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Political Correctness Vs Common Sense
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I am convinced that we need a Political Correctness thread, because there is so much of it out there that needs to be placed in front of as many people as possible.  And here is a wonderful example of a thread starter.  What makes it worse is that it occured in my, and Patrick's, home state of Tennessee.  And it involves a company from Atlanta Georgia.   What is the south coming to?

Quote:Home Depot employee fired for stopping thief

Dustin Chester is job hunting this week, after The Home Depot fired him and the general manager for thwarting a thief from running away with a pocket full of stolen cash. Last week, the 24-year-old department manager confronted a man who was standing by a soda machine in front of the Murfreesboro store off Old Fort Parkway holding a crowbar and a wad of cash. When the suspect started running, Chester said his instincts took over. He was fired Monday for violations of company policy in the incident.

"When he ran, I ran after him," he said. Chester caught the thief and restrained him in the parking lot until police arrived. Chester was shocked to find out that for managers and most employees, catching and detaining thieves is against company policy. "The district manager told me that we are supposed to let thieves walk away; it blew my mind," said Chester, a one-time employee of the year.

The Home Depot said its policy, which directs workers to notify loss prevention specialists or police to handle criminal situations, is in place to protect its employees and customers. "The associates involved were not following company policy, resulting in this disciplinary action," said Don Harrison, spokesman for the Atlanta-based company. "Safety is a primary focus for our company." The former general manager could not be reached for comment Tuesday.

Chester said there was no loss prevention officer on duty during the Aug. 20 incident and that in his seven years, he'd never heard of the company's policy. But even if he had known how the company wanted him to act, it wouldn't have made a difference. "He had a crowbar, and what if he had come inside and gone after customers or the employees working at the registers?" Chester asked. "I'd rather have him coming at me than going after any of the customers."

The suspect was taken into custody and transported to Middle Tennessee Medical Center for treatment. It was unknown Tuesday if he was charged. So for protecting his "work family" and loyal customers, Chester, an MTSU graduate, finds himself unemployed. Chester said he wouldn't pursue any legal recourse. Considering how the corporate managers handled the situation, he doesn't want his job back. "I'm probably better off not working for a company like that," Chester said. "It seems like the company is being run by lawyers, who are worried more about lawsuits than employees. "A situation like this really shows what this corporation believes in — it's sad that they would do this to two people who were just trying to help out."

I usually purchase my building supplies from Lowes, because it is closer to my home, but I ocassionally go to Home Depot for things that may not be at Lowes.  From now on I will be spending a lot less time at HD than I otherwise would.  

This is exactly what I was talking about on another thread about the feminization of this country.  Gone are the days when honorable and manly men would never think twice about going after a criminal.  Like the article on the other thread, the statue honoring the men of the Titanic, who willingly gave up their places for women, are no longered visited and have flowers placed at the foot of the statue.  

And here is another thought.  Suppose that same criminal had been out in the parking lot, beating and robbing a woman, in  the parking lot.  And let's say this same fellow had gone out and perhaps saved her from serious injury or even death.  According to the rules of Home Depot, he would still have been fired.  Any company that follows these rules, all in the name of Political Correctness, do not deserve the business of law abiding, moral citizens.  In my opinion, of course.





Note:  I am going to 'sticky' this thread and place it at the top of the US Politics Section, so anyone observing further Political Correctness, can post here on this same thread.
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John,
political correctness also means complete information, and there is a lot missed. Is it proven the alledged thief has stolen anything? He was standing in front of a Soda machine (damaged?) with a wad of cash (don't you feed them with coins?) and a crowbar (which are sold at such stores). The suspect didn't attack Mr. Chester, or customers and employees (as Mr Chester claimed he was afraid of), and was not charged with anything by the police, but landed in a hospital. Mr Chester instincts obviously instructed him to apply some form of physical punishment, and to be honest, Mr Chester seems to be a person who relies on instincts rather than reasoning.
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quadrat Wrote:John,
political correctness also means complete information, and there is a lot missed. Is it proven the alledged thief has stolen anything? He was standing in front of a Soda machine (damaged?) with a wad of cash (don't you feed them with coins?) and a crowbar (which are sold at such stores). The suspect didn't attack Mr. Chester, or customers and employees (as Mr Chester claimed he was afraid of), and was not charged with anything by the police, but landed in a hospital. Mr Chester instincts obviously instructed him to apply some form of physical punishment, and to be honest, Mr Chester seems to be a person who relies on instincts rather than reasoning.

Sorry "Q", for a moment there, I thought you were talking about yourself. 8)
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Actually I believe that Home Depot was doing this in order to protect themselves.

John's article Wrote:Legal problems

But experts say vigilante justice, or making a citizen's arrest, is a legal minefield and that dealing with a suspect's lawyers is often more dangerous than apprehending the suspect.

