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Catholic Nun sentenced to 30 Years for Genocide
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The only dissent I would have here is that if ,let us say Attaturk, "used religion" to animate Turks,then does it not stand to reason that religion was necessary to animate Turks against whomever they fought in the post WWI days? Like in Iraq or Afhghanistan today,why do the terrorists use religious pr if it is not needed and will not resonate with the locals?

This is an interesting question. The only answer I have is that religion is a reflection of people and not a cause of their behavior.

Think about it like this: People create their world views based on their past experiences. Religion is a world view - it is a set of parameters that explain the reality of human nature; and an acompanying set of rules to deal with the reality of human nature. REligion, then, is formed based on the past experiences of a society.

That being said, for some reason most humans can't face that they think the way they do because of their past personal and collective historical experiences. IN fact, they are trapped by these things. And because they are trapped into thinking a certain way because of history, the only way they can deal with it is by believing that the mindsets they are trapped into are the One and ONly Path.

You *don't* need Islam to get people in the Middle East to act a certain way. They want to act that way; they have to act that way; Islam is only the blanket they use to comfort themselves from the reality of their own minds.
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#22
Anon,

I disagree entirely with this view. Jesus Christ is of the middle east in human terms and culture. Bluntly,Christianity is middle eastern origins and it does NOT teach hatred,evil,etc. Messiah/Christ has been worshipped by Arabs and Jews for thousands of years,Job was an Arab.

Paul the Apostle is a Hebrew of Hebrews of the middle east. Job in Scripture was an Arab man living there before Moses days probably 4000 years ago and was a great,humble and wonderfully wealthy gentleman.
Nebuchadnezzar had his days of infamy,then greatness and relative liberality in Scripture AND secular history,Cyrus of Persia was as great a man as history has ever recorded.

The entire WORLD and every culture of the world has some association with the culture of the middle east whether you realize it or not. Even secular historians agree the human existence almost certainly began in Iraq,our culture is not seperated entirely from the Babylonians,Sumerians and Chaldeans of that day. It is improved upon from that day and I submit it is partially improved due to the cultural influence of CHRIST who is 100% in His humanity middle eastern.

You do not have Arab Christians blowing up shopping malls of Muslim women and children,you have Arab Muslims doing that. Blaming it on Arabs is racist,it is the religion,not the genetic seed. Arab Christians are not to blame for Islamic terrorism.

You have it backwards,IMO.

Read of the Shiite Zarqawi,these are not just Arabs,these are fanatical Muslims following the lead of Mohammad whose lifestyle is what they desire to emulate,the man was a mass murderer,get that through your head. He was a 7th century Arab warlord,THAT's the problem with 21st century Arabs. They REVERE a mass murderer as God's prophet. An analogy is Germans literally worshipped via Mein Kampf.
Would you blame Nazism on German genetics if Germans worshipped Hitler's lifestyle and thought process? THAT is what Islam is with some nice facade to cover up the meat of the story,warlordism in Arabia,circa 650 AD. I can assure you,if 99% of Arabs believed in Christ,they would still be sinners,they would still make mistakes and do wrong things as I do,but they would not be thinking God desired them to act like a 7th century thieving warlord in Arabia

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#23
Typical. If any Muslim does any evil deeds and if it's only to fart in an elevator filled with Jews, it's used to besmear the whole of Islam. Catholics busy with their contribution to a genocide are sad but isolated incidents. Peculiar logic.
I'm happy my parents and society protected me from religions, they're just awful. Hey Thaied, don't call me faithless infidel!:lol: That construction is exclusivly used by Muslims anyway. I don't believe in the inhuman ideas of religions, but I have ideals. You still believe you can convince people with the occasional pacifist contents of Christianity? After a few years of discussions with a very different breed of Christians you should know better.
"You know, Paul, Reagan proved that deficits don't matter." Dick Cheney
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#24
Being a bit picky here, I don't think Job was an Arab; I think he was a Middle Easterner, not a descendant of Hagar. I believe all Arabs descend from Hagar's son Ishmael. The Iranians/Persians, of course, are Muslims but not Arabs. And as Palladin points out, there are Christian Arabs who are not suicide bombers.

