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Hey Quadrat
#21
The ratio pedophiles amongst the homosexual population probably is not much different from that of heterosexuals and, you are correct, pedophilia is no worse today than it was in the past; the major distinction being that pedophiles are now being held accountable for their misdeeds, something that has been long overdue.
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#22
Quote:So, should we therefore ignore it?


Queried Stroll. To which I can only advise: Never underestimate the capacity for perversion by the human species.

Then the Bi-cycle :twisted: observed:

Quote:the major distinction being that pedophiles are now being held accountable for their misdeeds


That's the language of political advocacy, "hold accountable" with all the frummery such expression brings with it. Where there is cash you will find all sorts of "emotional damage" claims, not to mention fantasies. One wonders where all of these advocates are when one simply asserts the need to respect the integrity of the family as the essential unit for the transmission of positive values? Where virtue is derided consistently, why the surprise when vice is purportedly discovered?
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#23
Lawyers practicing in most Canadian provinces are not permitted contingency fees. The majority of perpetrators and their victims lack the funds necessary to undertake litigation; therefore, ‘”hold accountable” usually means a lengthy term of imprisonment.
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#24
Had a couple of high profile pedophile cases recently. One Canadian managed to escape from here but was arrestet on arrival in Toronto, I wonder why so many Canadians sexually abuse children?
As we know, pedophily is just another business, the money found literally on the streets,
http://www.pattayapeople.com/default.asp...ticle=8181
Quote:(Thai) Man Pimps for Foreign Paedophiles

On 30th October, Ms. Nattarika Phanvanichphong, aged 39, took her 8 year old boy named “A” to Pattaya Police Station to notify them that “A” had been sexually molested by a foreign man.

It was discovered that on the evening of 27th October the parents went out shopping and left the boy at home. After a while the boy decided to follow his parents but got lost. Whilst walking around the streets he met 24 year old Yotsapan who started to chat with him and after gaining his confidence took the boy back to his room to give him food. What “A” didn’t realise was that Yotsapan was not all what he seemed to be. When they arrived at the shop house on Soi Saethei, they were welcomed by a Mr. Frank who forced the boy to take amphetamines and after watching pornography together, the man sexually abused the young boy. Afterwards, Yotsapan took the young boy to Soi Sunee Plaza in an attempt to find another customer, but fortunately “A” ran away and made his way home.
Better yet this elderly Englishman making headlines some ten days ago,
http://www.pattayamail.com/current/news.shtml#hd8
Quote:The Tourist Police have arrested a British man on charges of molesting a 14-year-old boy, and officers were astonished to find that the man’s room contained what they said was more than 40,000 photos of naked boys.

Alan Charles Mawson (center) was arrested on charges of molesting an underage boy.
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Investigations having revealed that a man was paying boys 400 baht a time for sexual favors at his room on Soi Buakhao, police obtained a search warrant from Pattaya Provincial Court on October 23. At 6 p.m. on the same day a team of officers led by Pol Lt Col Suwan Un-Anan, inspector at the Tourist Police Center Section 4 entered the premises.
In the room were a 14-year-old boy and a 74-year-old British man named Alan Charles Mawson. On searching the room, the officers found an enormous quantity of pornographic material, consisting of 104 albums of pictures, one large package of videos, and a large quantity of CDs. Six cameras were also found.
Mawson has been charged with molesting a child under 15 years of age, whether consenting or not. He denied the charges, saying that he only paid the boys 400 baht to take pictures of them, and asked the boys to perform masturbation for him. The boy found in the room has, however, stated that Mawson performed anal sex with him.
Read in yesterday's paper the opinion of an outraged reader who spotted the Englishman the day after his arrest in his condominium again, pursuing business as usual. Out on bail, I guess.

A question comes to my mind... First, my opinion about this whole pedophily issue isn't exactly left, I'd stress the "prostitute" in the term "child prostitute" and believe, people, children also, are responsible for themselves and their actions.
I'm a bit puzzled about you people, who demand harsh punishment for pedophiles alledgedly in order to protect children. Okay, but why do you care to protect street kids halfway around the world, while you are against healthcare for children in your own nation, and happily tolerate poverty for children which is an important reason that pedophiles find victims and child prostitutes in the first place, in your own country?
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#25
He was actually arrested in Vancouver.
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#26
The Q went philosophical on us and pondered:
Quote:A question comes to my mind... First, my opinion about this whole paedophilia issue isn't exactly Left, I'd stress the "prostitute" in the term "child prostitute" and believe, people, children also, are responsible for themselves and their actions.
I'm a bit puzzled about you people, who demand harsh punishment for paedophiles, allegedly in order to protect children. Okay, but why do you care to protect street kids halfway around the world, while you are against health-care for children in your own nation, and happily tolerate poverty for children, which is an important reason that paedophiles find victims and child prostitutes in the first place, in your own country?

Guess what Q, in the absence of clarity in thought for the sake of elaborating politically correct rationalizations, both truth and logic become the initial victims. In terms of simple Natural Science, sex has only one function procreation. All other activities involving the titillation of organic reactions become the function of social exigencies. Let us just look at the contradictions in the definition of prostitution. Would not the sale of one's body for photographic imagery in the creation of pornography constitute but a facet in the prostitution crystal? Think that one through and then make judgments on the basis of degrees and opportunities.
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#27
Sex with hand relaxes and enables to fall asleep. Never thought about procreation. Does that give bodily posititive reactions or special sensual experiences?
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#28
Onan is that you?
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#29
You know this will turn you blind, according to the bible, don't you? 8)
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#30
stroll Wrote:You know this will turn you blind, according to the bible, don't you? 8)

Please show us where in the scriptures it states this. Existing in your brain does not count sTroll?

