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Doctors group backs marijuana for medical uses
#61
I'm not a doctor (and I dont play one on TV), but from my experience MJ should remain illegal.
Every heavy MJ user I have known has been a dumbass. While heavy cigarette and alcohol users seem normal.
There are medical uses, I admit, so perhaps it could be prescribed.

I have never used any drugs and I do not drink. So it certainly is possible to live without either.
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#62
yeah. I actually heard that there's reserech going into taking the addictive qualities and the bad side effects out of Marijnia.

All for the pratical medical purposes without having to worry about addicts and the like.

I don't know if there's any vaildity to that, but I hope it's true. After all it sounds like a good idea to me.

Then this whole thing would be a non-issue. the illegal type would stay illegal, while the ones created by the government/companies would be legal.
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#63
Anonymous24 Wrote:I'm a pathologically addictive personality, unfortunately. Pretty much anythng, including alcohol, caffeine, etc.

Though, I've never been addicted to 'adrenaline', at least not the kind that comes from putting yourself in physically dangerous, or seemingly physically dangerous, situations. I'm even afraid of rollercoasters.

Adrenaline is perhaps one of the strongest drugs around. The jolt is immediate, and intense, causing the heart to accellerate uncontrolably. Every time someone pulls out in front of you, or you barely miss serious injury, your nervous system immediately floods you with this powerful drug. The human body would have a hard time surviving adrenaline if it had the half-life of such things a cocaine, or morphine.
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Armadillo Wrote:I'm not a doctor (and I dont play one on TV), but from my experience MJ should remain illegal.
Every heavy MJ user I have known has been a dumbass. While heavy cigarette and alcohol users seem normal.
There are medical uses, I admit, so perhaps it could be prescribed.

I have never used any drugs and I do not drink. So it certainly is possible to live without either.

As Committee Group commander at Ft Jackson after returning from Korea, I took a set of classes given by the U of South Carolina head of Pharmacology because I was CG "Drug Abuse Officer". One of the things we covered was MJ, and how it affects the maturation process of adolescents.

On mature adults, it is quite benign, but with adolescents, it definately stunts the ability to mature normally. I can almost always tell if a young person has been a heavy pot smoker. It's subtle, but quite noticable if you are on the lookout for it.

However, the most dangerous drugs are the CNS(Central Nervous System) Stimulants, and amphetamines are very dangerous to the user, and potentially to strangers. Heavy use of amphetamines tend to cause acute parionoic schizophrenia, and can lead to the heavy user doing violence to complete strangers, because they tend to hear voices telling them that someone is going to harm them, and must be taken out. It does happen.
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#65
Quote:I'm not a doctor (and I dont play one on TV), but from my experience MJ should remain illegal.
Every heavy MJ user I have known has been a dumbass. While heavy cigarette and alcohol users seem normal.
There are medical uses, I admit, so perhaps it could be prescribed.

Alcohol and cigarettes are physically much more dangerous than pot. I think the reason MJ is illegal is because its hard for potheads to work a regular job, whereas most people who consume alcohol and the vast majority of people who smoke can continue functioning in society.
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Anonymous24 Wrote:
Quote:I'm not a doctor (and I dont play one on TV), but from my experience MJ should remain illegal.
Every heavy MJ user I have known has been a dumbass. While heavy cigarette and alcohol users seem normal.
There are medical uses, I admit, so perhaps it could be prescribed.

Alcohol and cigarettes are physically much more dangerous than pot. I think the reason MJ is illegal is because its hard for potheads to work a regular job, whereas most people who consume alcohol and the vast majority of people who smoke can continue functioning in society.

I don't agree. Alcohol, taken in moderate amounts have been proven to be good for humans. It is in the relm of misuse that it is bad. And cigarettes are not good for us, in the long run. However, the harm varies from person to person.

But I can tell you with all honesty, MJ is harmful to adolescents(mentally, not physically), and that is why they should not be using it until becoming an adult.
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#67
What part don't you agree with?
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#68
Anonymous24 Wrote:What part don't you agree with?

the first sentence, "Alcohol and cigarettes are physically much more dangerous than pot.".
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#69
They are. Alcohol rots your liver amongst other things. It also leads to far more violence and physical accidents than pot. And I don't even have to list the physical damage that cigarettes cause.
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Anonymous24 Wrote:They are. Alcohol rots your liver amongst other things. It also leads to far more violence and physical accidents than pot. And I don't even have to list the physical damage that cigarettes cause.
How much beer does it take to rot your liver vs how much MJ does it take to rot your brain.
How many cigarettes does it take to rot your lugs vs how much MJ does it take to rot your brain.
In these comparisons I believe MJ is more harmful.
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#71
I guess it's time to whip out the links to the reserech about alcohol.

