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Turkey, Iraq in 'Kurd rebel deal'
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Jawad Bolani
Iraqi interior minister
Quote:An enemy of the Turkish people and democracy in Turkey is an enemy of the Iraqi people and democracy in Iraq

Turkey, Iraq in 'Kurd rebel deal'
Turkey and Iraq have agreed on a deal to allow Turkish forces to cross into Iraq to pursue Kurdish rebels, media reports say.
A security accord would be signed on Thursday, an Iraqi official confirmed.

Turkey has warned Iraq to crack down on the Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK) within its borders or face a possible incursion by Turkish troops.

Tens of thousands of people have died in the insurgency, including at least 80 Turkish troops this year.

'Hot pursuit'


A deal was hammered out in talks between Iraqi Interior Minister Jawad Bolani and his Turkish counterpart Besir Atalay in the Turkish capital, Ankara.

Iraqi and Turkish officials confirmed the agreement would be signed on Thursday, but would not elaborate on the details.

Local Turkish television station NTV reported that under the accord, Turkish forces could cross into Iraq for small-scale "hot-pursuit" operations to chase the armed rebels after seeking permission from Iraqi authorities.

"The security agreement covers many issues related to the extradition of wanted suspects and activating security co-operation," Mr Bolani said.

"An enemy of the Turkish people and democracy in Turkey is an enemy of the Iraqi people and democracy in Iraq."


Turkey says about 4,000 PKK fighters are in Iraq's north.

In August, the two countries signed a memorandum of understanding on security, agreeing to "expend all efforts" to oust the fighters from Iraqi Kurdistan.

The PKK has been labelled a terrorist organisation by Turkey, the US and the EU.

It has been fighting for an ethnic homeland since 1984 in an area covering parts of Turkey, Iraq, Syria and Iran.

Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/mi...014800.stm
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#2
Kamil,

If the PKK guys just up and leave,what is Turkey then going to do? That's what I don't understand here. Our enemy in Iraq doesn't just stand and fight,why would the PKK be such idiots to?

Why wouldn't they just leave their AK at home,put on a new shirt and pants and let the Turks come and go,then resume the past conduct?
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#3
Well looks like this news in BBC was premature. It seems like Iraq is requesting for notification of Baghdat and Kurdish Peshmerges before they will allow hot pursuit of PKK Terrorist.
Perhaps Turkey should let some Arabs set a camp in the Turkish Border who would like to attack Kurdish Establishments in N. Iraq and run to Turkey after the attack.

Palladin, the PKK Terrorist are not welcomed in their villages, if they come to rest there almost immediately somebody notifies the authorities. Therefore they have to set up camps where everybody is terrorist, even in these isolated camps there are many informers and occasional assasinations of their leaders occur.
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Palladin Wrote:Kamil,

If the PKK guys just up and leave,what is Turkey then going to do? That's what I don't understand here. Our enemy in Iraq doesn't just stand and fight,why would the PKK be such idiots to?

Why wouldn't they just leave their AK at home,put on a new shirt and pants and let the Turks come and go,then resume the past conduct?

Presumably, "hot pursuit" means just that, pursuit after a crime/incident. It does not mean "a fishing expedition" into Iraq with no provocation and search houses, etc. Thus the PPK chaps involved in a hot pursuit would have to scurry rapidly to go home, hide the AK47 and don civies, not so easy to do. So, if this is what the deal is, i.e. hot pursuit is allowed, and only hot pursuit, then I think it is a good treaty between Iraq and Turkey. It will defuse some of the tension.
Jefferson: I place economy among the first and important virtues, and public debt as the greatest of dangers. To preserve our independence, we must not let our rulers load us with perpetual debt. We must make our choice between economy and liberty, or profusion and servitude. If we can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of caring for them, they will be happy.
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#5
Kamil,

I sort of assumed they would flee to their homes or to a larger area where they could not be ratted out like that.
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#6
Looks like we're working together on this situation more,though I think the abilities of the U2 are exaggerated here:

HERE
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#7
Quite a sensible response by the US.
Jefferson: I place economy among the first and important virtues, and public debt as the greatest of dangers. To preserve our independence, we must not let our rulers load us with perpetual debt. We must make our choice between economy and liberty, or profusion and servitude. If we can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of caring for them, they will be happy.
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#8
Because the Syrian conflict Turkey and Kurdistan (we can almost call it like that already) came to an odd alliance.

The Syrian civil war is extending its efect on the whole region, underlining ethnic borders.

Maliki supports Assad because he is shiite. Turkey support the rebels. Kurds who are no friends of the rebels support the rebels anyway because they are even less friend of Maliki and Assad.

Now Turkey supports the Kurds because they support the rebels.

Finaly for Turkey it may be a good deal to support the Kurds abroad, and have their Kurdish state in the countries of thos they don't like (Assad and Maliki) with the effect or condition that the Kurds won't try to carve an independent state off Turkey's land.

Kurds may seize the occasion to take their small portion of Kurdistan off Iran as well.

According to this article the semi-autonomous Kurdistan Regional Government (KRG) in northern Iraq is already behaving like an independent state.

