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HIV Vaccine Fails
#21
Germany will donate Euro 200 million this year to fight the "three most deadly diseases of the world, AIDS, Malaria and Tuberculosis". An additional Euro 50 million debt by Indonesia is forgiven and can be used by them to fight AIDS. The German minister announcing that yesterday carried that stupid red ribbon. Does any other disease have a symbol of its own?
Could vomit in the face of so much hypocrisy. 45,000 Germans, a mere 0,05% of the population are alledgedly infected with AIDS. 400,000 new cases of cancer amongst Germans every year.
Can watch every day the plethora of possibilities to ruin the immune system, the thing that virus is blamed for. Have a lot of small ponds in the area where poor people catch fishes for their diner, while others dump truckloads of garbage in the ponds just ten meters away.
"You know, Paul, Reagan proved that deficits don't matter." Dick Cheney
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#22
Well, Q, the joining of AIDS to malaria and tuberculosis is part of the publicity blitz; yet, the fact remains that as with global warming there is a political agenda serving as the dynamo for discussion. Malaria is a protozoan parasitic infection, tuberculosis stems from a bacterium, and AIDS flows from a viral incursion. None of these conditions are subject to vacunal immunization, period! Not even WHO can suppress the fact:

http://www.who.int/vaccine_safety/topics...index.html

Personal hygiene, careless conduct and environmental abuse are the media for the spread of these conditions. The notion of a magical cure is an illusion as the history of malarial treatment illustrates.

http://www.who.int/malaria/cmc_upload/0/....html#p3.1
"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I am not sure about the former."

Albert Einstein
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#23
Surely all the true believers should be grateful to their god that he sent the aids-virus to punish the sinners - homos and addicts! S6
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.
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#24
Well just goes to show what happens when you put chimpanzee on the menu!
"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I am not sure about the former."

Albert Einstein
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#25
I thought I contribute some more detail of what I suspect is responsible for the uneven spread of this AIDS thing trough the world.

http://www.pattayamail.com/current/news.shtml#hd4

Quote:Contamination found in 80% of cooked meat products

Market vendors accused of sharp practice during vegetarian period

Contamination was found in more than 80 percent of cooked meat samples collected in a spot check at Wat Chaimongkol Market by Pattaya City public health inspectors.
The Public Health Department was checking food that included cooked meat to see if vendors were indulging in any sharp and unhygienic practices during the vegetarian period. The inspectors quickly found they were.

Public health inspector Bubpa Songsakulchai, who led the team on an unannounced visit to the market, said that they were astonished to find contaminating substances in more than 80 percent of cooked food with meat ingredients.
Bubpa said that during the vegetarian season the demand for foods with meat goes right down, and vendors lose a lot of income. Consequently they recycle unused meat, or leave meat lying around for too long before using it, and the ingredients become contaminated. This can result in food poisoning for the consumers.
The vendors have been issued with a warning and reminded that they can be prevented from trading if their food does not meet standards.
Anyone suspicious of food being contaminated can contact the Pattaya Consumers Protection Division of Pattaya City during official hours at tel 038 253-100 ext 3210.
"You know, Paul, Reagan proved that deficits don't matter." Dick Cheney
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#26
Well, we have rather disturbing news on the AIDS front: It's been around much longer than premised and the virus itself provided the clues. Here is the abstract of the crucial research:

Quote:The emergence of HIV/AIDS in the Americas and beyond
M. Thomas P. Gilbert*,, Andrew Rambaut, Gabriela Wlasiuk*, Thomas J. Spira, Arthur E. Pitchenik¶, and Michael Worobey*,||

*Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology, University of Arizona, Tucson, AZ 85721; Ancient DNA and Evolution Group, Centre for Ancient Genetics, Niels Bohr Institute and Biological Institute, University of Copenhagen, DK-2100 Copenhagen, Denmark; Institute for Evolutionary Biology, University of Edinburgh, Edinburgh EH9 3JT, United Kingdom,; Division of HIV/AIDS Prevention, National Center for HIV/AIDS, Viral Hepatitis, STD, and TB Prevention, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, Atlanta, GA 30333; and ¶Department of Medicine, University of Miami, Miami, FL 33125

