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Doctors group backs marijuana for medical uses
#81
How many alcoholics or cig smokers do this-
3 accused of using corpse head to smoke pot.
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#82
I saw that headline earlier, but was afraid to check it out, for fear of being "grossed" out. S6
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#83
Arm,

I don't know,I've burnt a few doobies and smoking one out of a dead man's head never entered my mind. I'm thinking those boys would have smoked Marlboro's out of the guy's head.
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#84
I'm thinking that if you're hanging around corpses that that's probably affecting your thoughts more than the pot.

You hear all sorts of bad stories. For example you hear (read) how in the US 100000 pot smokers per year are 'confessing' to being 'addicted' to pot. This is used as proof often that it's as addictive as cigarettes or heroin which of course is a joke (how many prostitutes are in the line of work to get their pot fix?).

When you dig deeper you find out that these people were arrested with small quantities and when the judge gives them a choice between a couple years in jail or completing addictions counseling, well you know what choice they make. When they get to addictions counseling they need to stand up and "admit" they are addicted to pot -- or they won’t pass the program and it's off to jail. Subsequently the stat is worse than inaccurate.

You also hear of people committing horrific crimes like forgetting their child in the bath tub while on the phone and being "high" on pot. When they are brought in front of a judge of course they blame the drugs and drug-paranoid justice system, (unless of course it's the big business pharmaceuticals which "aren't" mind/mood altering drugs -- hardy-har-har), goes along with the story -- in fact they encourage stories like that by simply allowing them to be used as a defense at all --- "I let my baby drown because I was high on pot". No one would get away with that if they said they were drunk, and if the judges didn't treat them differently for using that defense they wouldn't have dreamed of using it as an excuse.

....except we all know that TODAY -- just today, there will be how many people killed or injured by alcohol? Drunk driving? But we know in North America just today millions of people are going to smoke pot and how many of them are going to drown their kid or cause death or injury?

Cant keep it a secret either. There are a lot of wild stories about pot - which is a drug and it's not harmless -- but we need accurate info not fudged stats and wild stories that simply aren't backed up by statistics or reality.

Ahk
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#85
Quote:I think the reason MJ is illegal is because its hard for potheads to work a regular job,
Originally it became illegal during prohibition but was never 'reinstated'. Before that growing it (i think) became illegal because of some kind of business competition between hemp growers and pulp mills. Don't quite remember that one though.

Alcohol users "normal"? (different poster) -- Uhh. Ok. S1
If by "normal" you mean they often have an assault record then ok. I wouldnt call someone who has a couple beers at a BBQ an alcohol "user" though and I think the author here would be surprised at just how many "normal" full-time working professional people are pot smokers.

If it wasnt illegal or taboo this would be more evident. Lots of people at the water cooler talk about all the beer they drank the other night but few are going to talk about the pot they smoked.

Ahk
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#86
I had a clinical psychologist who lectured in my psych 101 class say he has parents who bring their kids in for counseling because they smoke weed.

He always asks the father do you drink alcohol to which they often answer yeah a couple beers in the evening to "take the edge off" or "calm down" after work.

Then he asks the mother if she uses anti-depressants to which she often answers yeah but that is different.

So he answers how would you like me to explain to your child that using one substance to alter your mood is okay and using the other is not?

When underage and living in Utah with its strict liquor laws it was easier to get weed than alcohol. Because the laws for possession in utah were more lax than Nevada you could traffic to Nevada and double your money on retail amounts.

I say legalize regulate and tax. Do you how much tax revenue is being lost to black market enterprises.
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#87
I could get acid or pot easier than beer as a teenager. Didn't drop the acid,but I have burned some weed! Enjoyed it,too!

I have been addicted to cigs,pot isn't remotely close.

It's sort of hard for me to figure out why the hysteria with pot,it simply is not as detrimental as cigarettes.

I'm with Ahk,de-criminalize,regulate and tax big time. As much as is smoked in the states,my guess is we close the deficit by say 2009!
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#88
Just for the record I'm not actually "for" complete legalization. Also as tempting as it is to commercially produce it and then tax it I don't think it'll work any better. You would still have this massive underground business infrastructure already in place to sell "bootleg".


If I could wave my magic wand and have everything work out the way *I* see it then what I would do is make possession of more than 1 ounce of weed a misdemeanor with a hefty fine. Something equal to drinking in public or the like. Then I would offer pot possession "licenses" that firstly assure us that a person in possession/use of pot is not a schizophrenic or under 18/21 (whatever the legal age is) and secondly allow a reliable means to extract 'sin' tax from it. A license holder may then grow/possess their own pot legally. All you need to smoke pot legally would be a $20-40/year license. Like fishing.