Since they found oil recently, they are more self-asure, get more respect from others.

Kurd rebel deal with Turkey. Yes, but another one this time!
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#9
Well, looks like Turkey and Iraqi Kurds are cooperating on many issues including oil extraction. However this cooperation seems to be putting Turkey at odds with Iraq's Maliki Government and USA.
Following is from Turkey's Hurriyet Newspaper.
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Turkey, US cannot agree on Iraqi petrol, Turkish envoy says
Cansu Çamlıbel ISTANBUL - Hürriyet
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Namık Tan (center). AA Photo
Turkey and the United States do not see eye to eye on resource extraction in northern Iraq, Turkey’s ambassador to Washington has said, while declaring that U.S. companies are not even following their own country’s directives.

“It seems like Turkey’s acceleration of new projects with Iraqi Kurds in the north of the country has not pleased Baghdad and Washington,” Namık Tan told daily Hürriyet on Jan. 6 in the western province of Izmir during Turkey’s fifth annual ambassadors’ conference.

“Is it possible for a country that has multiplied its citizens’ prosperity three or five times to turn its back on some [natural] sources next to its own land? I’m not talking within the context of northern Iraq, it’s also the south there. Iraq is an entire country. Turkey cannot ignore that, but we want to do [business] in compliance with the Iraqi Constitution, on a legal basis,” Tan said, while noting that Washington was discouraging Ankara by suggesting that Turkish involvement in northern Iraq “helps divide Iraq.”

Tan also said there were more than 40 U.S. companies in northern Iraq – a fact that contradicts the U.S.’ own arguments.

“Any firm you can imagine [operates] there, but my firms will not be able to,” he said. “This is not a convincing argument. Really it is nonsense. They say, ‘You cannot convince us,’ and we go, ‘You cannot convince us either.’ We will not have a conflict here on this issue. We will talk and find a common basis for a solution. However, if they think that we will turn our back on those resources and shelve [this opportunity], they cannot convince us on that.”
January/07/2013
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#10
I wonder what the US State departement still want to have their say in the tribal kurdish region and their traffick with Turkey!
Didn't they leave Iraq for good in 2010?

It's in the best interrest for Turkey to help deelop Iraqi Kurdistan and exploit oil there. If Iraqis Kurdistan become an attractive place, Kurds will want to have their own state there instead of south Turkey.
Moreover Kurds will see Turkey more positively.
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Deal under way with Ocalan
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#12
Yes Fred, looks like talks between Turkish Government and PKK was getting ready to start, but within PKK and some claim within Turkish Government there are some elements that do not want these negotiations.
Yesterday, Sakin Cansiz (one of the 5 founders of the PKK) and two of her assistants were assassinated in their Paris Office.
Here is the news from Hurriyet about these killings.


Quote:Turkish intel probes PKK killings in Paris
ANKARA - Hürriyet Daily News
Turkey’s spy agency dives into the continuing mystery over the murder of three Kurds in Paris, vowing to pursue all avenues in the case
Turkey’s National Intelligence Organization (MİT) has commenced an investigation into the killings of three Kurdish female militants in Paris, according to sources in the spy agency.

“The relevant unit of the organization is investigating the incidents. We have to wait a couple of days to get a clearer picture,” a source from MİT told the Hürriyet Daily News on Jan. 11. The organization is closely following the aftermath of the killings, but the source declined to comment on whether the agency is seeking to exchange information with the French secret service over the incident. “The organization has different methods in tackling the issue.”

Sakine Cansız, one of the founding members of the outlawed Kurdistan Workers’ Party (PKK); Fidan Doğan, the Brussels-based Kurdistan National Congress’ (KNK) Paris representative; and Kurdish activist Leyla Söylemez were murdered on Jan. 9 in an execution-style hit just as the Turkish government has launched a new round of talks with the PKK’s imprisoned chief, Abdullah Öcalan. The three were found dead in the office of the Kurdistan Information Center on Rue Lafayette in Paris next to the Gare de Nord. They were all shot in the head.

According to the source, a more mature assessment of the incident depends on the intelligence to be gathered.

“There are so many things we are reading in the media. An internal feud is among the possibilities and could be linked to the İmralı process,” the source said, while underlining that this was not yet MİT’s final assessment. “We need a few days to see the real picture.”

Media reports described Cansız as one of the senior PKK members responsible for raising money in the name of the organization. French police had intensified its raids on PKK-linked bureaus and arrested a number of militants in the recent past. There are reportedly 21 ongoing investigations into potentially illegal fundraising activities by the PKK. The three women might have been victims of an internal dispute over money, according to French media.

PM: Seems to be internal feud in PKK
Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan has, meanwhile, speculated that the killings in the French capital could have been part of an internal issue inside the PKK based on the fact that the office’s door could only be opened with a code or by those inside the building.

“The building in which murders took place had been locked from the inside with a cipher lock. Those who did not know the code of the lock could not have opened the door. The three must have opened the door. And they would not have opened the door to somebody they did not know,” he said, while also suggesting that the likelihood that the women were killed by the PKK was growing.
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