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Chinese Christians are converting by the Millions!
It is not just Chinese converts to Christ who will be instrumental in converting Muslims. There are many reports from Christian missionaries that God is intervening directly like He did with Saul of Tarsus (who became the Apostle Paul):

Quote:ISIS Fighter Dreaming of Man in White Who Said ‘You Are Killing My People’

This Islamic State jihadi confessed to not only killing Christians but "that he had actually enjoyed doing so.”

One Christian said to him, "I know you will kill me, but I give to you my Bible."

The Christian was killed and this ISIS fighter actually took the Bible and began to read it.

He started to feel really sick and uneasy about what he was doing.

He then began having dreams of this man in white who came to him and said, "You are killing my people."

In a later dream, Jesus asked him to follow him and he was now asking to become a follower of Christ and to be discipled.

Perhaps this man will be like Saul in the Bible that persecuted Christians and he turned from that persecution to become the Apostle Paul who led it, God can turn it around.

Muslims who are converting to Christianity claim to have been compelled to do so after dreaming of a person in white who they believe is Jesus Christ.

We may have a new branch of Christianity here.

Ex-Muslims seen as new branch of Christianity
"Falsehood flies, and truth comes limping after it" - Jonathan Swift, 1710
I think that it wouldn't take a lot to massively convert entire muslim nations to christianity or to anything else. That muslims start being sick of it.
If ony we had the political will to do so!
...instead of repeating that all the horrors of the jihadis "have nothing to do with islam".
This Islam could crumble faster than anyone thinks. But no one dares talk about that.

Today on Facebook a friend of mine called me crazy because I asked why palestinians could convert to Judaism since Israel is judaic... Why does it look so crazy? In the past popualtions changed religion as easily as we change shirt. Why should someone keep their religion at any price?
Fred, many Palestinians are closet Jews. I showed a video somewhere that went over this. Also, some Palestinians were forced to convert to Islam, Waaaaay back in the 8th, or 9th century, and the families kept a heritage with their Judiams all the time until now. But they couldn't say anything because they would be killed. And they still have to be very careful, so those who have allowed this to come out have had to hide their identity.

The reason why so many Muslim converts have to be secretive is because Islam calls for them to be killed for abandoning the Prophet. That's why I have stated that if this rule was lifted today, by tomorrow, at least half of 'so called' Muslims would either quit practicing, or would renounce Islam. It could be more than that.

But like I have stated for years, persecution of Christians only makes Christianity grow more. The Romans were the first to learn this and it hasn't changed one bit since then.

The lost Palestinian Jews

Quote: In the end, Misinai says, the reintegration of the Palestinians with the Jewish people is the best - and only - solution. "We've been down the path of partition, defensive war and what the world calls occupation. Nothing has worked. The world is getting very tired of our bickering, and is pushing to implement a solution - any solution. So far, the only solutions are the ones that have failed, but here is some new, fresh thinking, that many Jews and Palestinians would accept. And if we accept it, so will the nations of the world." Misinai's Engagement would unite the "two kingdoms of Israel" described by the prophet Ezekiel. "The Jews who went into exile held onto their culture, beliefs and religion, while those that remained behind held as long as they could to the Land of Israel. Both loves - love of Torah and love of land - come from the same wellsprings. It's time to repair the historic damage done by our enemies, the Romans, and reunite our people."

My guess is that eventually, when all the conflict is over, a good portion of Palestinians will come out, and the entire land will be called Palestine. But it will be "the State of Israel, in the land of Palestine", as in one title. After all, it would be entirely accurate.
"Falsehood flies, and truth comes limping after it" - Jonathan Swift, 1710
This was just sent to me.

Dale Hurd : Jun 4, 2015 : CBN News

Many Muslims are saying, 'If ISIS is Islam, I'm leaving.' Some are becoming atheists. There is a huge wave of atheism in the Arab world right now and many are turning to Jesus Christ. Islam was never faced with this crisis before." –Brother Rachid

(London, England)—[CBN News] The headlines say Islam is going to be the largest religion in the world. But Islam is facing a crisis.
The terrible deeds of ISIS, done in the name of Allah and following the violent example of Muhammed, have horrified Muslims who are now questioning their faith.

Missionaries to the Islamic world say more Muslims have converted to Christianity in the last 14 years (since 9/11) than during the entire 14 centuries of Islamic history.

Secret Lives
Many keep their conversion a secret, afraid for their lives. In London, CBN News talked to Imram (no last name given to protect his identity), a British college student from a Pakistani immigrant family.