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/alcohol/SC00024

Quote:Health benefits
Moderate alcohol consumption may provide some health benefits. It may:

Reduce your risk of developing heart disease, peripheral vascular disease and intermittent claudication
Reduce your risk of dying of a heart attack
Possibly reduce your risk of strokes, particularly ischemic strokes
Lower your risk of gallstones
Possibly reduce your risk of diabetes

http://www2.potsdam.edu/hansondj/HealthI...61918.html

http://www.health.com/health/article/0,2...37,00.html

http://www.healthmad.com/Health/The-Heal...ohol.77945
Quote:Beer: HealthMad > Health
Bottoms Up: What Your Favorite Beverage Can Do for You


by B. Radley, Jan 28, 2008

Here's what your favorite beverage can do for you.
"Beer, if drank in moderation, softens the temper, cheers the spirit, and promotes health." - Thomas Jefferson
Studies show that moderate drinkers are generally healthier than those who do not drink and those who drink excessively. Research indicates that moderate alcohol consumers have fewer heart attacks and strokes and have less incidence of conditions such as high blood pressure, peripheral artery disease, cognitive disorders such Alzheimer's and Parkinson's disease, diabetes, arthritis, osteoporosis, kidney stones, digestive ailments, stress and depression, hepatitis A, pancreatic cancer, gallstones, liver disease, etc. The list goes on.

Here's what your favorite beverage can do for you. Remember, moderation is the key.

Beer:

Heart Disease: In 1999, the University of Texas at Dallas reported that those who drink moderate amounts of alcohol are less likely to suffer from coronary heart disease by 30-40%, compared to those who don't drink at all.

Vitamin B6: Beer provides a 30% increase in vitamin B6 into the blood plasma -- something that neither wine nor any other liquor can do - which prevents the build-up of the amino acid homocysteine. People with high levels of homocysteine are usually more prone to an early onset of heart and vascular disease.

Stroke: In November of 1999, The New England Journal of Medicine stated that those who drank beer moderately were 20 % less likely to suffer a stroke.

Bones: Research at King's College and St Thomas's Hospital in London because beer is one of the richest sources of silicon, one pint a day supplies a person with 20% of the average daily intake of silicon, which may be one of the most effective ways for young people to help keep their bones strong

Relaxation: Beer has a relaxing effect on the body, resulting in less stress and better sleep patterns.

Elderly: It has been proven that beer helps promote blood vessel dilation, sleep, and urination, particularly among the elderly.

Vokada: Disinfectant: Doctor Valery Myakin, head doctor in Moscow's Narkolog rehabilitation center, says vodka can be used as a disinfectant, since it is essentially diluted alcohol. He says that when doctors or medical supplies are not within reach, vodka might be a more readily available alternative to treat a wound.

Fever: Since alcohol evaporates faster than water, a fever could be reduced by rubbing vodka onto one's body.

Blood Vessels: Doctor Myakin said that up to 50 grams of vodka a day can actually be beneficial: “Small amounts of quality vodka can help prevent atherosclerosis,” he said. Atherosclerosis is a disease that affects our arterial blood vessels.

Stomach Sensitivities: Because vodka is so highly distilled, consuming it in small doses could tackle conditions such as thrush, candida and irritable bowel syndrome.

Hangovers: One scientific analysis found that vodka had only a small fraction of the content of the toxic alcohol methanol. This, combined with the fact that vodka has virtually no colouring or flavouring chemicals, reduces your chances of getting a bad hangover.

Gin: HealthMad > Health
Bottoms Up: What Your Favorite Beverage Can Do for You


by B. Radley, Jan 28, 2008

Here's what your favorite beverage can do for you.
"Beer, if drank in moderation, softens the temper, cheers the spirit, and promotes health." - Thomas Jefferson
Studies show that moderate drinkers are generally healthier than those who do not drink and those who drink excessively. Research indicates that moderate alcohol consumers have fewer heart attacks and strokes and have less incidence of conditions such as high blood pressure, peripheral artery disease, cognitive disorders such Alzheimer's and Parkinson's disease, diabetes, arthritis, osteoporosis, kidney stones, digestive ailments, stress and depression, hepatitis A, pancreatic cancer, gallstones, liver disease, etc. The list goes on.

Here's what your favorite beverage can do for you. Remember, moderation is the key.

Beer:

Heart Disease: In 1999, the University of Texas at Dallas reported that those who drink moderate amounts of alcohol are less likely to suffer from coronary heart disease by 30-40%, compared to those who don't drink at all.

