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April hottest ever
#21
Aristides Wrote:And "denier" is a good word - it applies very well to people who ignore the greater body of scientific work and focus disproportionately on cockamamie ideas like the one Plait's discussing there in a clear attempt to dodge the serious implications of human-caused GW.

What a crock! What you are doing is equating GW skeptics with atheists, instead of agnostics. Equate us to GW agnostics. And If the proof is absolute, and there is no evidence to support the natural characteristics of GW, or that human's affect are so small, then "Skeptics" is Exactly the correct description.

Your problem is that, like almost all Lefties(so called liberals), there is no need for further discussion, because you(third person) actually believe your side to be a foregone conclusion. Forget the fact that the ups and downs have been going on since.............well,.................since the beginning of the planet. Forget that all the doom and gloom almost NEVER happens throughout history. Name one doom and gloom prediction, such as population depleting disasters, running out of natural resources, etc, that have ever come to fruition. Just one. And you think that optimists should go for all this negative pessimism? Get real!
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#22
Katrina.

Pwned.

I see your crock and raise you a herd of male bovines. Still intent on fighting your intellectual battles with labels rather than ideas, are you? Such an argument is easier to compose, but far less accurate. You generously label yourself an agnostic, but all you're doing is looking for any little crevice of ambiguity you can hide your "skepticism" in while the flood of data on GW rushes overhead. It's no different than the laughable creationists who every time an old hominid gets dug up ask for the REAL missing link, and their question remains the same while the chain of evidence becomes more and more complete. If the idea that the sun was causing global warming alone had any power behind it, I would considerate it as I would any other idea grounded by data. It doesn't, not right now. It's a weak whimper of an idea that so many "skeptics" latch onto because it fits what they want to be true.

You seem to mistake my support of GW as a human-caused phenomenon as certainty or conviction. It is not. It is simply that I've seen enough convincing evidence that until part of that body of data is either shown to be wrong or further elaboration of it reveals a different story, I am entirely comfortable with treating GW as such. Like any human with half a brain, I realize that the data or its interpretation could be in error But I'm not going to go around trumpeting an idea with no support just because this one might only just barely possibly in the future be proven a little bit off the mark.
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#23
Aristides Wrote:Katrina.

Pwned.

Too small to matter. There were some just as bad. The Galveston hurricane and the one that hit Alabama in 1968 were worse. Further, I don't remember any forecasts of a hurricane hitting New Orleans before it came up. I'm talking about a Real disaster, and a forecast to go along with it.
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There was an article in Sci-Am about the potential for a Katrina-like event long beforehand. The Discovery Channel even had a program with similar predictions.

In any case, your request isn't quite a fair one. Of course there have been many "doom and gloom" predictions made over the course of history. However, our understanding of nature has greatly advance over the same period. So you'll forgive me if I say I heed today's weatherman a great deal more than yesterday's medicine man, or the astronomer over Apollo's oracle.

And another aside, even the boy-who-cries-wolf scenerio operates on the assumption that the wolves are out there somewhere, and to be feared.

The problem many seem to have isn't that GW can't possibly happen, it's that they're too busy trying to protect their golden calves to acknowledge it (honestly, their's a whole hullaballo amongst some evangelicals about addressing it because it goes against their theology, of all things).

(Oh! We could use volcanos as examples of disasters! Sneaky buggers, volcanos)
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#25
Forget the economy or the war(s), the fortunes of the Republican party in the US Senate are instead tied closely to the sunspot cycle.


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Fun with correlations!

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#26
MLT: I did not know you were such a pessimist.
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#27
And then there is this.

Quote:Hundreds of cities across most of the eastern United States suffered record cold and snow throughout much of April. Analysts pointed out the unexpected cold spell illustrates the unpredictability of both weather and longer-term climate conditions.

The seemingly endless cold spell had baseball fans and Easter celebrants wondering when global warming would arrive, as repeated blasts of cold and snowy Arctic air forced the cancellation or change in venue for seasonal celebrations dependent on Spring-like weather.
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John L Wrote:And then there is this.

Quote:Hundreds of cities across most of the eastern United States suffered record cold and snow throughout much of April. Analysts pointed out the unexpected cold spell illustrates the unpredictability of both weather and longer-term climate conditions.

The seemingly endless cold spell had baseball fans and Easter celebrants wondering when global warming would arrive, as repeated blasts of cold and snowy Arctic air forced the cancellation or change in venue for seasonal celebrations dependent on Spring-like weather.
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And then there is this: http://iridl.ldeo.columbia.edu/maproom/....omaly.html

Showing that April generally had quite normal temperatures in US but up to 5 centigrades hotter than normal in most of Alaska.

So the Global Warming is still there. Even in the US, in April 2007. Apart from this, temperatures were above normal 'as usual' for about 80% of the globe in April 2007. And it was especially hot in Europe.

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#29
So what? All you are doing is confirming to me that climate fluctuates. Further, you still refuse to even consider that a warmer world would be a better one. To you it is going to be a disaster if things warm up. Amazing.
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John L Wrote:So what? All you are doing is confirming to me that climate fluctuates. Further, you still refuse to even consider that a warmer world would be a better one. To you it is going to be a disaster if things warm up. Amazing.
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No. I didn't say that generally. To those who plan to settle in Greenland global warming is a good thing. But in many other places in the world it is already too hot. Especially when considering that the ideal outdoor temperature is about 14 centigrades.

That is also the reason why many politicians see global warming as a problem and try to find ways of cutting down on greenhouse emissions.

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track_snake Wrote:
John L Wrote:So what? All you are doing is confirming to me that climate fluctuates. Further, you still refuse to even consider that a warmer world would be a better one. To you it is going to be a disaster if things warm up. Amazing.
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No. I didn't say that generally. To those who plan to settle in Greenland global warming is a good thing. But in many other places in the world it is already too hot. Especially when considering that the ideal outdoor temperature is about 14 centigrades.

That is also the reason why many politicians see global warming as a problem and try to find ways of cutting down on greenhouse emissions.

/track_snake

T_S, I asked you this before, and I shall repeat: please provide the link showing that 14%C is the preferred temperature. Unless you do, I will not take your comment seriously. Come on, produce this, ok?
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