if you were a warmer a few months ago. To those of us on the skeptical side it is no surprise at all! We actually expected it and warned of it.

Is now a good time to say I TOLD YOU SO? Or should I wait for the May figures to come in?
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Dear,

As you already know I am and always was neutral in relation to AGW as well as many other issues...

The May figures will show mixed feelings. Part of US as well as eastern and western Canada and southern Greenland and the most of Europe is right now warmer than normal while Nunavut province in Canada as well as mountain states in US (Montana, Colorado, Wyoming and Dakotas) and Russia's Arctic coast are colder than normal.

/track_snake
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