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What a choice: bee stings or cell phones
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This allegation intrigues me. Could it be true? The main question I have is: if true, why did it not start before? Is there a new cell phone technology that became widespread in the last couple of years?

What is worse, no bees, no cell phones or Global Warming Shock ?
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It is from the Independent, which is a highly sensational rag. Anything they publish MUST be taken with a grain of salt AND a stiff shot of Scotch. :lol:






Note: since high tension wires have proven to be a bust, it is on to other things that are geared to cause sensation and concern. Must sell papers, eh what?
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jt Wrote:This allegation intrigues me. Could it be true? The main question I have is: if true, why did it not start before? Is there a new cell phone technology that became widespread in the last couple of years?

What is worse, no bees, no cell phones or Global Warming Shock ?
Interesting development, JT. I did a quick check on google and found only one article that brought up cell phones as a possible cause of the disappearing bees, in addition to the story in The Independent.

Here are some links that give other possible causes:

Quote:Texas National Press
“The problem we’re facing right now is just one in a series since the mid-80s,” he said. “The industry has pretty much been fighting an uphill battle.”
Science Magazine
So far, no prime suspect has emerged. Entomologist Diana Cox-Foster of Pennsylvania State University in State College thinks a toxin may be implicated, because wax-worms and neighboring bees are not invading deserted hives.
Brujula
Scientists say that the cause of the deaths and disappearances could be natural causes. Some also say that some bees became disoriented or could have been infected with mites, which could cause a lethal virus to overcome the bees. Other theories include the spread of a bee virus or a possible fungus which could cause them to die, poor nutrition and inbreeding. Scientists say that cell phone towers and crops that have been genetically engineered are not suspected of being a cause.
National Geographic
Researchers suspect a combination of habitat loss, pesticide use, and over-enrichment of water bodies with nutrients, often from fertilizers and sewage.
"Whatever the cause, the study provides a worrying suggestion that declines in some species may trigger a cascade of local extinctions amongst other associated species," Biesmeijer said in a media statement.
I think John's right not to rely solely on newspaper articles when it comes to reporting science.
Quote:"The true triumph of reason is that it enables us to get along with those who do not possess it." -- Voltaire
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This same hysteria went on in the 80s over frogs in the Midwest, if you recall. Frogs with three legs, or other deformities were being reported. Pollution was the cuprit, acording to the press and Eco-Wackos. Then, lo-and-behold, it was discovered to be a parasite that caused the problem. Eventually those frogs best able to fend off the parasite remained and the problem has pretty much gone away. It's normal in nature, and goes in cycles, just like GW.
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I wouldn't classify The Independent as "a highly sensational rag", it's one of the UK's broadsheets not a red top. Indeed the satirical magazine Private Eye used to refer to it as the "Indescribably Boring"; it has had/does have a reputation for being rather staid.

I would agree with Matrix that in all things scientific don't rely on the popular media distillate, if possible go back to the original research paper, and never forget that just because one research paper says this maybe so, doesn't make it so.

And to be fair to The Independent it lays out the various ideas current for the phenomena of Colony Collapse Disorder, with Dr Kuhn's conjecture being the latest, he does only say "hint"!

Quote:Now a limited study at Landau University has found that bees refuse to return to their hives when mobile phones are placed nearby. Dr Jochen Kuhn, who carried it out, said this could provide a "hint" to a possible cause.
"Common sense is not so common" - Voltaire
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Monsieur Le Tonk Wrote:I wouldn't classify The Independent as "a highly sensational rag", it's one of the UK's broadsheets not a red top. Indeed the satirical magazine Private Eye used to refer to it as the "Indescribably Boring"; it has had/does have a reputation for being rather staid.

I would agree with Matrix that in all things scientific don't rely on the popular media distillate, if possible go back to the original research paper, and never forget that just because one research paper says this maybe so, doesn't make it so.

And to be fair to The Independent it lays out the various ideas current for the phenomena of Colony Collapse Disorder, with Dr Kuhn's conjecture being the latest, he does only say "hint"!

Quote:Now a limited study at Landau University has found that bees refuse to return to their hives when mobile phones are placed nearby. Dr Jochen Kuhn, who carried it out, said this could provide a "hint" to a possible cause.

:lol: :lol: :lol: Pepe, the Independent IS a sensational rag. They just tell you the things you like to hear. :lol: :lol: :lol:

And as for placing a cell phone next to a bee, I know of no bee that uses or takes up residence next to a cell phone. This is the typical thinking of the Kook fringe. It's like placing a human in a full tank of water. If the person dies by drowning, then water is bad for people, and should be banned. It's so funny as to be sick.

I thought you were a scientist Pepe. This is the new scientific method of the Left. Wink1
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John L Wrote:
Monsieur Le Tonk Wrote:I wouldn't classify The Independent as "a highly sensational rag", it's one of the UK's broadsheets not a red top. Indeed the satirical magazine Private Eye used to refer to it as the "Indescribably Boring"; it has had/does have a reputation for being rather staid.

I would agree with Matrix that in all things scientific don't rely on the popular media distillate, if possible go back to the original research paper, and never forget that just because one research paper says this maybe so, doesn't make it so.

And to be fair to The Independent it lays out the various ideas current for the phenomena of Colony Collapse Disorder, with Dr Kuhn's conjecture being the latest, he does only say "hint"!