But as Palladin pointed out, we are all apparently descended from Middle Easterners. Urrh, unless we're all descended from Africans. On his first crusade to Asia, Dr. Billy Graham pointed out that Jesus was an Asian, and Christianity was Asian in its founding. The New Testament and the teachings of Christ can't condone violence.

quadrat, my apology for calling you "infidel" or whatever; I think I did that because I was talking to fellow Christians. Indeed, I wonder why I even bother trying to convince them of pacifism or to disabuse them of their heresy of Christian violences. As Isaiah said and Paul repeated, "All our violences are used Kotex." Or something like that.
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#25
Thaied,
never mind. "Faithless infidel' might have some power when used amongst religious people, but for atheist's ears it's funny. Being infidel is our point.
"You know, Paul, Reagan proved that deficits don't matter." Dick Cheney
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#26
Kamil,
Quote:Quadrat, why is that surprising to you? The whole Nazi Doctrine was written by adopting Martin Luther's writings on how Jews should be treated.
I guess your aim was not creating sympathies for Israel's policies.Wink1 Didn't know of that facet of Luther, he's a national hero. On a clear day, could see the Wartburg from my home, the place where he translated the bible and fired ink bottles upon the devil. Never learned what the devil might have wanted from the obese monk. And what would he have lured Luther with? A diet? Girls? Booze? A catholic cardinalship?
Obviously, antisemitism has deep roots in all Christian churches. The more surprising they are the pets of America, did not one call America a "Judeo-Christian culture"? Reparation of millenia old guilt or practical secular contemplations?
"You know, Paul, Reagan proved that deficits don't matter." Dick Cheney
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#27
Thai,

There is another group of Arabs born from Abraham's second wife in Genesis 251 I think. Keturah.Totally seperate group from Ishmael's lineage.

Many scholars think Job was an Arab. Regardless,he was from the mid east. It is simply wrong to make the claim Anon has that everyone there is culturally animalistic and as such they developed religion with that in mind.

Much from there is extremely progressive beyond Christianity and Judaism,both of which are positive features influencing western civ.

There is Hammurabi,Nebuchadnezzar,Cyrus and their societies which were far advanced over the pagans of Europe and eastern Asia,north and south America in their days.
Europe was nothing more than a bunch of cavemen for the longest time,why did Europeans then not develop some bloodthirsty religion half the world believes in? Because they largely accepted Christ at one time and their culture reflects the implementation of Judeo-Christian ethics after the reformation(not before!),whereas Islam largely influences Arabic culture since 632 AD. Wish Islam could reform,but I don't see the possibilities for it.
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#28
Achilles Wrote:Kamil,

I don't have a clue what a sura is. The Koran is the Muslim book I'm aware of. Are you saying there are no anti Jewish and anti Christian hatred teachings in the Koran?

As for the Bible,there are none,front to back. The Bible teaches that all who reject Jesus as Christ are going to he.ll. It doesn't make a distinction between unbelieving Jews and Gentiles. It expresses that it is God's Will that NONE enter he.ll and in fact that God made it for the devil and his angels,not humans. Go there by your own decision.

Suras are chapters of the Koran, Koran does not ask to attack any disbelievers, but gives right to defend when attacked.
One of the Suras even states that not even trees and live-stock of noncombatant civilians should be harmed, and does not distinquish between Moslem and non-Moslem civilians.

Since I don't know Bible as much as Koran, I'm going to relly on Shumel Golding's article on Anti-Semitism and the New Testament.
Quote:A writer from the Jewish side, Jules Isaac wrote a book entitled “Jesus et Israel,” in which he maintained that anti-Semitism begins with the New Testament. Apart from two voices, very few have been bold enough to place the blame where it belongs.

Father Gregory Baum states that when he read Isaac’s book it shattered him, and so he set about on a task to counter-refute such claims, yet in the introduction he has to admit that at face value certain passages of the New Testament do appear to be anti-Semitic, but says Father Baum all such verses can be explained.

Maybe they can be explained, the scriptures can be stretched this way and that way to make them say almost anything, but my bone of contention is that whilst those statements remain in print in the form of a holy book, men will use them to feed their hatred and the Jew will continue to suffer. Let history itself be our witness, and let history be the judge as to whether or not the roots of Christian anti-Semitism lie within the New Testament.