Vitamin B6: Beer provides a 30% increase in vitamin B6 into the blood plasma -- something that neither wine nor any other liquor can do - which prevents the build-up of the amino acid homocysteine. People with high levels of homocysteine are usually more prone to an early onset of heart and vascular disease.

Stroke: In November of 1999, The New England Journal of Medicine stated that those who drank beer moderately were 20 % less likely to suffer a stroke.

Bones: Research at King's College and St Thomas's Hospital in London because beer is one of the richest sources of silicon, one pint a day supplies a person with 20% of the average daily intake of silicon, which may be one of the most effective ways for young people to help keep their bones strong

Relaxation: Beer has a relaxing effect on the body, resulting in less stress and better sleep patterns.

Elderly: It has been proven that beer helps promote blood vessel dilation, sleep, and urination, particularly among the elderly.

Vodka

Disinfectant: Doctor Valery Myakin, head doctor in Moscow's Narkolog rehabilitation center, says vodka can be used as a disinfectant, since it is essentially diluted alcohol. He says that when doctors or medical supplies are not within reach, vodka might be a more readily available alternative to treat a wound.

Fever: Since alcohol evaporates faster than water, a fever could be reduced by rubbing vodka onto one's body.

Blood Vessels: Doctor Myakin said that up to 50 grams of vodka a day can actually be beneficial: “Small amounts of quality vodka can help prevent atherosclerosis,” he said. Atherosclerosis is a disease that affects our arterial blood vessels.

Stomach Sensitivities: Because vodka is so highly distilled, consuming it in small doses could tackle conditions such as thrush, candida and irritable bowel syndrome.

Hangovers: One scientific analysis found that vodka had only a small fraction of the content of the toxic alcohol methanol. This, combined with the fact that vodka has virtually no colouring or flavouring chemicals, reduces your chances of getting a bad hangover.

Gin

Preventing water retention: The juniper berries, found in gin, have a diuretic action, which results in the likelihood of passing more water. Juniper berries were originally used as a herbal remedy for diseases of kidneys and liver.

Arteries: Researchers discovered that drinking moderate amounts of gin could reduce inflammation in the blood, which has been linked to artery-clogging plaque buildup and heart disease.

Arthritis: The consumption of homemade gin-soaked raisins has become a popular folk remedy for arthritis. It's not scientifically clear how or why it works, but many people swear it relieves arthritis pain. It involves pouring raisins into a bowl and letting them soak in gin for about two weeks. Roughly nine of these raisins are to be eaten each day to help with arthritis pain.

Whiskey:Cells: Whiskey contains plant compounds which protect the body's healthy cells. These come from the oak barrels in which whisky is stored during maturation.

Heart Disease: A study in the British Medical Journal found that in small doses , whiskey could help protect against heart disease, strokes and cataracts.

Cancer: In 2005, a scientific conference in Glasgow revealed that the ellagic acid found in whiskey could help fight cancer. This acid, which is also found in soft fruit, supposedly absorbs rogue cells in the body.

Sleep: Whiskey as a hot toddy is often recommended by doctors to help induce sleep.

Sore throat: It is believed that adding a spoon of honey and lemon to whiskey can help soothe a sore throat.

Sherry--
Arteries: According to scientists at the University of Seville, sherry contains polyphenols, which is believed to reduce the risk of coronary artery disease.

Cholesterol: Sherry increases the body's production of "good" cholesterol, which helps the body get rid of potentially harmful cholesterol.

Brandy--
Vitamin C: Because of the high level of antioxidants produced during the distilling process, scientists claim that 30ml of good brandy would give the equivalent antioxidant potential as the daily recommended intake of vitamin C.

Heart Attacks: French research has shown that a regular dose of brandy can reduce the potential of heart attacks and clots from occurring.

Guinness--
Heart Disease: Researchers at the University of Wisconsin found that because Guinness contains antioxidants - similar to those found in fruit and vegetables - a daily pint of Guinness with a meal reduces the chances of cardiac attacks, as well as heart clots.

Wine--
Heart Disease: Research shows that red wine is beneficial to your heart health. It is believed that the antioxidants present in the skin and seeds of red grapes provide protection to the heart.

Cancer: Research scientists in North Carolina discovered a chemical found in red wine which helps to fight cancer. The chemical, called trans-Resveratrol, is found in grapes, mulberries, raspberries, peanuts, muscadine grapes, including scuppernongs, and many other fruits and nuts.

Joints: According to studies at the University of Milan, white wine contains tyrosol and caffeic acid, which partially suppress the inflammatory reaction that occurs in conditions such as rheumatoid arthritis.

Japanese researchers found that while grape juice has antioxidative benefits similar to wine, it does not significantly lower LDL cholesterol levels compared to red wine.