By making a citizen's arrest, you're exposing yourself to a litany of possible lawsuits or criminal charges, including impersonating police, false imprisonment, kidnapping and wrongful arrest.

Murfreesboro police spokesman Kyle Evans said the best thing for employees or citizens to do is to be a good witness by making observations about the suspect to help in identifying them.

"Property isn't worth getting hurt over — merchandise can be replaced and people can't," he said.

If it was left up to me, concerning the exact circumstances, I would had just observed the situation and reported it to the authorities upon questioning; it is like the article concluded: It's not worth getting hurt over--especially when that merchandise and cash is most likely insured.
"The end of democracy and the defeat of the American Revolution will occur when government falls into the hands of lending institutions and moneyed incorporations." `Thomas Jefferson

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Grizzly Wrote:Actually I believe that Home Depot was doing this in order to protect themselves.

John's article Wrote:Legal problems

But experts say vigilante justice, or making a citizen's arrest, is a legal minefield and that dealing with a suspect's lawyers is often more dangerous than apprehending the suspect.

By making a citizen's arrest, you're exposing yourself to a litany of possible lawsuits or criminal charges, including impersonating police, false imprisonment, kidnapping and wrongful arrest.

Murfreesboro police spokesman Kyle Evans said the best thing for employees or citizens to do is to be a good witness by making observations about the suspect to help in identifying them.

"Property isn't worth getting hurt over — merchandise can be replaced and people can't," he said.

If it was left up to me, concerning the exact circumstances, [b]I would had just observed the situation and reported it to the authorities upon questioning;[b] it is like the article concluded: It's not worth getting hurt over--especially when that merchandise and cash is most likely insured.

Of course you would Grizz. That is because you are the perfect example of the 'femmanized' male: the metrosexual male. Why do you think you vote and act as you do? Nothing, to you, is worth risking your life over. If confronted with force, simply acquise and make certain you live another day, no matter how demeaning you appear to others, or yourself.

To you, self-respect is less important than self-esteem.

But consider, what if the money was yours, and you did not have it insured? ...............................It probably wouldn't make any difference anyway, right?
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John L Wrote:But consider, what if the money was yours, and you did not have it insured? ...............................It probably wouldn't make any difference anyway, right?

If a person wants my money badly enough, there is a good chance that he has either a gun or a knife on him; if he does, than do you think that I will confront a situation like that empty handed, John?

I can always make more $$; I can't get another life.

What would you do if someone walked up to you with a dangerous weapon drawn, and told you to hand over your money, John? You do know that life isn't like an action movie, don't you?

And, you really are picking up bad habits from someone that never served a day in the military, finding ways to opt out, by calling people feminine. Limbaugh isn't as bright as you think he is. :roll:
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Believe me Grizz, there are many in this world, who don't allow expediency to rule over principle, as with you. And as for serving, Been there, done that.

As for what to do if someone came to me and threatened me with bodily harm if I did not hand over my money? If someone is going to shoot me, they are going to do it anyway. I'd tell them to find some other patsy, such as you. Think I'm kidding?
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Quote:As for what to do if someone came to me and threatened me with bodily harm if I did not hand over my money? If someone is going to shoot me, they are going to do it anyway. I'd tell them to find some other patsy, such as you. Think I'm kidding?
No John, you ain't kidding. You still feel like browsing the Laotian jungles. You are Rambo. You are the alpha male. Taking on the thugs you can blast away with your shotgun. You're not old, suffering with gout, a bad prostata and somewhat slower understanding.
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quadrat Wrote:No John, you ain't kidding. You still feel like browsing the Laotian jungles. You are Rambo. You are the alpha male. Taking on the thugs you can blast away with your shotgun. You're not old, suffering with gout, a bad prostata and somewhat slower understanding.
quadrat: John just suffers from too many action movies. You know the type don't you? The kind where the good guy always wins.

Now I do not blame anyone that wishes to mix it up over a loved one getting harmed, but over money?! Shock :roll: :lol:
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#10
Grizzly,
is he one of the good guys, betraying the ones who soldiers are supposed to protect? Buying one's soul, doesn't the devil offer such deals? :lol:

Bothered by lines the like of Jewish "Societies Against Racism and Anti-Semitism" I suggest in the name of political correctnes to rename them according to their agenda, "Society for Islamophobia, Judeofascism, and Tax Cuts for the Rich."
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#11
I suggest in the name of political correctness to put the term "anti-semitism" on the index here, as for example the "F"-word. Anti-semitism is nothing but racism. A lot of people experience racism, but we don't use terms the like of "anti-black-americanism", or "anti-illegal-immigrantism". The purpose of the term "anti-semitism" is to bias and manipulate anybody to feel that it is an especially and more condemnable form of racism, because it is directed against humans who are meant to be privileged.
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#12
The logic that should be applied to the self-policing aspect of this crime, is not the fear of litigation - but the understanding that a person who is willing to take something which is not his has already crossed the line of ultiimate choice. If your property is not yours to keep, then neither are your wants, desires, or life. Stepping across the boundary of right or wrong shows a person has already made the decision that can lead to murder as well as just theft. What is stealing a life, but just more of the same? Les Miserables paints stealing a loaf of bread needed for survival as too feeble a crime to merit incarceration. Sure. But fitting the penalty to the crime does not negate the idea that violation of another is acceptable under one's own rationalization.

