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Jews Again The Latest Scapegoat!
#21
According to the CIA factbook, Net migration in Israel is currently ZERO.
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It is hard to see the Anabasis story as a great military achievement....but as the most fascinating, probably...

Palladin Wrote:There is no explanation for Israel's existence using normal measuring sticks. Alexander the great whipped Darius at a 1-2 numerical weakness,but not a 1 -90 weakness. Relying on quality of the people when they're that outnumbered won't work.

I always have one problem with the divine hand in restoring Israel; more than one scripture talks about it. Perhaps it was the prelude to rebuilding the Temple, or to the Messiah coming, or to the Messiah returning, or to collecting all the Jews in one place for the ease of extermination,....
I guess we should wait and see what Jehovah does next...
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#22
Quote:There is no explanation for Israel's existence using normal measuring sticks.
Except for superior technology, financing, and organization.
Coupla years ago Rwanda conquered Kongo, a country 93 times larger, shortly after Rwanda lost half it's population to genocide and escape. Israel is no miracle, defence budget bigger than that of all neighbouring nations combined, it's army larger, longest conscription period of the world, only country in the world that conscripts women. Plus the vast funds of Jews in America and Europe, plus transfers of billions from countries that got rid of Jews, as Germany and Austria. Plus the full might of the USA backing it. Plus of being the only ones to possess WMD in the region, and no scruples to employ them. They're Jews, the chosen ones. :lol:
"Superior", to what? Attila the Hun?. Are they not rather inferior on a human scale, as all warmongers and bean counters?
"You know, Paul, Reagan proved that deficits don't matter." Dick Cheney
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#23
Hmm... are you saying that we are penetrated by an invisible Rwandian lobby?
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#24
MV,

Well,you can have your hard time about the Divine involvement,but Israel surviving makes no sense in impirical thinking to me.

The numerical disadvantages are not offset by technical superiority,Egypt and Saudi Arabia have way more USA top of the line EQ. They are so much wealthier on a GDP basis it isn't close. Anon gave us "organization".

5 million Jews surrounded by about 3-400 million Muslims. Wealthier,more well armed and Israel just is smarter I assume. So smart their grandfathers walked right into the holocaust.
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#25
It looks like those Evil Joos are at it again. Shock

Iranian & Democrat Officials Agree - Jews DO Control the Weather!

And as the writer proclaims, "Not The Onion, I promise." S13
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#26
Just as cruel and stupid as scapegoating Central Americans here like Trump and his supporters do.
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#27
No one is scapegoating Central Americans in general. But MS-13 gang members, drug runners, and human traffickers have for a fact been identified as originating in Central America.
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#28
Yes someone is and you're part of it.

Out of all the desperate people that need our help(our being the Body of Christ, not this greedy nation) probably <.05% are what you and that Trump wooden idol you worship described.

No more than east European Jews were communists when they flooded over here or the original British people with our criminals and thugs. I can hear creeps like you and William if this was when those Jews came here, "they'll bring communism with them"! Don't bother denying it because that's exactly what the closed minded uber selfish patriots said when Jews flooded into the USA.

You and your contempt for these weaker people by accusing the group of evil. Go back to your church tradition that teaches you to preach about Jesus while holding in contempt all these weaker people Christ suffered for and loves. What a preacher you are for American exceptionalism and exclusion, of the strong and screw the weak.

Screw your Americanized pseudo Christian theology, it isn't related to Christ.

Not exactly what Christ desires of us. Sodom and Gomorrah partially got the whack out because they ignored poor and weaker people check out:

Ezekiel 16-49-50, sounds awfully close to modern America and YOU.

Isaiah 1:10-17 for how God feels about the weaker people you ACCUSER, you and Trump and your brother all are. You make me sick as a fellow Christian, no wonder the church in this nation is dying out faster than Grant took Richmond, it's as apostate as hell is.

Denigrating an entire people group and believing the big lie of your wooden idol Donald, in FACT the DEA reports says the violence of Mexico has NOT come to the USA yet notwithstanding the satanic style denigration/accusation of a huge people group by your wooden idol Don.
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#29
What are you talking about, Wooden idol? You keep saying harassing things that make no sense. I and others here say general things about whoever acts in an evil way. I don't know who does what, but for decades our intel has been accurate.
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#30
I am comparing Don J. Trump to an ancient wooden idol. Ron knew what I meant.

