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Where Are Christians or Jews free Within Muslim Nations?
#1
I do not mean political freedom,simply faith freedom. I think they ought to move into the late 17th century themselves before we allow anymore come here:



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#2
It is a bit curious to me why the "diversity" folks in Europe and the US don't take a bit more offense at the "lack of diversity" (aka persecution of other religions) exhibited in a substantial number of Muslim countries. I guess they just don't want to "offend" anyone.
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#3
I guess so,who would want to defend a neo Nazi group of people who want to serve Jews on a platter after all? Certainly not the enlightened west!

Far as I know,Syria may be the best location for a Christian in the Islamic world. Damascus was one of the original large belief areas and there are still many believers in Damascus.
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#4
Had been to Malaysia for the last days, I'd say this country provides religious freedom. Though I read down there about the case of a popular pop singer who got arrested for a night and mistreated by the religious police, on the alledged grounds that her cloth was inappropriate, and she as a Muslim mustn't perform in sinful entertainment venues. However, those rules apply to the Muslims only. She was cleared of the accusation, the authority was overzealous.
I don't care much about their religions, I care how they behave towards me. When we arrived at Penang airport, the immigration counters were staffed at once, as soon as the queues at the 'foreign passport' counters got to long, the staff at the 'Malay passport' counters called us over. Immigration, baggage, customs, exit took ten minutes. The same in Singapore.
Back in Thailand at Bangkok airport, endless queues at the 'foreign passport' counters, none at 'Thai passports'. While we were waiting, some of the 'foreign passport' counters closed, and the staff walked over to 'Thai passports'. Point made, foreigners are worthless. Waited about 1 1/2 hours at immigration. Made my point afterwards to each Thai who pestered me trying to sell a taxi: "I have no money for you". Love it when the smile collapses.
"You know, Paul, Reagan proved that deficits don't matter." Dick Cheney
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#5
I think most of the news reported from these areas are not inter-religious problems, but rather violence in general.
While many Christians lived happily under Saddam's rule in Iraq, now many are immigrating. However, over 2 million Moslem Iraqis have also run away from the violence in Iraq.

It is true that a Catholic priest, an Armenian Journalist, 3 Turkish, Christians and some British and Jews (British Embassy and Synagogue bombings in Istanbul) have been killed in Turkey within the last 10 years. All the murderers had their training in Afghanistan, Syria or Iraq. By the way out of 50 killed in Istanbul bombings, 35 were Turkish Moslems.
So if you look at these news deeper, you see that the violence's reported are hurting Moslems as much or worse than other religion followers.
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#6
Palladin Wrote:I guess so,who would want to defend a neo Nazi group of people who want to serve Jews on a platter after all? Certainly not the enlightened west!

Far as I know,Syria may be the best location for a Christian in the Islamic world. Damascus was one of the original large belief areas and there are still many believers in Damascus.
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Yes, Syria is probably the 'best' location for a Christian in the Muslim world since Syria has quite a large number of Christians.

Iraq was, still under Saddam, a good place for Christians. Saddam's Minister of Foreign Affairs, Tareq Aziz, was a Christian. But now, as you all know, the Christians are leaving Iraq as soon as they can because of the radicalization of Muslims there, especially among the Shiites.

/track_snake
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#7
Track,

Syria is not a GOOD place for Christians,it is simply the best within Islamic control. They are not free to discuss their faith in Syria ,so Syrian Islam is tyrannical in that respect as all Islamic states are.

They are free to worship w/o discussing the facts of the Bible with others and that's as good as it gets in Islamic culture. I think Iraq was much the same,but I sure wouldn't call Hussein's Iraq a good place for anyone but the Tikriti clans and then only those who could watch a man be eaten in a meat grinder and enjoy it.

Why is Islamic culture so hostile and intolerant? Because the religion that animates it is so hostile and intolerant??? Gosh,we can't discuss THAT.
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Palladin Wrote:Track,

Syria is not a GOOD place for Christians,it is simply the best within Islamic control. They are not free to discuss their faith in Syria ,so Syrian Islam is tyrannical in that respect as all Islamic states are.

They are free to worship w/o discussing the facts of the Bible with others and that's as good as it gets in Islamic culture. I think Iraq was much the same,but I sure wouldn't call Hussein's Iraq a good place for anyone but the Tikriti clans and then only those who could watch a man be eaten in a meat grinder and enjoy it.

Why is Islamic culture so hostile and intolerant? Because the religion that animates it is so hostile and intolerant??? Gosh,we can't discuss THAT.
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Why not?

The problem is that Islamic culture has become radicalized in the last 20 years or so. Suicide bombers didn't exist before, neither did this radical antagonism versus the Christians.

