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150 years ago, Neanderthal man discovered
Quadrat, my parents did not decide my religious beliefs for me. My mother is Baptist, though she does not presently attend church. My father was ambivalent about religion--his mother was a believer, and his father was an atheist. I became a Seventh-day Adventist on my own, at the age of 16, by reading the church's literature and comparing it for myself to what the Bible says. I was convinced of the reliability and supreme authority of the Bible because of the complete reliability and clear insight of Bible prophecy (only the True God could know the future with such perfect accuracy), and because I have tried experimentally for myself and found that the religion of Christ works, and I have a consciousness of a Divine Person at the other end of my prayers.

There are creationist geologists, and creationist scientists have devised their own geological column, that actually explains all the data that we find much better than does uniformitarian geology.

You know how uniformitarian geologists identify the age of the various layers of rock, don't you? They go by index fossils. If those fossils are found in a layer, then they conclude that layer is the same age they assume for the fossils. Then when you ask them how they know the age of the fossils, they say it is because of which rock layers they are found in. Nowhere in all of human intellectual exercise is the foible of circular reasoning more clearly and comically demonstrated than in uniformitarian geology and biology. This becomes even more comical when you realize that already more than half a dozen previously claimed "index fossils" have been discovered to be from species that have been discovered to still be alive today.

We are told that various rock layers were deposited gradually, over millions of years. Then we find sites where those same rock layers are penetrated by fossilized trees that extend through dozens of layers. This kind of makes you wonder how the layers of sediment that became the rock strata could have been deposited over millions of years, without the exposed portions of the trees rotting away before they were covered over by succeeding layers of sediment eons later.
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John,
Quote:What I find so interesting "Q" is that you are so adament about there being No G-d, that you are setting up your atheistic beliefs to be a G-d unto itself. It gives you something to have faith with, and just solidifys Michael Crichton's thesis that All of us humans are constantly striving for a diety, because it is built into our genes.
If you were not, you would not be making such a big deal out of it. In other words, you would not care one way or the other, because the subject was not worth arguing. So instead, you present us with your own diety, which is Atheism. Congratulations.
That's your belief, not mine. No, atheism is no diety and no surrogate religion either. I'm not pre-programmed to seek for divine creatures, I'm curious about different opinions. Humans are universally looking for answers, that's caused by brains. Genes have nothing to do with that. Besides, are dieties not the easy way out for anybody who is overwhelmed by the flood of questions that cannot be answered yet satisfactorily by science?
I'm really surprised by Ron's statements, those creationists have pretty complete theories to explain the world too. Makes obviously sense for them. Had no talks with creationists before.
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Back on the trail of Neanderthal, this little discovery has cropped up in France, which shows Neanderthal cultural activity way before modern Homos entered the scene of the European Pleistocene.  The age alone is highly significant.

French cave sheds new light on the Neanderthals
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Why is the dating significant to us?
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(05-29-2016, 07:39 PM)Palladin Wrote: Why is the dating significant to us?

Take a few minutes and read the article.  Then compare the date to what we tend to think of Neanderthals.  Remember the old saying about them?
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I'm out of the loop on this type issue. I see they are way older than we thought, just don't see how it affects us beyond our understanding of our precursors gets a little more focused.
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(05-30-2016, 11:39 AM)Palladin Wrote: I'm out of the loop on this type issue. I see they are way older than we thought, just don't see how it affects us beyond our understanding of our precursors gets a little more focused.

No, they aren't way older than we thought.  What is so amazing is that we continually "Misunderestimate" them, as Junior puts it.  S13

For over a century, we modern humans were convinced these lowly folks were nothing but primitive, knuckle-dragging beasts, who happened to resemble humans.  

Then we discovered that they actually had larger brains than modern humans.  What, you're kidding!

Then we discovered that they actually used ceremonial burials, just like modern humans.  Holy Cow!

Then we discovered that they were sophisticated tool makers/users.  Joe, Say it ain't so!

Then we discovered that they communicated like we do.  They didn't just grunt either.  Wow!