It will not be hard to prove that the roots of anti-Semitism lie in the New Testament and that its fruits have been plucked and digested by Christians from the earliest times until the present day.

Bible-intoxicated Christians through the ages have thrown in the teeth of the Jews the demonic charges of “Christ-killers” and have fanned the flames of Jew-hatred using the New Testament for their justification.

There are numerous verses found in the New Testament which have caused the blood of countless Jews to be shed throughout history. We will examine these verses and compare them with words said, and deeds committed against Jews by the church and its leaders.

These anti-Semitic statements were and still are the principal cause of all persecutions, oppressions and pogroms in which Jews have suffered. These anti-Semitic accounts in the New Testament have taught mankind to hate the Jew. As long as the New Testament continues in print (at least in its present form) the Jew will be hated. Here are but a few verses from where Christianity borrowed its anti-Semitic sentiments.

“The children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.” (Matthew 8.12)

“O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets and stonest them that are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not! Behold your house is left unto you desolate.” (Matthew 23.37,38) Then answered all the people (Jews) and said, “His blood be on us and on our children” (Matthew 27:25). 1 “But take heed to yourselves: for they shall deliver you to councils, and in the synagogues ye shall be beaten” (Mark 13.9)

“He that believeth not shall be damned” (Mark 16.16)

“Ye are of your father the devil and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar and the father of it. And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not. Which of you convinceth me of sin? And I say the truth, why do you not believe me? He that is of God heareth God’s words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God” (John 8.43-47)

“Stiff-necked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so you do. Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? and they have slain them which showed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers” (Acts 7.51-53)

“It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing you put it from you and judge yourself unworthy of everlasting life, we turn to the Gentiles” (Acts 13.45-51)

“For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, specially they of the circumcision: whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre’s sake ... wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith; not giving heed to Jewish fables and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.” (Titus 1.10-14).

“The Jews, who both killed the Lord Jesus and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they please not God and are contrary to all men: forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they might be saved, to fill up their sins always: for the wrath is come upon them to the uttermost.” (l Thessalonians 2.14-16)

“Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is an antichrist, that denieth the father and the son. Whoever denieth the son, the same hath not the father” (l John 2.22,23)

“I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan ...” (Revelation 2.9,10)

“Behold I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews and are not but do lie; behold I will make them to come and worship before thy feet...” (Revelation 3.9)

These vicious and treacherous New Testament verses, have given the impression that the Jews in the time of Jesus were degenerate and cruel and that they are a deicide race. They have been spread by the church for the last two millennia, and have not been rooted out of Christian thinking to the present day. Even those fundamentalist lovers of Israel, only love the Jews in order to save them from the punishment awaiting them for not having accepted Jesus. They, as much, if not more than any other Christian today, believe that the Jew is guilty of deicide and that his Judaism is an old worn out rag which they wish to replace with their New Testament.

Moses Bazes, author of “Jesus the Jew, the Historical Jesus,” after examining the anti-Semitic statements in the New Testament writes:

“I believe that because of the anti-Jewish narratives of the New Testament, the Jews were hounded from one country to another, denied to live as human beings, denied to work as other people worked, denied to play as others played, were in no country at peace, in no era at peace and finally persecuted and massacred. This was all because of the Christian bigotry and hatred in the name of Jesus. Obviously it cannot be possible to regard Jesus as none other than the scourge of God for the Jews. The tragic existence of the Jews during 1900 years in the Diaspora, the hatred they experienced, the pogroms, persecutions, murders and the destructions they suffered, must be mainly attributed to anti- Jewish statements in the New Testament. Christianity introduced contempt for the Jew and is thus responsible for what happened in the Second World War at the Dachau Concentration camp in Germany and at the Auschwitz concentration camp in Poland. What was started at the Church Council at Nicea in 325 CE was duly completed in the concentration camps and crematories of Christian Germany where six million Jews perished.”

We will now examine the words of some Christian “saints” and leaders and notice how their anti-Jewish expressions are based on New Testament verses listed earlier in this article.