Quote:Now a limited study at Landau University has found that bees refuse to return to their hives when mobile phones are placed nearby. Dr Jochen Kuhn, who carried it out, said this could provide a "hint" to a possible cause.

:lol: :lol: :lol: Pepe, the Independent IS a sensational rag. They just tell you the things you like to hear. :lol: :lol: :lol:

And as for placing a cell phone next to a bee, I know of no bee that uses or takes up residence next to a cell phone. This is the typical thinking of the Kook fringe. It's like placing a human in a full tank of water. If the person dies by drowning, then water is bad for people, and should be banned. It's so funny as to be sick.

I thought you were a scientist Pepe. This is the new scientific method of the Left. Wink1
.......as I said, don't rely on the popular media distillate, someone else who doesn't read what's before them :roll:
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Why don't you take M. Bushed under your wing Pepe, since the two of you are so far above the rest of we Neandertals.
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John Wrote:Why don't you take M. Bushed under your wing Pepe, since the two of you are so far above the rest of we Neandertals.
Neanderthal John, I didn't think they dragged their knuckles! [Image: Invision-Board-France-294.gif]
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Monsieur Le Tonk Wrote:
John Wrote:Why don't you take M. Bushed under your wing Pepe, since the two of you are so far above the rest of we Neandertals.
Neanderthal John, I didn't think they dragged their knuckles! [Image: Invision-Board-France-294.gif]


Either spelling is correct Pepe. Neandertals: A Cyber Perspective. Neandertal DNA. And last, but not least, Neanderthal or Neandertal?

I'll go with the sub-species definition, if you don't mind.

I do have your permission, don't I?
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John L Wrote:This same hysteria went on in the 80s over frogs in the Midwest, if you recall. Frogs with three legs, or other deformities were being reported. Pollution was the cuprit, acording to the press and Eco-Wackos. Then, lo-and-behold, it was discovered to be a parasite that caused the problem. Eventually those frogs best able to fend off the parasite remained and the problem has pretty much gone away. It's normal in nature, and goes in cycles, just like GW.
Evidence, John, evidence. If you are a scientist, you must know it's all about evidence -- not belief! Wink1
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Matrix Wrote:
John L Wrote:This same hysteria went on in the 80s over frogs in the Midwest, if you recall. Frogs with three legs, or other deformities were being reported. Pollution was the cuprit, acording to the press and Eco-Wackos. Then, lo-and-behold, it was discovered to be a parasite that caused the problem. Eventually those frogs best able to fend off the parasite remained and the problem has pretty much gone away. It's normal in nature, and goes in cycles, just like GW.
Evidence, John, evidence. If you are a scientist, you must know it's all about evidence -- not belief! Wink1

Sorry Martix, but I don't keep Everything on record and in my Bookmarks section. You can Google it if you wish. All I'm saying is that the actual cause had nothing to do with manmade pollution, but was a natural cause. Humans wiggled out of the crosshairs once more. Perhaps you are unhappy over this?

Perhaps the good Dr can address your skepticism.
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The effort to link cell phones with the bee dieoff is basically the effort of someone to make April Fool's Day into a monthlong event.

Why wouldn't the much greater broadcast radiation of TV and radio signals, not to mention CBs, etc., have caused a bee dieoff decades ago?

I heard an explanation that goes even further. See, for a long time now, bee-keepers have been stealing the honey from bees, and replacing it with sugar water. Sugar is made by purifying beet or cane juice using charcoal filters made from charred cow bones. The prions that cause Mad Cow Disease are not destroyed by heat. So the bee dieoff is really caused by Mad Bee Disease!
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Ron:

Ingenious. And probably there are quantum mechanics effects that have hitherto been ignored. It has been discovered that Ophra is not a group of particles, but a superposition of waves. Somehow these waves have leaked into the omnipresent waves we are all subjected to by radio, tv, cellphone towers and tanning salons. Sadly, the bees have been the victims. How unfair can life get? One hopes that cloud formation has been immune.
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jt Wrote:Ron:

Ingenious. And probably there are quantum mechanics effects that have hitherto been ignored. It has been discovered that Ophra is not a group of particles, but a superposition of waves. Somehow these waves have leaked into the omnipresent waves we are all subjected to by radio, tv, cellphone towers and tanning salons. Sadly, the bees have been the victims. How unfair can life get? One hopes that cloud formation has been immune.
Here, too, it seems that you do not take scientific input seriously. Perhaps you do not quite comprehend the serious nature of this problem?
Quote:"The true triumph of reason is that it enables us to get along with those who do not possess it." -- Voltaire
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Matrix Wrote:
jt Wrote:Ron:

Ingenious. And probably there are quantum mechanics effects that have hitherto been ignored. It has been discovered that Ophra is not a group of particles, but a superposition of waves. Somehow these waves have leaked into the omnipresent waves we are all subjected to by radio, tv, cellphone towers and tanning salons. Sadly, the bees have been the victims. How unfair can life get? One hopes that cloud formation has been immune.
Here, too, it seems that you do not take scientific input seriously. Perhaps you do not quite comprehend the serious nature of this problem?

:lol: :lol: I'll sell you a little bit of a 'sense of humour' if you actually think that you need some. I'll make you a special deal. Wink1
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