And now, we realize that they created religious shrines, but also as importantly, they used fire Waaaaay back over one hundred and seventy thousand years ago.  Suddenly we are all stupefied over all this.   They actually had to carry a means of seeing in that long cave.  That means that they actually had tamed fire.  Do you realize the implications to all this?

They were doing this way before modern humans ever arrived on the scene.
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How about this discovery?

https://www.yahoo.com/news/newfound-huma...40359.html
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(07-02-2016, 10:10 AM)Palladin Wrote: How about this discovery?

https://www.yahoo.com/news/newfound-huma...40359.html

The interesting thing is that they keep adding homo this, and homo that as though there are new species out there. But in fact, it is just one overall gene pool, separated by distance and geography, that is adapting to their different environments.

And being a Milford Wolpoff type, all this "Out of Africa" hype is just a side show. Humans radiated outward, adapted to the environment, and their physical frames adapted as well. Then with each group moving out of Africa, they came in contact with the ones already there, and did what came naturally. They shared their genes with the existing group, and 'verse visa'.

You can see the very same thing going on right now. Mongoloids, Caucasoids, Negroids, Australoids, and Capoids(Carlton S. Coon speak), all living in certain areas of the globe, having their own combination of unique genes. And now, thanks to technology, they are mixing those genes with the other groups, making a huge mixing bowl within the gene pool of [/i]genus homo[/i].

Your daughter-in-law is just one of millions of examples. We're mixing our different genes, and slowly working our way into a more efficient and handsome frame. It all boils down to that thing called "the Golden Ratio", because the best functionality is also the best looking. And this also pertains to the entire frame, not just the face. Humans continue to adapt to their surroundings, but are always drawn back to the Golden Ration in the end. But we maintain those genetic characteristics that make us more efficient, and advanced. I'll bet you if we come in contact with aliens, they will also be physically following the same law.
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I figured "homo" meant the base genus so in a way all us "homos" are related. Homo. Never thought I'd call myself a homo.
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(07-02-2016, 04:33 PM)Palladin Wrote: I figured "homo" meant the base genus so in a way all us "homos" are related. Homo.  Never thought I'd call myself a homo.

If you look at the scientific classification section in Wikipedia, you can see that we humans are of the Family Hominidae, which means hominids. Any species in this family is automatically classified as a hominid.

Next down is the genus homo, which includes homo erectus, homo habilis, homo heidelbergensis, we humans, and a bunch of other newer additions.

And lastly is our species, which is homo sapiens. Neanderthals have just been recently added to the subspecies as homo sapiens neanderthalensis, with us being homo sapiens sapiens to differentiate ourselves from them. But after that latest find mentioned in a post above, dating back 170,000 years ago, I have no doubt they belong on a same level as ourselves.
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Hominid, I like calling myself a hominid more than a homo!!!!
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(07-02-2016, 08:16 PM)Palladin Wrote: Hominid, I like calling myself a hominid more than a homo!!!!

Well, that you are also, a hominid. S22
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Its amazing how small things tend to add up, with our understanding of Neanderthals.  Here's one more example of their sophistication.

Neanderthals used resin 'glue' for tools
Study suggests Homo sapiens cousins were more resourceful than previously believed

July 2, 2019

Two caves -- the Grotta del Fossellone and Grotta di Sant'Agostino -- near the beaches of what is now Italy's west coast are producing some of the earliest evidence of ancient humans using adhesive on their stone tools, an important technological advance called "hafting."

The caves were once home to Neanderthals who lived in Europe during the Middle Paleolithic period.

In a study published in PLOS ONE, an international team of researchers that included the University of Colorado Boulder's Paola Villa, corresponding author of the study and an adjoint curator at the university's Museum of Natural History, reports findings that Neanderthals living in Europe from about 55 to 40 thousand years ago traveled away from their caves to collect resin from pine trees, which they used to glue stone tools to handles made of wood or bone. More than 1,000 stone tools were collected from the two caves.

Chemical analysis of 10 flints using gas chromatography/mass spectrometry showed that the stone tools had been coated with resin from local pine trees, and in one case, resin had also been mixed with beeswax.

"We continue to find evidence that the Neanderthals were not inferior primitives but were quite capable of doing things that have traditionally only been attributed to modern humans," said Villa.
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