It is a tragedy that Christian minorities in Iraq and other places now are facing a total extinction after 2000+ years. In the case of Iraq, it was wrong by the US to 'release' the Shiite radicals. Saddam at least kept them in place for many years and they did not harm the Christians nor other parts of the Iraqi society.

/track_snake
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#9
T_S, I'm still wondering just how old you are, because the very things you are stating here are exactly akin to my thinking as a young man, full of ideals and severly lacking of wisdom, which is accumulated throughout life. Let me give you some examples here.

track_snake Wrote:Why not?

The problem is that Islamic culture has become radicalized in the last 20 years or so.

The radicalization gene has always been there, all along. What brought it out was a combination of things. One was the great Jimmy Carter "cluster Foxtrot" of helping to overthrow the Shah, and allow the Kooks to take over in Iran. Where radicalization was spotty and uncoordinated, suddenly it was State Sponsered. And another fault was that of Reagan AND Bubba for not responding to force with force of their own. If the dog is rewarded with a snack every time the light goes off, then soon it will salivate with just the light. Do you get my Pavlovian point here?

Another was the rise of technology. Now there are all sorts of neat little ways to self-destruct(and that is what is happening to Islam) and take innocents with them. Before they did not have things such as C4, remote controlled devices, etc.

Another is the insecurity and potential loss of their 'so called' traditions and isolation, with regard to the outside world. Every time they look out, they see another world, far more sophisticated, technical, and RICH. They look at themselves and see only a religion of 'submission', and fear losing their last refuge. Naturally they are rebelling through self-destruction.

But lastly, as an accumulation of the IT revolution, they see a means of conveying this horror and mayhem, through the instantaneous news/information medium. Now they gain far more accreditation then before, because there is a means of reporting it and a willing group of MSM willing to show this terror and exploit their own profession. Thus the terrorists and the MSM are acting as a symbiotic relationship, in which each feed off the other. Naturally, when the time arrives, the Islamists will not hesitate to do same to their willing allies, but the MSM does not mind, because strategic thinking is not in their intellectual pay grade.

T_S Wrote:Suicide bombers didn't exist before, neither did this radical antagonism versus the Christians.

For the first part, kindly refer above. As for the antagonism vs Christians, would you be hostile to your own "house n!gger" if they were not a perceived threat, and you were happy and content with your rule over them? Just like the Jew in Arab land, as long as they knew their place(in the back room) they were tollerated, because they were no perceived threat.

T_S Wrote:It is a tragedy that Christian minorities in Iraq and other places now are facing a total extinction after 2000+ years. In the case of Iraq, it was wrong by the US to 'release' the Shiite radicals. Saddam at least kept them in place for many years and they did not harm the Christians nor other parts of the Iraqi society.

/track_snake

T_S, using your logic here, if logic is what it happens to be, then it is wrong for anyone to fight evil, or for any policeman to pursue a dangerous criminal. I like to use this analogy, so bear with me. The Gop(good guy) is just about to catch/apprehend/kill the killer(bad guy). Once exposed, the killer runs in an attempt to escape. Realizing that escape is impossible, he stops running and grabs the nearest child or pretty woman he sees nearby. Taking the gun/knife/whatever, he points it at the throat/head of the poor innocent passerby and yells to the Cop(good guy), "Alright, if you come any further, I will kill this this child/pretty girl/etc, and IT WILL BE YOUR FAULT!!!!

Now stop and think about this for a minute. Who's fault IS IT, if the innocent child/pretty girl is killed by the killer? Is it the Cops for enforcing civil behaviour and going after the barbarian? Is it the child/pretty girl's fault for being in the wrong place at the wrong time? Or is it the fault of the Criminal/killer(bad guy)? That is the meat of the subject you discuss above.

Now go back and reread your post above and then tell me if your statement has intellectual merit, ok? Wink1
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#10
Palladin,

The number one offender when it comes to persecuting Christians isn't an Islamic Nation. And China really should rate a close second for quantity if not for quality. Even France was a brutal oppressor of Christianity after their own bloody revolution. And the biggest annihilators of Jews in the last century weren't Islamic either. Human beings are plenty capable of being vile and murderous on their own ... radical Islam is simply a crutch for some.

Buddy, you are clearly cutting off your nose to spite your face here. If we don't allow them to maintain their nasty little dens of INtolerance, INiquity, INbreeding, INcest, INsanitation and INsanity, where the heck are we going to deport them to when you finally manage to convince the rest of us?
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#11
Yak,

I wouldn't say though that Chinese culture is anti Christian or anti Jewish,they are simply under the temporary rule of humanism on steroids,which tolerates no competition as Islam tolerates none.

I don't hear anyone stating Chinese cccp officials should be allowed to live in America,no one is saying Nazi party officials should be left alone to live in America,yet here we are with only me saying these people who revere the life of Mohammad should be able to live in America. Islam happens to be my enemy right now,openly declared,China is not,Nazism is not,France circa 1790 is not.