Imram left Islam after a lengthy study convinced him the Koran could not be true. Leaving Islam can be a tough road.

"If someone leaves Islam and becomes an apostate, he is thrown out of his family; his family will be the first ones to abandon him," Imran explained. "His friends will reject him and he will be killed or he will be persecuted. A lot of my friends said, 'This is the last time I'm talking to you because you disrespected the prophet Mohammed, you disrespected Islam.'"

Imram has not yet become a Christian, but has studied the Bible and says Christianity is superior to Islam.

Some ex-Muslims become atheists. But some discover a God who loves.

In Sweden, Pastor Fouad Rasho of Angered Alliance Church, himself an immigrant from Syria, has baptized more than 100 ex-Muslims. He said because of ISIS, many Muslims are coming to Christ.

"Every week I meet one or more persons who come to me and want to know more about Christianity and the Bible because they are very angry about being a Muslim. They don't want to continue to be Muslim," Rasho said.

The "Dark Continent"
When it comes to religion, Europe has become the new "Dark Continent." And some European Muslims feel trapped between atheism and radical Islam, but some find hope in Christianity.

When Nassim Ben Iman came with his parents to Germany as immigrants from a Muslim nation, he remembers thinking that if Germany is a Christian nation, then Christianity is a dead, sinful religion.

"So nakedness on the television is because of the Christian religion. Living together not married is because of the Christian religion," Nassim recalled thinking.

But then Nassim discovered real Christianity and is today an evangelist reaching Muslims and non-Muslims for Christ.

"When the people understand who Jesus is, they will love Him and follow Him more and more. And when the Muslims understand more and more what Mohammed is, what the Koran is, what the history is, then they will go farther and farther away from Islam," he said.

Collapse Ahead
The host of an important Christian program reaching Muslims told CBN News, "Islam is going to collapse."

Brother Rachid is the son of a Moroccan imam who lived as a secret Christian convert for 15 years. Now he hosts an Arabic language Christian program called "Daring Questions" that challenges Muslims to question their faith.

"Many Muslims are saying, 'If ISIS is Islam, I'm leaving.' Some are becoming atheists," Brother Rachid said. "There is a huge wave of atheism in the Arab world right now and many are turning to Jesus Christ. Islam was never faced with this crisis before."

Nassim said Islam appears strong, but it is only feeding off the spiritual void in weak Christian nations.

"The greatest power of Islam is the weakness of the Christians," he said. "That's what happened in Germany and in America and all the Western countries."

Even while it seems Islam seems poised to overtake the West, Brother Rachid says Christians should not fear Islam, a faith he is convinced is slowly dying.

"Islam is not God's instrument to judge the West," he said. "I think people are afraid because of what they see on the news. But even violence is just a sign of collapse."

I think this is encouraging; however I think it also overlooks the violent reaction that the extreme zealots will likely manifest when they see things going in the opposite direction from what they expect. The present decades of increased terrorism may be seen as the reaction of the zealots to the way that the West completely humiliated Muslim nations militarily in the First and Second Gulf Wars. If the reaction of the Muslim people to this mounting violence and pathological evil is the way it is being reported, then out of desperation, as the extreme zealots see their whole religion collapsing, they may for a time go all-out in the greatest violence they can manage, perhaps even trigger a civil war in Europe. They will of course lose; but millions may die along the way.

Just two weeks ago in my church we baptised a lady who had been raised Muslim. She gave a wonderful, very stirring testimony. It was so moving and spiritually insightful, that the pastor let her speak for about 30 minutes after her baptism and being voted into church membership, and then he said he would set aside his own sermon until another day.
I'm never going to stop saying that Islam is doomed to fail as a major religion. They cannot reform it, because to do so would automatically mean casting out the Prophet himself. Muhammad's own words, as written, automatically make him a cruel and heartless person. He cannot be reformed, unless everyone has to lie about him. And then he is again doomed.

Christ is just the opposite in the he always preached love and forgiveness. And no matter what some of the 'so called' faithful did in his name, the guilt is on their shoulders, not Christ's. There is a world of difference, and exactly why Christianity thrives off of persecution. You cannot defeat it through the use of force. Only complacency and living in a land of plenty can cause backsliding. But eventually that too will fall apart and there is really only one place left to turn in time of spiritual need and forgiveness: Jesus.
"Falsehood flies, and truth comes limping after it" - Jonathan Swift, 1710
I just bought a book about the Islamic conversion to Christ story. It's the 3rd one I have.