If you're so good at spotting evil how about the little Guatamalan girl a "heroic border agent" shot in her fucking face in broad daylight the other day? Think that was evil or was he just being a good soldier and doing his job protecting we intrinsically good Americans from those evil rapists and murderers Trump and Ron see invading?
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#31
(07-09-2018, 12:26 AM)Palladin Wrote: I am comparing  Don J. Trump to an ancient wooden idol. Ron knew what I meant.

If you're so good at spotting evil how about the little Guatamalan girl a "heroic border agent" shot in her fucking face in broad daylight the other day?  Think that was evil or was he just being a good soldier and doing his job protecting we intrinsically good Americans from those evil rapists and murderers Trump and Ron see invading?

That's just ridiculous. You can search the world over to find something that you can use to claim someone else is evil. An Israeli border agent can be on the receiving end of Molotov cocktails and kite-bombs, and respond with civility and patience, but let one person who shouldn't be in the wrong place at the wrong time get hurt, then you see the protector of the border as evil?

There are whole histories of bad guys using cannon fodder, and complaining when "innocents" are injured.
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#32
He's right Patrick.
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#33
No he isn't. Decent humans don't shoot harmless unarmed girls in the face in broad daylight and decent nations don't tolerate murder. IF he is charged with murder, that means we're still decent. If not, no.

I did not say all ICE agents are cruel/evil as William inaccurately claimed. That's just his way and your way of ignoring evil in our midst instead of speaking out against it.

Red herring. How about for one time you speak out against something the USA has done that's cruel, like kidnapping kids from their moms?
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#34
What John said earlier still goes. You lump every one in the same overall group as an individual who acts incorrectly. That one does something you may claim to be evil so you judge everyone as doppelgangers. Forget the idea that a culture tolerates murder if one court case goes against your "decency". It is indecent to blame everyone for one person's mistake. Perhaps your communication skills are lacking if you write something which clearly means all are blamed, yet you deny that's what you meant.

For most of us, we believe most people are honorable, and not to be judged by the worst among us.
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#35
I don't lump everyone in anything William. I use language like "Americans" or "the USA" or "we" did X. It should be obvious all 330 million of us were not involved.

It's my country and I call us "we" and I'm part of it even when I hate what we're doing. I also say "we" when I discuss Tennessee football or basketball success or failure.

I do have a problem mentally that causes me to improperly try to make my point at times, that's true. Got an awful case of ADD. It has really held me back in life. I am lucky to even be alive due to the impulsiveness it causes.

However, I do not say "all Americans or all ICE agents". I accused 1 man of murder and I firmly believe he's a cold blooded killer that should be executed if found guilty.

I think tons of what the USA does over seas is ungodly especially since the collapse of the USSR. But, "the USA" doesn't mean I think all of us are ungodly. We just allow our nation to do cruel things and convince ourselves it's fine or we don't even know what's ongoing at times.

How did Hitler and Stalin happen? A small determined minority acted and a huge swath of the people did nothing, that's how. Just like it can happen here because our general public really is not well educated at all on what we do overseas. We can get away with a lot( there's that "we" again and yet I hate what we do typically).
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#36
And speaking of Joo Hating reports, here is a latest example:

Man Accused Of Plotting To Burn Down Condo, “Kill All The Jews”

Looks like he was doing more than just plotting.  S13

Quote:When police officers to Stolper’s building to ask him about the threat, they reportedly found him in the parking garage moving two plastic containers with gas in a shopping cart. As the officers got closer, they could smell the gas.

As they were speaking with him, a building resident approached and said there was a strong odor of gas in the hallways and elevators.

Police found eight plastic containers filled with gas in the garbage chute dumpster. The containers were identical to the ones Stolper had in the shopping cart. Police were also able to determine that gas has also been poured down the chute from the 15th floor.

While interviewing Stolper in his 15th-floor unit, they observed artifacts with swastikas and books of Nazi ideology. They also noticed that Stolper had destroyed the smoke detector in his unit which was hardwired into the building’s fire system.

When asked about the gas in the containers, Stolper told the officers, “I bought the gas to make a small BBQ.”