I am aware of all the historical anti Christian and anti Jewish movements,I am aware that millions and millions of my fellow Christians have been intolerant towards our Jewish cousins.

Our country is at war today though with Islam's adherents,so I concentrate on them and this post specifically is meant to appeal to the line of thought that why should Americans tolerate these intolerant people? I know no one is going to be convinced by me on anything,certainly not sending these intolerant people out of this nation.

However,I think most non Muslims secretly must be considering exactly why other than fear we are tolerating their stay here,their charities,one after another,are found to fund Islamic jihad and last time I looked,America was the main target of Islamic jihad:

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#12
John L Wrote:T_S, I'm still wondering just how old you are, because the very things you are stating here are exactly akin to my thinking as a young man, full of ideals and severly lacking of wisdom, which is accumulated throughout life. Let me give you some examples here.

track_snake Wrote:Why not?

The problem is that Islamic culture has become radicalized in the last 20 years or so.

The radicalization gene has always been there, all along. What brought it out was a combination of things. One was the great Jimmy Carter "cluster Foxtrot" of helping to overthrow the Shah, and allow the Kooks to take over in Iran. Where radicalization was spotty and uncoordinated, suddenly it was State Sponsered. And another fault was that of Reagan AND Bubba for not responding to force with force of their own. If the dog is rewarded with a snack every time the light goes off, then soon it will salivate with just the light. Do you get my Pavlovian point here?

Another was the rise of technology. Now there are all sorts of neat little ways to self-destruct(and that is what is happening to Islam) and take innocents with them. Before they did not have things such as C4, remote controlled devices, etc.

Another is the insecurity and potential loss of their 'so called' traditions and isolation, with regard to the outside world. Every time they look out, they see another world, far more sophisticated, technical, and RICH. They look at themselves and see only a religion of 'submission', and fear losing their last refuge. Naturally they are rebelling through self-destruction.

But lastly, as an accumulation of the IT revolution, they see a means of conveying this horror and mayhem, through the instantaneous news/information medium. Now they gain far more accreditation then before, because there is a means of reporting it and a willing group of MSM willing to show this terror and exploit their own profession. Thus the terrorists and the MSM are acting as a symbiotic relationship, in which each feed off the other. Naturally, when the time arrives, the Islamists will not hesitate to do same to their willing allies, but the MSM does not mind, because strategic thinking is not in their intellectual pay grade.

T_S Wrote:Suicide bombers didn't exist before, neither did this radical antagonism versus the Christians.

For the first part, kindly refer above. As for the antagonism vs Christians, would you be hostile to your own "house n!gger" if they were not a perceived threat, and you were happy and content with your rule over them? Just like the Jew in Arab land, as long as they knew their place(in the back room) they were tollerated, because they were no perceived threat.

T_S Wrote:It is a tragedy that Christian minorities in Iraq and other places now are facing a total extinction after 2000+ years. In the case of Iraq, it was wrong by the US to 'release' the Shiite radicals. Saddam at least kept them in place for many years and they did not harm the Christians nor other parts of the Iraqi society.

/track_snake

T_S, using your logic here, if logic is what it happens to be, then it is wrong for anyone to fight evil, or for any policeman to pursue a dangerous criminal. I like to use this analogy, so bear with me. The Gop(good guy) is just about to catch/apprehend/kill the killer(bad guy). Once exposed, the killer runs in an attempt to escape. Realizing that escape is impossible, he stops running and grabs the nearest child or pretty woman he sees nearby. Taking the gun/knife/whatever, he points it at the throat/head of the poor innocent passerby and yells to the Cop(good guy), "Alright, if you come any further, I will kill this this child/pretty girl/etc, and IT WILL BE YOUR FAULT!!!!

Now stop and think about this for a minute. Who's fault IS IT, if the innocent child/pretty girl is killed by the killer? Is it the Cops for enforcing civil behaviour and going after the barbarian? Is it the child/pretty girl's fault for being in the wrong place at the wrong time? Or is it the fault of the Criminal/killer(bad guy)? That is the meat of the subject you discuss above.

Now go back and reread your post above and then tell me if your statement has intellectual merit, ok? Wink1
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Well... How about you rereading all your posts, John....

Let me say this. The White House strategics should have been more careful in the 'Operation Iraqi Freedom'. It was not necessary to give the Shiites such momentum versus the Sunnis. They should have known, partly from their lesson from Iran, that giving power to Shiite Mullahs may be catastrophic.

As I see it, they should never have banned the Baath Party and so to say 'estrangled' the Sunni's. They should never have allowed those 'fake elections' which were boycotted by the Sunnis.

But now it is too late to save the Christians in Iraq.

As for the age guess, I would guess we are of almost the same age...

/track_snake
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