In this latest work("Dreams and Visions, is Jesus awakening the Muslim world" Tom Doyle), he records so many conversion stories and all of them are related to these specific visions.

A previous work by a convert, Nabeel Quereshi(now a Christian missionary), included dreams, but, not this one where these folks feel they have seen Christ. His dreams were very important to the process of conversion, but, none were ostensibly about Jesus Himself.

Anyway, I posted a long time ago that my missionary friends in Nashville reported years ago Muslim conversions even in Pakistan. It's been ongoing for a generation, Kurdistan has seen some significant Christian growth, Africa does, etc.

Guess where lots of the Christian evangelism takes place? In Abu Dhabi. Muslims can come there and hear the Gospel w/o fear. It's a huge "meeting place" for conversions.

If you guys knew Islam, you'd understand how close a Muslim is to being a Christian anyway. It really doesn't take that much for them to see the light more accurately, they already believe Jesus is the Messiah. They just disagree about what "Messiah" constitutes. They believe in the virgin birth of Jesus, they say Jesus is "the word and spirit" of God, etc.

It's happening according to Tom Doyle more in the last decade than the previous 1400 years. Richard Wurmbrand even wrote of conversions in Iran years and years ago.
And in China, President and Communist Party leader Xi Jinping doesn't even realize just how grave a mistake he is making.

Severe crackdown in China on church crosses draws backlash

By alienating Chinese Christians, he is setting up the 'so called' Chinese Communist Party for a major case of civil disobedience. Christians will fight back peacefully, but it will hurt the leaders implicitly.

And the more he cracks down on them, the stronger they will become, and the weaker he will be. Very unwise move.
"Falsehood flies, and truth comes limping after it" - Jonathan Swift, 1710
And speaking of conversions, I was driving down a street I don't usually travel, here in Cary. And suddenly I saw the very first Messianic synagogue in the Raleigh/Cary area.

Sha'arei Shalom Messianic Synagogue. Here's Its facebook page.

A few years ago I had done a search and the closest one was in North Durham. There are at least seven "official" Messianic temples in North Carolina, but other "unofficial" ones. I know there is one in Chapel Hill, but it isn't listed. The number of Jews accepting Jesus/Yeshua is growing quickly here, and around the world. I can't say whether or not Messianic Judaism will officially become another sect of Christianity, or another sect of Judaism. Most likely the former, since so many Jews are resisting their acceptance. Only time will tell.

Oh, I've picked up more here. This guy is most unhappy about the number of Messianic congregations in North Carolina alone. He puts the number of Messianic temples/congregations at thirty-six. Wow, I had no idea they are growing so fast.

Quote: I stopped at 36 because honestly, it was making me sick. When I started this research almost ten years ago there were quite a few large organizations that were easy to keep track of. Now their influence has become so widespread that hundreds of individuals are starting congregations for the sole purpose of spreading their gospel to the Jew first. In Israel there were about ten messianic

“Jewish congregations. Today there are around 140 and that’s not counting all the centers that evangelical Christian missionaries have opened to help Israelis while the Christians that run them, spread their lies about following the Jewish “messiah,” Yehoshua.

My heart aches for our people that have become victims of these people and for those who refuse to see the danger it represents to the future of Judaism. Don’t be one of them. find their sites, read their lies and join in the effort to educate Jews about their foes. Be aware, be Jewish!
"Falsehood flies, and truth comes limping after it" - Jonathan Swift, 1710
There's a Jewish organization now to resist conversion to Jesus called "Jews for Judaism". They do counter evangelization of Jews. A counter to "Jews for Jesus" which has been around for many decades now.

Plenty of websites like the one you posted, too.

It's sort of obvious a number of Jews apparently are giving Jesus a good look now days.

In the past, I don't think many Jews would even consider Jesus, they seemed to judge Jesus based on historic Gentile Christian anti semitism. I can't say I blame them, but, it is wise for everyone to simply give Jesus a serious look w/o filtering Him through people's conduct.

BTW, there's a book written by an Israeli rabbi called "The Return of the Kosher Pig" I read a while back. It is written to Jews.

He is a believer and he documents from before Christ till the 20th century that within mainstream Jewish thought, the idea of a Divine Man Messiah has always been there.

Most modern rabbis say otherwise, but, he documents that rabbinical thought has always known YHWH would redeem Israel via a God-Man Messiah.

Once Jews realize this and see the documentation, they are freed up to really examine the claims of Jesus. The trinity doctrine seems like polytheism to a Jew until they see that there are multiple YHWH's in the Hebrew scriptures. Same character different personalities.

