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What do you think of the NAU proposal?
#1
There is a proposal which has been floated for the North American Union, which would be more than the EU, it would be a de facto merging of Canada, Mexico and the U.S.. I have mixed feelings on this one, I am curious to hear what others think. For instance,

What would we do about bi-lingualism? To me, bi-lingualism is totally unacceptable.

How would we merge cultures, all three are very different.

Would the synergies involved outweigh the taking in of relatively poor Canadian socialists and very poor Mexicans?
#2
Canada is hardly poor. It's small.

As in all things like this the devil is in the details.





Ahk
#3
Canada is already bilingual, so a NAU would be trilingual. The Canadians are surely not poor, and only socialist by an extreme definition.

Mexico is too different to be a member of such a union if it involved giving up any more national sovereignty than NAFTA gave up, which was a lot. Nah, can't see it happening for another 20 or 30 years.
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#4
Canade has a per capita icome about 60% that of the U.S.... that's poor by American standards. In addition, no American will ever agree to Bilingualim much less trilingualism... the Spics would have to learn to speak English and the frogs in Quebec would not be welcome at all.
#5
Quote:Canade has a per capita icome about 60% that of the U.S...

I don't know where you get that Yankeecat. You should look deeper. Canadians are quite well off. Most have one or more cars and a house. I don't think a "60% less rich" is an accurate picture between your average Canadian and you average American in terms of goods that can be bought etc. 'Socialist' always makes me laugh a little too. We're social democratic which 'technically'makes us about as socialist as the UK, Australia, etc. Realistically we're less 'socialist' than the UK though.




Ahk
#6
The figures are that Canada is about 34% less rich on a per capita basis than Americans. The poiint being, if we let Canada in, we lower our own net wealth per capita.

Latest figures, ppp adjusted, US GDP per capita 43k, Canada 32K.

As far as the socialist is concerned, of course there are levels of socialism... but it's the mindset I'm concerned with... I don't know how many times I've heard Canadians say they have "free" health care or that they think the if the U.S. is stupid enough to provide their defense for them they should take advantage of it. These reveal an world view which is poisonous and which I do not want to infect the U.S..
#7
Quote:The poiint being, if we let Canada in, we lower our own net wealth per capita.

Well I don't think the details of the plan are like that but esentially I agree if the plan were laid out like that - it wouldn't be good for the States. I don't think it is though. Too simplistic. I don';t thhink bilingualism is part of it either. I don't think the NAU has a hope in hell frankly but I believe the idea is simply to formalize and orginaize an already strong economical base. Formalizing the economical 'synergy' as you put it between the three nations.

Personally I think: if it ain't broke don't fix it and this is mostly a reaction to the EU

i don't know what the aveage income in the US is but here I know it's in the $32000 range. Still,like I sayi don't think it translates to buying power. The real economical difference between the US and Canadia is the population base. California has more people (and therefor more workers/taxpayers).


EDIT: sure enough, the $32000 range: http://www.finfacts.ie/biz10/globalworld...capita.htm


Ahk
#8
Those are raw numbers, for any meaningful comparison you have to use ppp numbers (purchasing power parity) which are what any responsible economist uses and which I used. The Irish are still drinking to much Guiness...

Here are the ppp numbers linked from the same article, Canada and the U.S. are both higher than I remembered but there is still a large gap:

http://siteresources.worldbank.org/DATAS.../GNIPC.pdf

Also, since we're talking statistics, remember that the U.S. numbers are pulled down by 20,000,000 illegal immigrants. The reality for your average Yank is more like 48-51k per capita which is an adjustment not true for ay other nation on earth.
#9
Quote:I don't know how many times I've heard Canadians say they have "free" health care or that they think the if the U.S. is stupid enough to provide their defense for them they should take advantage of it.

LOL! Yes. I'm sure you're always hearing from Canadians about how Canadians think the US is stupid enouhg to provide defense for them.

Lets clue you in: North America, during the cold war was defended by nuclear deterent. That you would be willing to make Canada a nuclear wasteland in order to defend yourself if we got invaded is hardly "defending us".


Closer to the truth you're always hearing your own democrats and republicans arguing forever about canadian 'free' health care. Not us. That arguemnt ironically has nothing to do with us. It's the US calling it socialist,not us. You have social security don't you? Is the US socialist? Your kids get bussed to school for free don't they"? Is the US socialist? no.



Ahk
#10
The attitude you evince is exactly what I'm talking about. Canada let's us fight and win the Cold War for them, then bitches about it... it's both delusional and parasitic... this is why I don't like Canadians nor want to be in any union with them.

The idea that a weak natural resource rich country of mediocre twits would exist as an independent entity next to any power but the benevolent and generous U.S. is absurd and totally at odds with the reality of human history. Are you actually telling me that Canada would have been better off if the U.S. had lost the Cold War?

The fact I even have to ask that question is testimony to the infantile nature of the Canadian psyche.
#11
(yawn)

If someone reasonable, mature and in control of their emotions wants to address anything I said, just wake me up.




Ahk
#12
It's always the same with you, the same half baked unsupported postion follwoed by a hasty retreat. Mediocrity personified... but then, you are Canadian.
#13
Quote:It's always the same with you, the same half baked unsupported postion follwoed by a hasty retreat. Mediocrity personified... but then, you are Canadian.


No Yankee it’s just that I know when talking to a wall is pointless. What’s “the same with you every time” is you find you can’t answer someone so instead you make up what they said so you can keep arguing. That’s not an “American” thing, that’s an idot thing. That’s your thing. I'm sorry it embarrasses you but maybe you should just put down the G.I. joe dolls and enter reality.

You claim you've defended Canada all those years.

I point out the obvious: Being willing to set your air bases up here and more than willing to turn Canada into nuclear wasteland to defend yourselves is not defending US.

You can't answer this so like a worm you twist and try and put words in my mouth since youcan't argue the solid truth of what I really said:

Quote:Are you actually telling me that Canada would have been better off if the U.S. had lost the Cold War?

Typical, change-the-topic-and-run-from-the-hard-to-answer-replies, ploy from a loud mouth arrogant know-nothing know-it-all.Pointing out what I saidabout turning Canada into a wasteland to defend yourself in no way comes close to insinuating what you said.

lol. "Are you actually saying"...:lol: :lol: here's an idea genius: instead of ignoring what I said and trying to pull some crap outta thin air why not answer what I said?

Is the willingness to destroy Canada in order to defend yourself the same as defending us? Is that your definition of 'defending'? The question isn't that scary. Why ya runnin'?



Ahk
#14
If you really operate on this level, there is no point in interacting with you.
#15
Ahh, yes. So who's running now? :lol:

I'll ask you again: Is the willingness to destroy us in order to defend yourself the same as defending us?

Why do you have to make up what people say before you find you can argue with them, hmmm?


Really no point telling me I operate on a 'level'. You can't write one post without insulting and you have this insane idea of poor starving Canadians who are socialist monsters charging up and down the streets with red flags hanging all the proletariats.


Sooner or later your illusions will be shattered. When it happens there’s really no point crying about it.




Ahk
#16
Enough! Closed!
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