Trolling again? Wink1
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#31
Please, John, do not mention trollling or someone will bring up those #@%&*! dolphins!
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#32
drgonzaga Wrote:Please, John, do not mention trollling or someone will bring up those #@%&*! dolphins!

Here try this.

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#33
MeThinks Stroll takes traditional jokes as substitute for Biblical Scripture
rather readily.

Let's look at it this way,here I am,an east Tennessee hillbilly,admittedly not educated well,cheated to escape failing HS on my final exams(algebra II to be exact).

I don't like communism,but in order to understand it and feel confident criticizing it,even I READ The Communist Manifesto.

Here we have the self appointed critic of Judeo-Christian Scripture and culture(which his nation pre Hitler was predicated upon and was above average THEN),Stroll, the German of highest learning,who opines upon a freaking masturbation JOKE common among men when discussing porn,etc as if it were Biblical Scripture.

This "learned man" opines W/O taking the intellectual journey I did vis a vis communism.

I think we have arrogance and ignorance mixed here for our enjoyment.
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#34
Swirl face was sentenced yesterday to a service of three years and three months. I think that's appropriate, the obsession and hysteria with pedophily has gone a bit too far. How can it be that in some countries them folks are jailed for decades, while somebody who clubbed and crippled a youngster of that age can get away with probation? Damage and punishment must be proportionate.

http://www.bangkokpost.com/topstories/to...?id=129647
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WarBicycle Wrote:The ratio pedophiles among the homosexual population probably is not much different from that of heterosexuals and, you are correct, pedophilia is no worse today than it was in the past; the major distinction being that pedophiles are now being held accountable for their misdeeds, something that has been long overdue.

Agreed, and well said.

Just because it has been going on in the past before, doesn't mean we should ignore it now.

Corny as it sounds, the children today is really the adults of the future. Think of your own children who might have an run-in with those abused children in the future. It's a well known that an percentage of those abused children grow up to be killers, future pedophiles, and or people with mental illnesses because nobody did nothing and didn't even try to help those children.
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quadrat Wrote:Swirl face was sentenced yesterday to a service of three years and three months. I think that's appropriate, the obsession and hysteria with pedophile has gone a bit too far. How can it be that in some countries them folks are jailed for decades, while somebody who clubbed and crippled a youngster of that age can get away with probation? Damage and punishment must be proportionate.

http://www.bangkokpost.com/topstories/to...?id=129647

Gee, you think? :"disgusting":

let's think of this logically. What he did was akin to rape. Now Q, I'm not sure if you know this, but Rape victims often have to live with the trauma for the rest of their lives. Yes, some manage to start living normally again but they can never truly "Get over it and move on".
Rape often creates new deep-seated phobias, and even creates sleep problems along with some health problems for the victims. It's something that follows them for the rest of their life.

So pedophiles who have sexually abused those children, just like rapists, have pretty much scarred those children for life to the point where it's going to take years and years of therapy before they can even feel normal again. They effectively took away those children's lives in that sense.

So to me it's perfectly reasonable that just like Murderers, rapists and pedophiles get life in prison.

three years and three months is way too short a prison term for what he did not only to that poor boy, but to the other boys that he took photographs of.

And yes, sometimes the Justice system is screwed up. I do agree though that in your example where an criminal crippled an teenager for life, he should had gotten a much more severe punishment than that too.
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Aurora Moon Wrote:Corny as it sounds, the children today is really the adults of the future. Think of your own children who might have an run-in with those abused children in the future. It's a well known that an percentage of those abused children grow up to be killers, future pedophiles, and or people with mental illnesses because nobody did nothing and didn't even try to help those children.
Aurora, you are wrong. There are studies that prove that sexual abuse of children increases their risk to catch some mental abnormalities only insignificantly. Worse is physical abuse, beating them up and such. Seldom a case for prosecution, mild sentences. Worst for the psyche of kids is separation of the parents at a young age, followed by a great collection of new papas or mamas. No case for prosecution. Worse still are of course genetic predispositions. If there's something wrong with papa abusing his baby kid, is it rather the experience that makes the kid go mad twenty or so years later, or the inherited set of genes?
Google yourself if you want to learn more.
It's just an arbitrary cultural thing of the last decades, and different in each single country.
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#38
"worse is psychical abuse"....

So you wouldn't say an innocent child's entry area being ripped apart rather painfully by perpetration is psychical abuse?

in most cases, when an child has been sexually assaulted there's often bruising around the crotch, and the butt areas. the only pedophiles who have planned on long-term contact with an child and or is very careful about not getting caught would be "gentle" and even use lube/other preparation. And, depending on how young the child is such forced entry can also lend to internal damage.

Ever heard about that sicko who entered an innocent toddler and took away her ability to reproduce because the internal damage was so great?

So sorry to tell you, I think that definitely qualifies as psychical abuse too. S6

You fail.
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#39
Pardon my ignorance, but how did he "creat a swirl" to elude officials?
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John L Wrote:Pardon my ignorance, but how did he "creat a swirl" to elude officials?

it was in the pictures of over 12 boys that he sexually abused and posted pictures of online.. he was in them with those boys.. and he created swirls over his face in an attempt to prevent being found out.

didn't work.
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