John is dead right about the feminization of society and the fear of unreasonable litigation trumping the need of reasonable response. The balance may be for this fired store manager to litigate against the store's policy and prove that litigation strikes both ways. Not just the perp's rights costing the store money - but the hero's, also. So he loses... the store still had the legal costs. In the balance of justice, if the store faces costs for trying to avoid litigation by dumping on a hero. then it may recognize the futility of allowing crime to not save money after all.
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Quadrat, the term "anti-semitism" describes something that is very real, and led to the attempted genocide against the Jewish race by the German Nazis leading up to and during World War II. Western Civilization is not about to forget it, and the lesson that was learned.

You might want to question the term on the basis of the fact that Arabs are Semites too, because Arabs and Jews are both descended from Abraham, and Abraham was descended from Shem.

But Hitler did not try to kill Arabs.
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Hitler loved Arabs,his first idea was to export all Europe's Jews to Jerusalem,surround it and massacre them there,but the Mufti his friend convinced him not to go that route. Murder them in Europe and the mufti helped him raise a couple of European Islamic SS divisions in the Balkans in return.
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Quadrat- The tactic is a very familiar one to us all but I don't think you will ever succeed in getting the term banned. Just to let you know that I am onside with you and you will hear more from me on the issue.

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But,are the anti semites hating Jews over racial or other issues?

Islamic and Christian based anti semitism is based on the idea they are spiritual failures and should be treated as such.

That is anti Biblical in view,but millions of my fellow Christians have entered into this evil mantra over the last 2 millenia. Islam teaches that they are both spiritual failures and evil,whereas the Bible teaches they are on a temporary "setting aside"(spiritually blind) status and the day will be that Israel will eventually return to her greatest days under the direct Kingship of Messiah Himself.

It isn't racial hatred,it is their relationship to God and man's response to that,plus I think a lot of it is simple jealousy. They are the most successful people in all professional spheres and that's because God made Jews smarter than Gentiles. Nah,nah,na,nah,nah!
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Ron Lambert Wrote:Quadrat, the term "anti-semitism" describes something that is very real, and led to the attempted genocide against the Jewish race by the German Nazis leading up to and during World War II. Western Civilization is not about to forget it, and the lesson that was learned.

You do know that the Nazis got it from us don't you?
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Ron Lambert Wrote:Quadrat, the term "anti-semitism" describes something that is very real, and led to the attempted genocide against the Jewish race by the German Nazis leading up to and during World War II. Western Civilization is not about to forget it, and the lesson that was learned.

You might want to question the term on the basis of the fact that Arabs are Semites too, because Arabs and Jews are both descended from Abraham, and Abraham was descended from Shem.

But Hitler did not try to kill Arabs.
No, Hitler did not. They never tried, and are not trying to abuse our society for their ends. There were greater genocides than the one on the Jews, and on people who contributed more of value to humanity. They might have been humbler than certain Jews, though. Please don't use the term 'Western Civilization' for the sake of political correctness, such a thing does not exist. There is an European Civilization, which you inherited but are corrupting by Jewish special interests.
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quadrat Wrote:...don't use the term 'Western Civilization' for the sake of political correctness, such a thing does not exist. There is an European Civilization, which you inherited but are corrupting by Jewish special interests.
No ...Western civilization does exist all right. It is the culmination of everything that came before it. Only those who look from the outside want to pretend it is something else. It is akin to the Muslim approach that denied all civilized advancements that was outside of its own purview was infidel and heretic, and beneath observance. While Western Civilization made all the great discoveries and mankind surged to new heights, the old civilizations - thousands of years older - never made it to the first step on the stairway to success. Far easier to denigrate those at the top than to take that first step.

Of all the Arab states - only Israel is successful. Dubai, Saudi Arabia, and others with money in their pockets, leeched off Western Civilization to build the infrastucture that gave them temporary wealth in exchange for oil. The anger at Israel is because of the unflattering reflection is casts of them in the mirror of success. Israel did nothing underhanded or wrong to succeed, they just had the will and motive - lacking in all other unsuccessful nations.
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I agree that the European Civilization has contributed more progress than any other culture for the last centuries, and that's because it is the only one that could get rid off the ties of its religion. Not accidentally the most inhumane one, and the greatest obstacle for the freedom of mind.

It's also appropriate to compare Israel with Alab states and not with us, since too influential a faction of the Jews obviously didn't make the defining step of the development to modern humans yet, that is to care for other human beings rather than for money.
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