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The Occupation of Iraqi Hearts and Minds
#21
I guess that is why the economist truly is not on my(extensive) "to read" list.
If a man can't put his name on something he says, he is a coward and of no consequence to me.
Kenneth Bean
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#22
Mr Bean Wrote:I guess that is why the economist truly is not on my(extensive) "to read" list.
It's always been their policy, as they say:

Many hands write The Economist, but it speaks with a collective voice. Leaders are discussed, often disputed, each week in meetings that are open to all members of the editorial staff. Journalists often co-operate on articles. And some articles are heavily edited. The main reason for anonymity, however, is a belief that what is written is more important than who writes it. As Geoffrey Crowther, editor from 1938 to 1956, put it, anonymity keeps the editor "not the master but the servant of something far greater than himself. You can call that ancestor-worship if you wish, but it gives to the paper an astonishing momentum of thought and principle."

Reading the Economist article I see a fair and balanced appraisal of the US intervention in, and ongoing occupation of Iraq, I don't discern "lame half-truths and outright lies". The poll was one commissioned by the BBC, ABC News, ARD German TV and USA Today so hardly some "statistics grabbed out of a waste bin". Sadly you wish to cling to some rose tinted fantasy that America's invasion and occupation of Iraq was just and will be successful; it wasn't and it won't be.
Mr Bean Wrote:If a man can't put his name on something he says, he is a coward and of no consequence to me.
Kenneth Bean
Well in this Forum that encapsulates us all with the exception of your goodself S1
"Common sense is not so common" - Voltaire
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#23
Furthering the debate about Iraqi "minds",it is my view that's our problem. You cannot win the heart and mind of people whose culture teaches them you and your ways are evil by doing what they loathe and hate.

We did not win the hearts and minds of Japanese or Germans,but we did gain their compliance and not by handing out candy to little German boys or building them schools their parents don't desire them to learn from. Neither culture appreciates Americans or our thinking,but both have allowed us a freebie since 1945.

I know why,they know why,but today we Americans are afraid to apply the destructive force necessary to win "hearts and minds" as they say anymore.

Let America return to the greatness of the 1940s or continue to suffer defeat after defeat strategically until there is an occupation of our own lands.

http//westhawk.blogspot.com/2007/03/good-riddance-ambassador-khalilzad.html#links
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#24
Hmm, I wonder if Mr. Bean would deem it worthy of his precious time to point at the "half-truths and outright lies " in this "diatribe"? :roll:

Palladin Wrote:I know why,they know why,but today we Americans are afraid to apply the destructive force necessary to win "hearts and minds" as they say anymore.
No, not "afraid", they are making some effort to keep to most of the international treatments they initiated and/or signed since WW2. Most present day Americans do not wish to committ crimes against humanity, with a few notable exceptions in deed and word, yourself being an example of the latter - an advocate of rape, murder and humiliation. :x
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.
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#25
Stroll,

What half truths? Are you another poster here who makes accusations without even bothering to prove it?

My point is Germans and Americans in the 20th century were hardly FRIENDS. German ambition collided with American ambition(and about everyone else's on earth it seems),it is rationale to think that Germans do not have an affinity for Americans or what America is about.

Germany's ambition exploded into WWII and we need not discuss that again. Germany had ambition since it first unified. Unequalled and acute ambitions.

America opposed it twice and Germans today do not square off against America.that's what I meant by freebie. It is not because we were nice or you people share our values,you don't,it is because you're afraid to. We both know it's true. In fact,a large segment of Germany's population are afraid NOT to be occupied by foreign troops due to the destruction of WWII,they do not trust Germans themselves.
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#26
Whoa nellie!

Palladin, truth like that is sorta' hard to swallow.

...be subtyl... like me! 8)
Bean
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#27
Ken,

It's truth nonetheless. I'm not making a case that Germans are cowards,not at all,that isn't even the point.
Germans just had a talent for biting off more than they could chew in 2 massive war efforts and the last one brought destruction to the homeland unlike anything Germany has ever seen and I HOPE never sees again,because that means they never allow their ambitions to control their minds without something like fear of a repeat stopping their actions.

It's been 70 years since we've heard 1 peep from that entire culture and that's a LOT longer than war intervals BEFORE we destroyed the entire nation's infrastructure in 1945.

Like we've already stated,we all know why Germans have kept quiet and it isn't because some GI probably gave Stroll here a candy bar,it's because Stroll here doesn't want to see a repeat.

Until we treat Muslims this way in whatever tactical battlefields we enter,they will have a measure of success against us and won't see the wisdom of giving America a "FREEBIE" any more than Germans did after WWI when they got away without national destruction.

This winning of hearts and minds,just how many Vietnams will we need to see that's a fallacy? You win hearts via FEAR in war,war has this awful brutal logic. For a metaphor of how far we are from this mentality,check out the mental attitude of Bangladesh's Islamic governors to Islamic terrorists and ours in GITMO,babysitting our murderers

http//counterterrorismblog.org/2007/03/bangladesh_executes_jmb_milita_1.php
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#28
Here's a good sign,even the Iraqi insurgents are starting to kill international jihadists in the Sunni triangle. I like that.
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