Edited by John M. Coffin, Tufts University School of Medicine, Boston, MA, and approved September 17, 2007 (received for review June 6, 2007)


Abstract

HIV-1 group M subtype B was the first HIV discovered and is the predominant variant of AIDS virus in most countries outside of sub-Saharan Africa. However, the circumstances of its origin and emergence remain unresolved. Here we propose a geographic sequence and time line for the origin of subtype B and the emergence of pandemic HIV/AIDS out of Africa. Using HIV-1 gene sequences recovered from archival samples from some of the earliest known Haitian AIDS patients, we find that subtype B likely moved from Africa to Haiti in or around 1966 (1962–1970) and then spread there for some years before successfully dispersing elsewhere. A "pandemic" clade, encompassing the vast majority of non-Haitian subtype B infections in the United States and elsewhere around the world, subsequently emerged after a single migration of the virus out of Haiti in or around 1969 (1966–1972). Haiti appears to have the oldest HIV/AIDS epidemic outside sub-Saharan Africa and the most genetically diverse subtype B epidemic, which might present challenges for HIV-1 vaccine design and testing. The emergence of the pandemic variant of subtype B was an important turning point in the history of AIDS, but its spread was likely driven by ecological rather than evolutionary factors. Our results suggest that HIV-1 circulated cryptically in the United States for 12 years before the recognition of AIDS in 1981.

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Footnotes
Author contributions: M.T.P.G., A.R., and M.W. designed research; M.T.P.G., A.R., and M.W. performed research; T.J.S. and A.E.P. contributed new reagents/analytic tools; A.R., G.W., T.J.S., A.E.P., and M.W. analyzed data; and A.R. and M.W. wrote the paper.

The authors declare no conflict of interest.

This article is a PNAS Direct Submission.

To whom correspondence should be addressed. E-mail: worobey@email.arizona.edu


[Reprint (PDF) Version of Gilbert et al.]
Copyright © 2007 by the National Academy of Sciences


Because of the significance of this original research The Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences has made the entire article available in PDF, and here is the link:
http://www.pnas.org/cgi/reprint/07053291...28s%29&

Of greater interest to the original topic of the thread is the firm realization that as noted in the abstract:
Quote:Haiti appears to have the oldest HIV/AIDS epidemic outside sub-Saharan Africa and the most genetically diverse subtype B epidemic, which might present challenges for HIV-1 vaccine design and testing.
"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I am not sure about the former."

Albert Einstein
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#27
Why is this disturbing ?
Sanders 2020

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#28
stroll Wrote:Surely all the true believers should be grateful to their god that he sent the aids-virus to punish the sinners - homos and addicts! S6
Don't forget the worst of the crowd, those who consume blood by transfusion. Explicitly forbidden by Leviticus. Just how can the virus survive in the deep frozen powder what blood plasma is, if it can't make it long outside a body?
Did you know that homosexuals are banned from donating blood in the USA?

drgonzaga,
and that's news, because? Watched a documentary long ago about the odd disease and death of two Skandinavian sailors back in the fifties, when they digged the remains out and tested them, it turned out to be AIDS.
"You know, Paul, Reagan proved that deficits don't matter." Dick Cheney
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#29
MV questions:
Quote:Why is this [the facts behind the HIV study] disturbing?

Simple. The analysis of HIV origins and dispersal, as well as the multiplicity of strains, underscores much of the hypocrisy involved in the entire AIDS debate. First and foremost the impact falls upon the rhetoric for an AIDS cure as a scientific endeavor. The throwing of billions in this direction could be entirely counterproductive, where money could be better spent in modifying behavior. That statement carries many corollaries both socially and politically.

Now, as for Q and his two Viking descendants meeting their maker in the 1950s, I would love an actual reference. After all, there are many genetic causes that provoke disruption of human immunology. The existence of Primary Immunodeficiency has long been studied--
http://www.primaryimmune.org/pid/whatis_pid.htm
--hence, Q's protest
Quote:and that's news, because?
rings hollow because as the PNAS emphasized the disturbing variability of Type B AIDS in Haiti provides a warning laboratory on the alarming mutability capacity of the viral agent.
"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I am not sure about the former."

Albert Einstein
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