I didn't ever see this until I took an OT theology course myself. God is working on the Jews and He is working on the Muslims, IMO. Next up, the eastern pagan religions, He's converting the Chinese as we speak.
Looks like the official Atheistic PRC is finally getting uncomfortable with all those multiplying Christians, threatening to take over the country.  Now they are starting to crack down, but the millions of Christians are not about to give in, for some reason. 

Quote:China’s efforts to mold Christianity in its own image draw resistance

In August 2014, a top-ranking official in the Chinese government informed the world that China was planning on nationalizing Christianity.
Wang Zuoan, director of the State Administration for Religious Affairs, told a forum in Shanghai that the “construction of Chinese Christian theology should adapt to China’s condition and integrate with Chinese culture.”

The announcement, unsurprisingly, triggered significant consternation among Christian groups in China and around the globe.

 China’s New Crackdown on Christians

Xi Jinping attacks the ‘patriotic’ church that has long co-existed with the government.

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China's Catholics: 'Rome may betray us, but I won’t join a Church which is controlled by the Communist Party’ 

Its going to be interesting to see just how far PRC will go here,  but regardless, it will not win in the long run.  And the more they persecute, the faster that defeat will come. [/url]
"Falsehood flies, and truth comes limping after it" - Jonathan Swift, 1710
Its things like this that will eventually bring down the PRC.  If nothing else, resistance will be on the increase, especially in light of almost instant world communications. 

Church leader’s wife dead after buried alive during church demolition

Quote: Two members of a church demolition team in China’s central Henan province buried a house church leader and his wife alive on Thursday when they tried to prevent the destruction of their church. Though the church leader managed to escape, the wife had suffocated to death by the time she was freed.

On April 14, a government-backed company dispatched personnel to bulldoze Beitou Church in Zhumadian, Henan province, after a local developer wished to take control of the church’s valuable property. Li Jiangong, the person in charge of the church, and his wife, Ding Cuimei, stepped in front of the machinery in an attempt to stop the demolition.

“Bury them alive for me,” a member of the demolition team said. “I will be responsible for their lives.”

Subsequently, a bulldozer shoved Li and Ding into a pit and covered their bodies with soil. Crying for help, Li was able to dig his way free, but Ding suffocated before she could be rescued.

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"Falsehood flies, and truth comes limping after it" - Jonathan Swift, 1710
The persecution of unsanctioned Christian churches continues.

Christian church DESTROYED as Chinese police drag worshippers into street and beat them

The key to Christian growth in PRC is the rise of unsanctioned churches

In China, Unregistered Churches Are Driving a Religious Revolution. “The government won’t approve it, but the question is if they’ll shut it down.”

The former underground churches are growing larger and they are beginning to come out of the closet, and into the open.  This shows a shift in both numbers and opportunities.  

Quote:China, the world’s rising superpower, is experiencing an explosion of faith. The decades of anti-religious campaigns that followed the 1949 communist takeover are giving way to a spiritual transformation—and among the fastest-growing drivers of that transformation are unregistered churches.

Once called “house” or “underground” churches because they were small clandestine affairs, these groups have become surprisingly well-organized, meeting very openly and often counting hundreds of congregants. They’ve helped the number of Protestants soar from about 1 million when the communists took power to at least 60 million today. Of these believers, about two-thirds are not affiliated with government churches. In other words, Protestants in non-government churches outnumber worshippers in government churches two to one.

But those churches wishing government assistance must remove the picture of Jesus and replace it with that of Chairman Xi Jinping.
"Falsehood flies, and truth comes limping after it" - Jonathan Swift, 1710
Religion seems to be still very political. They can't make the difference between a cult and politics???
(12-31-2017, 07:33 PM)Fredledingue Wrote: Religion seems to be still very political. They can't make the difference between a cult and politics???

Like all good Statists/Communists, the PRC wants to control everything. Our Progressives want to do the same thing. Spiteful
Unsanctioned churches must be rooted out and put out of business.

This one particular church in the article thought they could come out of the basement and build a beautiful church, right out in the open. I guess they thought they could really get away with it, right in front of the authorities.
"Falsehood flies, and truth comes limping after it" - Jonathan Swift, 1710
PRC's continuing crusade against Christianity continues: Chinese officials burn bibles, close churches, force Christian to denounce faith amid 'escalating' crackdown

The World's Most Persecuted Minority: Christians
"Falsehood flies, and truth comes limping after it" - Jonathan Swift, 1710

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