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Muslims Anger because London Olympics Clash With Ramadan
#1
This is interesting. It has been stated that Islam needs to come out of the 12th century in order to become a modern religion. Europe and the Christian Church revised the calander centuries ago, can't remember exactly when. However, Ramadan is based upon the lunar cycle and thus comes earlier by about 11-12 days annually. I wonder if Islam will ever bother to use the more accurate calander system anytime in the near future.

Are there any muslims, who have a comment about this controversary?


Quote:The 2012 London Olympics have been plunged into controversy by the discovery that the Games will clash with Ramadan, the most holy month in the Islamic calendar.

The clash will put Muslim athletes at a disadvantage as they will be expected to fast from sunrise to sunset for the entire duration of the Games.

In 2012, Ramadan will take place from July 21 to August 20, while the Olympics run from July 27 to August 12. An anticipated 3,000 Muslim competitors are expected to be affected. About a quarter of the 11,099 athletes who took part in the 2004 Athens Olympics came from countries with predominantly Muslim populations.

Because the Muslim calendar is based on a lunar cycle, the ninth month of Ramadan - which runs from the appearance of one new crescent moon to the next - gets earlier by around 11 days each year.

The clash will be a huge embarrassment for Lord Coe, Culture Secretary Tessa Jowell, and London Mayor Ken Livingstone, who have been keen to ensure the Games involve all Britain’s ethnic communities.

Massoud Shadjareh, chairman of the London-based Islamic Human Rights Commission, said: “They would not have organised this at Christmas. It is equally stupid to organise it at Ramadan. It shows a complete lack of awareness and sensitivity.”

“This is going to disadvantage the athletes and alienate the Asian communities by saying they don’t matter.” [And this, of course, will force them to become violent. —ed.]

“It’s not only going to affect the participants it’s going to affect all the people who want to watch the Games. They won’t want to travel during Ramadan and they won’t want to watch sport. It’s a spiritual time.”
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#2
Actually,if Livingstone has input,they might switch it to Christmas. No one in England would care. There may be more Muslims there anyway.
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hhhmmm that does pose a problem now doesn't it... do you think that they may change the games? So that they may be earlier or later, but still in the summer?


I highly doubt that the calender will be changed in this respect, they don't strike me as the type of religion that would be able to 'handle' such a change.
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Palladin Wrote:Actually,if Livingstone has input,they might switch it to Christmas. No one in England would care. There may be more Muslims there anyway.

Sure, let's have summer olympics in the middle of winter. That will do it! Wink1
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targo88 Wrote:hhhmmm that does pose a problem now doesn't it... do you think that they may change the games? So that they may be earlier or later, but still in the summer?


I highly doubt that the calender will be changed in this respect, they don't strike me as the type of religion that would be able to 'handle' such a change.

They don't seem to have that problem when they are out killing each other, which is very common.
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John L Wrote:
targo88 Wrote:hhhmmm that does pose a problem now doesn't it... do you think that they may change the games? So that they may be earlier or later, but still in the summer?


I highly doubt that the calender will be changed in this respect, they don't strike me as the type of religion that would be able to 'handle' such a change.

They don't seem to have that problem when they are out killing each other, which is very common.



but that is meeting their agenda not the agenda of the world.....


The way I see it they are not going to budge on this point but inorder for the rest of the world and the olympic commity to NOT appear racist in any way they will HAVE to change the date. Otherwise there will be protest and it will become something sinister and twisted.
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I think we could appease them by offering to include "martyrdom operations" as an Olympic contest,what about that? That will be held in Baghdad I think.
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targo88 Wrote:The way I see it they are not going to budge on this point but inorder for the rest of the world and the olympic commity to NOT appear racist in any way they will HAVE to change the date. Otherwise there will be protest and it will become something sinister and twisted.

They have no incintive to acquiesce. The west folds like a piece of soft luggage every time they try outrage. I suppose the burning of a British embassy somewhere in the world of Islam will seal the deal if the blokes look like they will stiffen their upper lip. Wink1
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John L Wrote:
targo88 Wrote:The way I see it they are not going to budge on this point but inorder for the rest of the world and the olympic commity to NOT appear racist in any way they will HAVE to change the date. Otherwise there will be protest and it will become something sinister and twisted.

They have no incintive to acquiesce. The west folds like a piece of soft luggage every time they try outrage. I suppose the burning of a British embassy somewhere in the world of Islam will seal the deal if the blokes look like they will stiffen their upper lip. Wink1


It makes me wonder why the 'west' can't call BS here....can't throw up their hands in protest. Look at all we have had to do for westernized religions inorder to accomodate others.... yet this battle will surely be lost so why even fight it? right?
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#10
Turkey switched to Christian calendar in the early 1920s. Ottoman Empire was using combination of both calendars before that. I think many other Moslem nations are also using combination of both calendars.

Personally, I think that Month of Ramadan should be fixed so that it always fall in the month that have shortest daylight hours. Doing so it will make it much easier to fast.
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#11
Kamil,

I think these guys would find a way to make representations on some charge anyway even if the calendar is changed. It seems to me a form of arrogance.

If I lived in Turkey,do you think I would demand Turks show me deference or do you think I would go about my life and be thankful I was given the personal freedom to be a Christian in a majority Muslim state?

I hope you say option B,cause that would be my attitude.
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#12
Of course it is option B.

I would say, "Love it, or leave it". The saying also goes to the British Moslems.

After all that is said, I went to Austrian Highschool (Saint George) in Turkey, we used to get off during all major Christian and Moslem Holidays S2, and the Mid Semester break included Christmas and New Year Holidays.
Anyway, New Year is celebrated at 31 December in Turkey, and in Christmas season, Istanbul and other major cities are decorated like any other European country by merchants. So you might feel no need to ask for any special treatment.
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#13
Well, it's six year away, so changing the date should be easy, if that's what they want to do.

However, I will note that devout Christians do not get an exemption for competing on Sunday, nor do devout Jews get an exemption for competing on Saturday.

So, I say keep the date as is, and Muslims can follow their individual conscience as to whether or not they fast.

-S
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Turkey has one Israeli soccer player in a professional team. When one of the important games was scheduled on Yom Kippur Holiday, the league changed the schedule by one day.

Moslem equivelant day of Sunday is Friday, as far as I know there is no problem in playing that day.

Ramadan will be more equivelant to week of Christmas to Newyear.
However Ramadan lasts for 30 days, I think it is much harder to schedule some events when that many days are involved.

I think for sportsmen who wants to fast, areligious leader could issue permission to fast at a later date.
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#15
I wouldn't care if games were held on Sundays or Christmas here,neither would offend me. As I see it from Scripture,there are no special days in the Church age.
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