Origen: “Their rejection of Jesus has resulted in their present calamity and exile. We say with confidence that they will never be restored to their former condition. For they have committed a crime of the most unhallowed kind, in conspiring against the saviour.”

St. Gregory: “ Jews are slayers of the Lord, murderers of the prophets, enemies of God, haters of God, adversaries of grace, enemies of their fathers’ faith, advocates of the devil, brood of vipers, slanderers, scoffers, men of darkened minds, leaven of the Pharisees, congregation of demons, sinners, wicked men, stoners and haters of goodness.”

St. Jerome: “....serpents, haters of all men, their image is Judas ... their psalms and prayers are the braying of donkeys..”

St. John Chrysostom: “I know that many people hold a high regard for the Jews and consider their way of life worthy of respect at the present time... This is why I am hurrying to pull up this fatal notion by the roots ... A place where a whore stands on display is a whorehouse. What is more, the synagogue is not only a whorehouse and a theater; it is also a den of thieves and a haunt of wild animals ... not the cave of a wild animal merely, but of an unclean wild animal ... When animals are unfit for work, they are marked for slaughter, and this is the very thing which the Jews have experienced. By making themselves unfit for work, they have become ready for slaughter. This is why Christ said: “ask for my enemies, who did not want me to reign over them, bring them and slay them before me’ (Luke 19.27).”

St. Augustine: “Judaism is a corruption. Indeed Judas is the image of the Jewish people. Their understanding of the Scriptures is carnal. They bear the guilt for the death of the saviour, for through their fathers they have killed the Christ.”

St. Thomas Aquinas: “It would be licit to hold Jews, because of the crimes, in perpetual servitude, and therefore the princes may regard the possessions of Jews as belonging to the State.”

The teachings of Martin Luther:

“Know, 0 adored Christ, and make no mistake, that aside from the Devil, you have no enemy more venomous, more desperate, more bitter, than a true Jew who truly seeks to be a Jew... a Jew, a Jewish heart, are hard as wood, as stone, as iron, as the Devil himself. In short, they are children of the Devil, condemned to the flames of hell.”

“O Lord, I am too feeble to mock such devils. I would do so, but they are much stronger than I in raillery, and they have a God who is a past master in this art; He is called the devil and the wicked spirit.. They have transformed God into the devil, or rather into a servant of the Devil, accomplishing all the evil the Devil desires, corrupting unhappy souls , and raging against himself: in short, the Jews are worse than the devils.”

“What then shall we Christians do with this damned, rejected race of Jews? First, their synagogues should be set on fire, and whatever does not burn up should be covered or spread over with dirt so that no one may ever be able to see a cinder or stone of it. And this ought to be done for the honour of God and of Christianity, in order that God may see that we are true Christians. Secondly, their homes should be likewise broken down and destroyed. Thirdly, they should be deprived of their prayerbooks and talmuds in which such idolatry, lies, cursing and blasphemy are taught. Fourthly, their rabbis must be forbidden under threats of death to teach anymore.”

“Now whoever wishes to accept venomous serpents, desperate enemies of the lord, and to honor them, to let himself be robbed, pillaged, corrupted and cursed by them, need only turn to the Jews. If this is not enough for him, he can do more: crawl up into their...... and worship the sanctuary, so as to glorify himself afterwards for having been merciful, for having fortified the Devil and his children, in order to blaspheme our beloved lord and the precious blood that has redeemed us. He will then be a perfect Christian, filled with works of mercy, for which Christ will reward him on the-day of judgment with the eternal fire of hell (where he will roast together with the Jews).”

“In truth, the Jews, being foreigners, should possess nothing, and what they do possess should be ours.”

“...Cursed goy that I am, I cannot understand how they manage to be so skillful, unless I think that when Judas Iscariot hanged himself, his guts burst and emptied. Perhaps the Jews sent their servants with plates of silver and pots of gold to gather up Judas’ piss with the other treasures, and then they ate and drank his offal, and thereby acquired eyes so piercing that they discover in the scriptures commentaries that neither Matthew nor Isaiah himself found there, not to mention the rest of us cursed goyim..”