In this manner I believe you get best of both worlds. The state can still exert control on the traffic/possession of what is admittedly, (-- regardless of whether I've used it before (S1 )--), a controlled substance/drug. People who abuse the right can still be charged. Bootlegging or illegal trafficking could still carry a heavy penalty. So heavy that while so many people would be licensed to grow it themselves it would become bad business instead of an acceptable business risk.

Legalizing possession of small amounts and licensing for personal growing or possession of pot provides:

1. A reliable means to both control and tax simultaneously.
2. removes federal charges that many in the pro-legalize/de-criminalize crowd consider to be greatly exaggerated and detrimental to society.
3. Removes the incentive of the multi-billion dollar pot business to continue in it's present form. Profit would be way down -- consequences of getting caught would remain almost the same. Becomes bad business instead of a cash-cow.
4. Finally - it's cheap. No more millions of $ every year to run around tracking down pot smokers/dealers or to control the traffic: You just sit with a couple gov't employees in your DMV or similar institution and wait for them to come to you with all their prevalent info for a license.


Anyways, just my 2 cents.
Ahk
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#89
Ahk,

If it were de-criminalized as John L suggests,I think the cost would plunge and make bootleggers only good for under aged kids. Then,we could concentrate on them law enforcement wise.

Actually,under age beer sales where I live aren't from bootleggers,it's just dishonest store owners or adults who buy for kids,that won't ever change totally.
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#90
Is there a kind of "breatholzyer" for pot? I think one would be needed to see whether a teen driver was driving under the influence. There are a discouraging number of deaths due to teens drinking and driving, even though alcohol is illegal for them.

If such an easy test for pot inebriation exists, then perhaps Akh's plan is a good one. I would only add that the fine for possession should increase with the amount of pot possessed by the lawbreaking individual. Perhaps incarceration is reasonable for vast amounts.
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#91
Here is a classic example of what the War On Drugs is doing to innocent citizens, and how it threatens YOUR Liberties.

You really should read this entire article. If completely true, it is a complete travesty of justice, and tyranny/police state tactics of the most heinous kind.


Quote:Prince George's raid prompts call for probe

When the shooting stopped, two dogs lay dead. A mayor sat in his boxers, hands bound behind his back. His handcuffed mother-in-law was sprawled on the kitchen floor, lying beside the body of one of the family pets that police had killed before her eyes.

After the raid, Prince George's County police officials who burst into the home of Berwyn Heights' mayor last week seized the same unopened package of marijuana that an undercover officer had delivered an hour earlier.

What police left behind was a house stained with blood and a trail of questions about their conduct. No other evidence of illegal activity was found, and no one was arrested at Mayor Cheye Calvo's home in this small bedroom community near College Park.

No appology has been offered by the police.
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#92
There is a larger problem in this event and similar ones. WHY is it legal for cops to bust into a house like this?

That's the problem. Only if they have reasonable idea of imminent harm to someone should this be tolerated.

The courts have allowed cops here to conduct themselves like Nazis in tactics to an extent, to put it bluntly.
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#93
The resolution is simple and saves billions of dollars annually.

STOP THE WAR ON DRUGS!

We have already lost, so give it up and get Practical.
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#94
I agree,but drugs is not the only cause needs re-examination,we do not need police busting in houses,period.
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#95
I would like to hear a follow up on this. It sounds like excessive force. As Palladin asks, was due process followed in the forced entry? And, why was there forced entry in the first place? As I understand it, RICO can work in a similar way, so it is not just the "war on drugs".

Fundamental rights of citizens and the enforcement of due process of law are the real issues here.
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#96
jt Wrote:I would like to hear a follow up on this. It sounds like excessive force. As Palladin asks, was due process followed in the forced entry? And, why was there forced entry in the first place? As I understand it, RICO can work in a similar way, so it is not just the "war on drugs".

Fundamental rights of citizens and the enforcement of due process of law are the real issues here.

Of course it's not just drugs. However, most of this is to be found within the WOD. Many local, state, and federal agencies use this as an excuse to confiscate property, and money, some of it from innocent people, and a good deal of it from people casually using drugs, and not harming anyone. This is totally out of control, and the only way to stop this is to admit that we have lost the war.

And I do not use drugs, other than a beer or glass of wine, and prescription drugs, prescribed for my health.
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#97
Here's another interesting use for medical marijuana: Pets on Pot: The Newest Customer Base for Medical Marijuana.

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