Shiite Decision Making in Iraq

[Palladin]

I'm not optimistic on Iraq's future within the democratic world,but if it can occur,this decision is a must and they have to aggressively force this issue.



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[Fit2BThaied]

I agree that the Iraqi factions need to declare a stop to the suicide bombings and the inter-faction killings. Also, we need more Muslim leaders condemning such killings, and adequate publicity of such condemnations.

[Independents4Bush]

I think the sunni baathists will stop the killing if the shia take care of the militias. Al Qaeda in Iraq is already weak and losing the baathist will be the final blow. We don't hear this enough even from my side of the argument but I'm telling you, we're going to win the war in Iraq. Iraq will be a peaceful country. I have faith in their young people.

[Palladin]

Right after I posted this,it appears Sistani declared against this approach. So much for that,he is too influential not to stop this.

If the Shiite Iraqi people are not going to support hacking down the Shiite terrs,it seems logical we cannot expect the Sunni to join and be loyal to the new elective government.

I assume we will concentrate on killing only Sunni now and forget about a democratic oriented national unity government(DONUG) or probably should,with this attitude the DONUG seems out of reach realistically.

[Independents4Bush]

Let me raise the hairs of some people here. If ultimately muslims can not have democracy is it safe to say they and their culture and religion are inferior? Perhaps to end terrorism and prevent nuclear terrorism against the west we have to eliminate the savages.

Ann Coulter might have had it right.Lets go in, convert them and kill those who oppose. :lol:

[Palladin]

Indy,

NO,that would not be fair and they can have democracy. Just not in Iraq because Iraq has a historical Shiite -Sunni problem.

Malaysia and Turkey are democracies and as far as Muslim states go OK.

Whether or not Islam is God's Word or not cannot be deduced by whether or not Iraqis can have democracy. Christians didn't have democracies for most of the last 2 millenia and Israel never did in it's most glorious moment in Scripture. So,democracy is hardly a measure of the validity of a faith or of the virtue of a people.

Ann ought to know better than to suggest that.

[Independents4Bush]

Easy I was joking. Wasn't you I wanted to annoy. :lol:

[Palladin]

Indy,

You didn't bother me. That was just a poor reasoning or logic method for deciding about a religion. Ann is OK with me,but logic like that leaves her real vulnerable.

Plenty of Christians never lived in democracies.

[John L]

Ann ought to know better than to suggest that.

That was one of the few articles I have read from here in a long time. And in all honesty, I believed it to be 'tongue in cheek' then , so what is different today?

[Palladin]

John,

Maybe it was,I assumed she had written some new article that Indy was referring to stating that because Iraqis aren't doing the democracy thing real well,maybe Islam is false.

You know me,I sure think Islam is false,BUT that measuring stick is not approrpiate is all I meant.

[track_snake]

I think the sunni baathists will stop the killing if the shia take care of the militias. Al Qaeda in Iraq is already weak and losing the baathist will be the final blow. We don't hear this enough even from my side of the argument but I'm telling you, we're going to win the war in Iraq. Iraq will be a peaceful country. I have faith in their young people.

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The Sunni Baathists are far away from Al Qaeda. Remember that Saddam never supported Al Qaeda or even wanted to be connected with them.

The prospects for democracy in Iraq have never been any good. But anyway, restoration of the Baath Party would be one step in the right direction. Remember that christians in Iraq had a far better life under Saddam than now when islamic extremists are threatening them all the time. The foreign minister of the Saddam government, Tareq Aziz, was a christian.

/track_snake

[Palladin]

track,

I'm afraid you're right. The nicest Shiite leader(Sistani) isn't any more interested in democracy than Saddam was or Zarqawi was. He's interested in Shia hegemony only. I was fooled by him myself.

We made our mistakes thinking along the democracy nirvana,it is now encumbent on us to shift and see this as a raw power deal asap. I actually wish we COULD find and empower a secular dictator,but that's not possible right now.

I wish it were.