“If I find a Jew to baptize, I shall lead him to the Elbe bridge, hang a stone around his neck, and push him into the water, baptizing him with the name of Avraham!.. I cannot convert the Jews. Our lord Christ did not succeed in doing so; but I can close their mouths so that there will be nothing for them to do but to lie upon the ground.”

“I hope I shall never be so stupid as to be circumcised; I would rather cut off the left breast of my Catherine and of all women.”

“If we are to remain unsullied by the blasphemy of the Jews and not wish to take part in it, we must be separated from them and they must be driven out of their country.”

These anti-semitic words uttered by popes, priests, pastors and laymen, were put into action by unruly Christian mobs and later by Hitler’s followers.

Adolf Hitler: “I believe that I am today acting according to the purposes of the Almighty Creator. In resisting the Jew, I am fighting the Lord’s battle.”

Complete article at: http://jdstone.org/cr/files/antisemitism...ament.html
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#29
Kamil,

Schmuel's opinion just doesn't hold water. Anti Jewish sentiment means I dislike a Jew because he is a Jew. Not only is this not taught in the NT,it is not taught to dislike even the hypocritcal Jewish Pharisees,it is simply taught to see them for what they are,hypocrites who according to both NT and OT are following the motivation of satan which always seeks to distort or cover up TRUTH.

The New Testament(and Old) teaches that Jesus paid for ALL the sins of humanity. He is The King of The Jews in His humanity. It is patently ludicrous for Schmuel to then claim the NT doctrine teaches Christ's adherents to hate Jews.

I do not dislike you for being a Muslim,I do not dislike a Jew for disagreeing with me on Jesus being the Christ. I am not supposed to,in fact as Jesus commanded us,we are to love our neighbor as ourselves. He didn't eliminate Jews from that overall mental position for His people.

Pointing out truth is not asking for hatred,if that's the case on earth,all we are haters unless we go around lying to each other about truth.

I've documented the reasons beyond this why Schmuel's theory is asinine. He's a Jew who rejects Jesus as Messiah,Israel is full of them. So is America. I think you understand how I feel about Jews. My respect for ALL Jews is because I revere GOD's WORD. I do not arrogantly take it upon myself to teach hatred of Jews simply because most disagree with me. I have been mandated not to positively.

Most gentiles disagree with me on Jesus,I pray for their salvation,to include you. That is not hatred. But,it is Scriptural Truth that you must arrive at faith in Jesus as Messiah or you will exit earth under the condemnation you were born under as The Bible teaches.

You disagree with this,but the fact I offer this post is not evidence of my hatred for you anymore than it is a Jew who disagrees with me. Nor was it anywhere in the NT Scriptures. Schmuel just can't hack that Jesus is The Messiah and stating this openly causes HIM to hate Jesus,IMO. For the NT is all about Him(so is the OT,but it is not as obvious).
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#30
Anybody who has read the entire New Testament (as few non-Christians have done) knows the Bible is not anti-Semitic, but of course, in Kipling's words, statements can be "twisted by knaves, to make a trap for fools."

Most, but not all, the leading Jews of Jesus' day rejected him, but thousands accepted him, including his disciples (although one was a traitor, possibly because Jesus would not lead a bloody Jewish revolution against Rome). Since Luke never claimed to be Gentile, probably all the books of the NT were written by Jews. Today there are "Messianic Christians" of Jewish heritage. If anything, modern Christianity is too Jewish, and the right wing is too supportive of modern Israel, mistaking it for ancient Israel, when the NT claims that Christians are the new Israel.

Nobody was more Jewish than Jesus and Paul.
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#31
Thai,

Paul was a "Hebrew of Hebrews" as you know and actually stated in Scripture(which I would NOT) that he was willing to perish in HE.LL if HIS PEOPLE the Jews only would believe Jesus was The Christ.

Schmuel seems to need to believe Scripture teaches hostility to Jews,but the NT is no different than the OT,God Judges all Jews who do not believe in Messiah and all who do but blow off His Word in both covenants as well as all Gentiles who do the same. There never has been any difference with The Lord and never will be.
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#32
Pardon me for being stuck on my favorite topic, but this discussion began with a news story about a Catholic nun, a Rwandan, being guilty of genocide.

