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Islam: A False Religion
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As I have stated several times before, Islam is a "Cult", masquerading as a religion.  I've said this for years now, and this is one of the principle articles that influenced me on this thinking.

Why Islam is a Cult

Colonel Richard Hobbs is also a scholar as well as a warrior.    

In it he lists the fifteen characteristics of cults as put forth by the psychologist, Michael D. Langone.   If you look at all fifteen of them, Islam, or as Colonel Hobbs says, "The Cult of Muhammad".

Quote:-The group displays excessively zealous and unquestioning commitment to its leader and (whether he is alive or dead) regards his belief system, ideology, and practices as the Truth, as law.

-Questioning, doubt, and dissent are discouraged or even punished.

-Mind-altering practices (such as meditation, chanting, speaking in tongues, denunciation sessions, and debilitating work routines) are used in excess and serve to suppress doubts about the group and its leader(s).

-The leadership dictates, sometimes in great detail, how members should think, act, and feel (for example, members must get permission to date, change jobs, marry—or leaders prescribe what types of clothes to wear, where to live, whether or not to have children, how to discipline children, and so forth).

-The group is elitist, claiming a special, exalted status for itself, its leader(s), and its members (for example, the leader is considered the Messiah, a special being, an avatar—or the group and/or the leader is on a special mission to save humanity).

-The group has a polarized us-versus-them mentality, which may cause conflict with the wider society.

-The leader is not accountable to any authorities (unlike, for example, teachers, military commanders or ministers, priests, monks, and rabbis of mainstream religious denominations).

-The group teaches or implies that its supposedly exalted ends justify whatever means it deems necessary. This may result in members’ participating in behaviors or activities they would have considered reprehensible or unethical before they joined the group (for example, lying to family or friends, or collecting money for bogus charities).

-The leadership induces feelings of shame and/or guilt in order to influence and/or control members. Often, this is done through peer pressure and subtle forms of persuasion.

-Subservience to the leader or group requires members to cut ties with family and friends, and to radically alter the personal goals and activities they had before they joined the group.

-The group is preoccupied with bringing in new members.

-The group is preoccupied with making money.

-Members are expected to devote inordinate amounts of time to the group and group-related activities.

-Members are encouraged or required to live and/or socialize only with other group members.

-The most loyal members (the “true believers”) feel there can be no life outside the context of the group. They believe there is no other way to be and often fear reprisals to themselves or others if they leave (or even consider leaving) the group.


“Islam is not a religion, Islam is a cult”


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"INSIDE EVERY PROGRESSIVE IS A TOTALITARIAN SCREAMING TO GET OUT" - David Horowitz

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(06-14-2018, 08:08 AM)John L Wrote: As I have stated several times before, Islam is a "Cult", masquerading as a religion.  I've said this for years now, and this is one of the principle articles that influenced me on this thinking.

Why Islam is a Cult

Colonel Richard Hobbs is also a scholar as well as a warrior.    

In it he lists the fifteen characteristics of cults as put forth by the psychologist, Michael D. Langone.   If you look at all fifteen of them, Islam, or as Colonel Hobbs says, "The Cult of Muhammad".

Quote:-The group displays excessively zealous and unquestioning commitment to its leader and (whether he is alive or dead) regards his belief system, ideology, and practices as the Truth, as law.

-Questioning, doubt, and dissent are discouraged or even punished.

-Mind-altering practices (such as meditation, chanting, speaking in tongues, denunciation sessions, and debilitating work routines) are used in excess and serve to suppress doubts about the group and its leader(s).

-The leadership dictates, sometimes in great detail, how members should think, act, and feel (for example, members must get permission to date, change jobs, marry—or leaders prescribe what types of clothes to wear, where to live, whether or not to have children, how to discipline children, and so forth).

-The group is elitist, claiming a special, exalted status for itself, its leader(s), and its members (for example, the leader is considered the Messiah, a special being, an avatar—or the group and/or the leader is on a special mission to save humanity).

-The group has a polarized us-versus-them mentality, which may cause conflict with the wider society.

-The leader is not accountable to any authorities (unlike, for example, teachers, military commanders or ministers, priests, monks, and rabbis of mainstream religious denominations).