Stolper was arrested and charged with one count of attempted arson.
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(07-12-2018, 01:59 PM)Palladin Wrote: I don't lump everyone in anything William. I use language like "Americans" or "the USA"  or "we" did X. It should be obvious all 330 million of us were not involved.

It's my country and I call us "we" and I'm part of it even when I hate what we're doing. I also say "we" when I discuss Tennessee football or basketball success or failure.

I do have a problem mentally that causes me to improperly try to make my point at times, that's true. Got an awful case of ADD. It has really held me back in life. I am lucky to even be alive due to the impulsiveness it causes.

However, I do not say "all Americans or all ICE agents". I accused 1 man of murder and I firmly believe he's a cold blooded killer that should be executed if found guilty.

I think tons of what the USA does over seas is ungodly especially since the collapse of the USSR. But, "the USA" doesn't mean I think all of us are ungodly. We just allow our nation to do cruel things and convince ourselves it's fine or we don't even know what's ongoing at times.

How did Hitler  and Stalin happen? A small determined minority acted and a huge swath of the people did nothing, that's how. Just like it can happen here because our general public really is not well educated at all on what we do overseas. We can get away with a lot( there's that "we" again and yet I hate what we do typically).

Go back to my essay Party Dysfunction to understand that I do not hold people responsible for their misdirected hatreds and wrong beliefs because they are intrinsically evil. Their ideas resulted from how they were raised and what they were taught. That is why I target disinformation - not the people who have been targeted as useful idiots. There are only a few really bad egotists who work to subvert our society. You shouldn't do their work for them, by sucking in their disinformation, and translating it into class warfare and group think. Fight the lies, not the victims.
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#38
There is some truth to what you say, Bill, but I think you underestimate the reality of evil. Some people really do choose evil, and they always hate those who choose what is good, because those who choose what is good show them up. The example of Cain murdering Abel is still being followed by many. This problem can be ameliorated to some extent, but only the Divine Final Judgment can bring an end to it.
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#39
(07-13-2018, 08:38 PM)Ron Lambert Wrote: There is some truth to what you say, Bill, but I think you underestimate the reality of evil. Some people really do choose evil, and they always hate those who choose what is good, because those who choose what is good show them up. The example of Cain murdering Abel is still being followed by many. This problem can be ameliorated to some extent, but only the Divine Final Judgment can bring an end to it.

I agree with Bill Ron. I can't picture huge numbers of people running around thinking "What evil can I do today"? Most people think they are using good intentions, but allow ignorance and prejudices cloud their thinking. But then again, Bill and I are not dogmatic Fundamentalists, are we?

Even though Bill and I do not see eye to eye on everything, we tend to view things "Fundamentally" alike, pardon the pun. Shock
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#40
The bible presents all humanity both as a victim of a power greater than ourselves( Paul lists the power as sin/evil/death/the OT law/divine creatures at odds with God) and as complicit with these powers.

There is a sense we are not responsible for our evil on some level( i.e. Jesus praying for the Father to forgive the men murdering and torturing Him because "they do not know what they are doing") and at another level we all are going to face the judge and get compensated for what we did, good or evil( access Paul's teachings on the judgment seat of Christ in Corinthians and Hebrews discusses this angle).

I think William is closest to accurate. I think there's way more out of our control than we think.

I have a small example. I was reading of this man who had suffered heroin addiction and who had been helped by a local ministry. He told where he went off the deep end.

As I read his story, I started crying because that guy was telling my story exactly. In details.

The difference? I didn't get hooked on heroin. Why didn't I? Because I ran with the white red neck crowd which was in to beer at that era and I have a tremendous needle phobia, not because I was wiser or more moral at 15.

It struck me that I would have died in a ditch as a "drug addict" derisively stated by many judgmental locals if only I did not have the phobia and had a different neighborhood enticing me. Cause I have ADD( causes impulsive irrational conduct at times), my dad died when I was 12 and I was up for anything until I was about 22. Totally out of control life style.

The reason the USA irks me so much and I get so upset is it's chock full of Christians who should know better than to have ever tolerated slavery, Jim Crow and all our wars w/o any decent morality and yet at the same time say we're superior to all other people.
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