We worked with Mayas who were pacifist practicing Catholics, who were attacked by evangelical Protestants. Tracy (an ordained Protestant minister and pastor) was working for the diocese at that time, and was encouraged to join CPT. She went to Palestine, where she filed this report:

CPTnet 26 July 2006

HEBRON: Settler youth attack Christian Peacemaker Team member and visitor in Hebron, by Tracy Hughes

Christian Peacemaker Team (CPT) member Tracy Hughes and a CPT visitor were walking near the Beit Hadassah settlement 2:45 p.m. on Tuesday, 25 July when a group of six to seven Israeli settler teenage boys threw large rocks at them. One teenager had been standing against the building and called the others out of the settlement. Hughes sustained bruises to the head and back and the visitor sustained a cut to his leg.

The assault began within sight of the military checkpoint at the base of the stairs to Qurtuba School. The Israeli soldiers at the checkpoint did not respond. Hughes and the visitor tried to file a police report at the Israeli police station in front of the Ibrahimi Mosque. A police officer told the pair that without a photograph of the teens, filing a report would be useless..... This attack in the area of Duboyya Street, Beit Hadassah and Shuhada Street is the most recent of four assaults on international peace workers in the last month.[end of report]

Jews justify violence against Gentiles based on Judaism, in the shadow of the mosque of Abraham. Religion is not the reason, just the excuse.
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#33
Thai,

Did she report back about any Muslims murdering Jews via terrorism?

Don't bother replying.
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#34
Quote:You are a very Sick and Disturbed individual "Q". I can only pray that you find salvation for your soul some day, before it is too late.

I shall pray for you myself. Seek spiritual help. Soonest!

John one of the many things I look forward to in heaven is that no lefties will be allowed. Dont try and spoil that. :lol:

Hitler used christianity to justify his actions because christianity in Western culture is the ultimate measure of moral accountability. If christians in the catholic church stood up to Hitler he would have then accused them of conspiring with the Jews. An animal like Hitler and todays Bin Ladens, Husseins, Amnotamandinijad would use religion, atheism anything to kill people.

Remember a good amount of the US soldiers that brought down Hitler were Christians.
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#35
Independents4Bush Wrote:Remember a good amount of the US soldiers that brought down Hitler were Christians.
Yes, and many of the German soldiers and their fellow countrymen who were employed doing the Holocaust, were Christians. Most Rwandans are considered Christians, and more than a few residents of the former Yugoslavia, and the Northern Irish.....
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#36
Achilles Wrote:Thai,

Did she report back about any Muslims murdering Jews via terrorism?

Don't bother replying.
No need for that; there are more than enough Islamophobes already doing that, including Jews and Christians. Tracy and the team are there, at the request of the people in Hebron, to protect them, using non-violent means. Oh, and when damnable Muslim terrorists blew up a bus full of Jews, several years ago, the Christian Peacemaker Team rode the same bus, to show that they protested the damnable killing of innocent Jews, even at the risk of their lives.
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#37
Thai,

Yes,there is a need for that. That's the crux of the problem you people have. You have little sense of justice. The Palestinian Arabs are a terrorist culture of the first order,worse than Germany in 1940.

These Palestinian Muslims are teaching their kids to hate and desire to murder Jews and to destroy Israel which is against God's Will,your group sides with them as innocents and the Jews are evil. They actually voted in a terror group as their governors.That is your peace.

An analogy would be(and I would not be surprised to find your people did believe this) that the Nazis were innocent and the Americans were evil for our bombing of Germany between 1942-1945.

Your "victim" is receiving God's Justice and you cannot figure this out.

It's as if you are showing your love only to a convicted murderer at the expense of the innocent victim's family and the victim,IMO. You always side with the enemy of Jews and Christians when America or Israel are involved.



God's Justice&Righteousness(INTEGRITY) is as much His character as His Love and we know He cannot ignore His Integrity to express His love to those outside His Will concerning His Son. It seems to me your group are assisting the Palestinian Arab at the expense of the lawful Jew in Israel.