-The group teaches or implies that its supposedly exalted ends justify whatever means it deems necessary. This may result in members’ participating in behaviors or activities they would have considered reprehensible or unethical before they joined the group (for example, lying to family or friends, or collecting money for bogus charities).

-The leadership induces feelings of shame and/or guilt in order to influence and/or control members. Often, this is done through peer pressure and subtle forms of persuasion.

-Subservience to the leader or group requires members to cut ties with family and friends, and to radically alter the personal goals and activities they had before they joined the group.

-The group is preoccupied with bringing in new members.

-The group is preoccupied with making money.

-Members are expected to devote inordinate amounts of time to the group and group-related activities.

-Members are encouraged or required to live and/or socialize only with other group members.

-The most loyal members (the “true believers”) feel there can be no life outside the context of the group. They believe there is no other way to be and often fear reprisals to themselves or others if they leave (or even consider leaving) the group.


“Islam is not a religion, Islam is a cult”



 Some of his points are true of Judaism and Christianity and my guess is this guy probably sees them as cults also. To me a cult tip off is it seeks to keep adherents away from people outside the camp. Not evangelizing them.  Imams are willing to debate Christians all the time, go to youtube for evidence.
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(06-13-2018, 09:09 PM)WmLambert Wrote:
(06-12-2018, 07:27 PM)Palladin Wrote: ...why is Islam a false religion compared to 100 others to you?...

Perhaps because it is a political regime first and philosophy second. Name any other of those 100 religions which demand its followers are to lie to, enslave, and destroy all infidels who don't follow them.

It's Holy book is all over the place, but the new stuff supersedes the old. If you want to study the written words, you are forbidden to. You must accept it as it is with no possibility of correction, if errors have crept in over the centuries. It is Sharia and the Caliphate. How is it a religion?


 Ever read the Old Testament? Judaism had it's national taxes paid in the Temple. The legal codex in Leviticus and Deuteronomy covers every conceivable activity of a human government in that era.


 If you are going to denigrate Islam, you are going to denigrate Judaism. They're very similar, one Arab centric, one Jewish centric. Sharia law is Levitical law, etc.

 The new stuff of the bible also supercedes much of the old stuff of the bible. Read Galatians or Hebrews.  

 The caliphate is close to the vision of what ancient Israel saw. Mohammad saw the entire human race worshipping God as he understood worship. He just succeeded way beyond what ancient Jews did minus Jesus who has caused billions of gentiles to worship the God of the Jews.


 That's the vision of the Old Testament, check out Isaiah 25:6-9. All the people of the earth are going to worship YHWH someday. That issue is what Peter in Acts 3 said every prophet was about. Same dream Mohammad had and both ancient societies had state functions and religion tied together.

 They do see the koran as literally God's Word like I see Christ.  That's true and so of course  questioning it is sacrilege. 


  But, that doesn't disqualify it being a "religion". 

 It's just a religion predicated like all pre Christ, it involves secular governance. All ancient pagan religions involved the state( often the king was or would become a god and they all claimed their status was due to their "el elyon") and Judaism was strictly involved with the state in every regard.

 Jesus is the only religion to avoid direct secular state/Divine worship modes formally although we Christians sure as HELL love earthly power a whole lot.

 You think Hindusim doesn't involve state functions? Or Buddhism? They do. Go study them. In India they have bills  titled "Hindu marriage Act", "Hindu succession Act".

 The one thing about Muslims being discouraged from reading koran, that's not true. They often memorize the thing. Questioning it is another thing.

BTW, we have over 5000 new testament fragments or entire copies from antiquity and while there are deviations, 99% are things like the same word spelled differently. No theological issue is at stake, even atheist researchers would tell you that.

There's lots of evidence what you have now is essentially what the first reader had. So since the bible has been translated into all lingos and it's essentially the same, the koran probably is because Muslims resisted the hell out of translating koran and again, they see it literally like God's Word in their hands, for a Muslim to switch anything would be awful.

I don't like Islam, but, it's not so different from other religions. There are just more of them hating us because we happen to be the global cop in their neighborhood. Hindus wouldn't like us anymore if we were hegemonic over the Ganges River. Shinto Japanese did despise us until we knocked the hell out of their stupdiass war god, Hachiman.

BTW, there are these things called "hadiths" which are more problematic than koran. IF Islam could become "koran only", it might alleviate some of the violent tendencies. That's what some Muslims will say.
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