Cinder--
Iron: Scientists suggest that a pint of cider, sweet or dry, supplies a person with one fifth of the recommended daily allowance of iron. Vintage cider has slightly less.

It is worth emphasizing the importance of moderation when discussing the benefits of alcohol consumption. Most researchers in the field define moderation as one or two servings per day. Over-consumption of alcohol can be detrimental to one's physical and mental health. If you don't drink now, don't' start.
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#72
"Remember, moderation is the key."



I scheem to have lousht the key.
I know you think you understand what you thought I said,
but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant!
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#73
John,

Your education concerning marijuana logically screams out make it legal and control it's sale as we do beer. It's a lot harder to get a legal drug illegally such as oxycontin(and way more expensive) than it is an illegal drug such as marijuana. IMO. The marijuana purveyor has no ethical or moral hurdles,a doctor does even when he violates them repetitively. Both have the same legal hurdles.

Also,I find it odd that most folks,left,middle and right view outlawing something as placing either a physical restriction to accessing it or the state making the case it is validly "immoral". I never understood those who viewed a state as God,but most Americans apparently do.

I see marijuana smoking as wrong morally(akin to drunkeness),but not because George Bush enforces laws saying it is illegal to sell and possess. No more than if George started arresting Americans for drinking beer,same difference.
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#74
I'd smoke MJ if it was legal. But only for my migraines and if it didn't help I'd stop.

I realize I could get a medical MJ prescription here in CA, but that's not the same as it being legal. It just means CA won't prosecute me. The Feds still could.

I figure when I'm old I'll smoke it for fun. You know, when I only have a few years left anyway, what does it matter what I do to my body?
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#75
Pixmeister,

It has very low physical negatives in moderate usage anyway. Weighed between positives and negatives pharmacologically,the worst attribute of a joint is the tar and nicotine it has!

This from a Harvard professor who spent his entire adult life studying the affects of it. He said alcohol and cigarettes are far more detriminetal to the human body assuming you use it moderately.

The government has largely succeeded in convincing most Americans marijuana is as dangerous as meth and cocaine or at the very least leads us into those more dangerous drugs. It's a lie.

The researcher found the drug every drug addict uses first is cigarettes,not marijuana.

Watch propaganda techniques on this and see. A guy will be arrested for some violent crime and they will report he was smoking pot and heavy drinking and leave the ignorant with the impression the pot assisted the violent impulse. Anyone(like me) who has done both can speak to this with authority. Pot reduces violent urges,alcohol is like giving a male steroids to his anger.

Government agents KNOW this,but the policy since the 1920s has been to view marijuana as extremely dangerous and "disgusting" and as such,they won't ever chage and it appears to me that it would be political stupidity to change as well reading the comments here. Everyone assumes outlawing pot means less pot and thus less drug addiction.

I guess we'd really have us a drug problem if it weren't for the goverment telling us this stuff is bad and outlawed,just like liquor in 1920! Really worked back then,prohibition!
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#76
Wait Patrick. Regular MJ users are less than violent. It is the alcohol user who is far more violent, because it affects inhibitions differently.
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#77
The worst side effects of MJ are enjoying food, laughing a lot and falling asleep. Oooo I'm scared!
As Gary Lloyd said, "When the government’s boot is on your throat, whether it is a left boot or a right boot is of no consequence."
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#78
I supplied Mj to my mom when she was getting chemo. Helped her feel a little better in her dieing days.

The cops would have had to taze me to arrest me.
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#79
As a true Classic Liberal, I believe the authorities have no business or right to keep you from doing what you wish to your body. It IS your body, not theirs, don't you know. The war on drugs has been a colossal failure, costing us billions of dollars annually, and for what end?

There has to be a better way. I favour decriminalization of drugs, not legalization, and holding people responsible for their actions. Get the State out of things, unless drugs are misused and do harm to others. Then come down on the offender like a ton of bricks.

Oh, and show no mercy on any adult, who sells or gives drugs to adolescents, PERIOD!
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#80
scp,

Moderate use,I agree,eating too much at night is the worst sideaffect of marijuana there is. Laughing too much at stupid jokes is also very "disgusting" and dangerous,we likely have been saved from communism/Islamism due to the outlawing of weed.

I don't know how many vices I would have if not for our government making them illegal,I'd probably be chewing some crystal meth right now. Thanks for that GW!

Seriously,these people who view the government as God are deluded,it isn't. I know some Christians who would outlaw beer sales because they think it's wrong. That wrongheaded thinking is harmful to them and society.

It doesn't matter if it is wrong(I don't think alcohol is personally),personal freedom is always more important than allowing other flawed humans to dictate to adults what we may do so long as we are not predatory on other.
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