You guys think you live in lala land,but every action affects someone positively and someone negatively when you decide to side with 1 side in a war. I side with Israeli Jews to have a state free of Arabic Muslim terrorism. Period.
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#38
Achilles Wrote:Thai,

Yes,there is a need for that. That's the crux of the problem you people have. You have little sense of justice. The Palestinian Arabs are a terrorist culture of the first order,worse than Germany in 1940.

These Palestinian Muslims are teaching their kids to hate and desire to murder Jews and to destroy Israel which is against God's Will,your group sides with them as innocents and the Jews are evil. They actually voted in a terror group as their governors.That is your peace.

An analogy would be(and I would not be surprised to find your people did believe this) that the Nazis were innocent and the Americans were evil for our bombing of Germany between 1942-1945.

Your "victim" is receiving God's Justice and you cannot figure this out.

It's as if you are showing your love only to a convicted murderer at the expense of the innocent victim's family and the victim,IMO. You always side with the enemy of Jews and Christians when America or Israel are involved.



God's Justice&Righteousness(INTEGRITY) is as much His character as His Love and we know He cannot ignore His Integrity to express His love to those outside His Will concerning His Son. It seems to me your group are assisting the Palestinian Arab at the expense of the lawful Jew in Israel.

You guys think you live in lala land,but every action affects someone positively and someone negatively when you decide to side with 1 side in a war. I side with Israeli Jews to have a state free of Arabic Muslim terrorism. Period.
Worse than Germany in 1940, you say, forgetting that the Nazi war machine killed 12 MILLION INNOCENT CIVILIANS in addition to millions more combat victims, both military and civilian.

My first thought upon reading your post was "horse manure." How many people do you know, who have worked in Palestine? Let's see, I've met Tracy H. and Stacey and Pierre M. and Cliff K. and Rick P. and Gene S. and Claire and Kathy K. and Sarah R. and Mark, and the other Rick and his son, and the retired Catholic priest Jerry, and that Egyptian-American Christian, and probably six more - oh, the old ladies like Ann, not including the Catholic nun named Ann. They've been there, they've ridden the bus route to protect Jewish Israelis in Israel, they've witnessed countless acts of injustice that violate the Law of Moses, perpetrated by Jewish settlers in Palestine, and by soldiers of the Israeli Defense Force. Yeah, I'm ignorant and you are all knowing. I bow to your infinite knowledge and wisdom, brother.

You and I have very, very different definitions of JUSTICE. Read what Jesus said about justice. Reconsider what is meant by "a just war." Modern Zionism is not Old Testament Judaism, and it reverses 18 centuries of Jewish pacifist practice. You and I have no holy crusade orders to go kill Gentiles. And modern Jews no longer have divine orders to kill Gentiles, either. In my humble Gentile opinion.
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#39
Thai,

You forgot,God draws nation's boundaries. Or,you never knew it. Please,don't ask me where that is in Scripture,you've been to seminary,right?

You are working at odds with His Will in assisting Muslims to murder Jews and destroy Israel. Period.

It's a very dangerous place to operate in as an opponent of God.
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Achilles Wrote:Thai,
You are working at odds with His Will in assisting Muslims to murder Jews nd destroy Israel. Period.

It's a very dangerous place to operate in as an opponent of God.
Dear All-Killer,

I do not assist Muslims to murder Jews LET ME REPEAT THAT, AND COMPLAIN THAT YOU INSULT ME AND MY FAITH: I DO NOT ASSIST MUSLIMS TO MURDER JEWS. You, my brother, are the one who's Hell-bent to kill people for whom Jesus died. You WANT the violent Israelis to kill the Muslims, and you want Gentile Christians to kill Muslims.

Which topic are we discussing - whether religion encourages killing? You're the killer, All-killer. I'm not. Oh, wait - it's the topic about the Rwandan nun thinking it was God's will to turn Rwandans over to their sure death. I read a book about that genocide, entitled something like "Dear Employer, I cannot be at work tomorrow because they're going to kill me." Don't you think that nun believed she was operating as a divine agent of God? Maybe she thought she was a Jewish nun, and her fellow Rwandans were Amalekites. Do you take any instructions whatsoever from the holy commands in the New Testament, brother?
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