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Gaza: ebb and flow
#61
Gunnen4u Wrote:And which of their close neighbors would that be? Lebanon?

Does not have to be "close".

They already use Philippinos, Romanians, Chinese, and Ethiopians workers. Probably some other countries as well, I just don't know which ones.
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#62
Well, bringing in Filipeno Muslims wouldn't help anything, especially if they like the radical AQ affiliated groups that are there.
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#63
From the CIA page on Philippines:

Quote:Roman Catholic 80.9%, Evangelical 2.8%, Iglesia ni Kristo 2.3%, Aglipayan 2%, other Christian 4.5%, Muslim 5%, other 1.8%, unspecified 0.6%, none 0.1% (2000 census)
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#64
I know the Saudis use Filipinos and other Asians to do almost all their work, but I didn't know Israel also did.
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#65
Anonymous24 Wrote:I know the Saudis use Filipinos and other Asians to do almost all their work, but I didn't know Israel also did.

I would imagine its not as draconic in Israel like in SA.
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#66
Anonymous24 Wrote:I know the Saudis use Filipinos and other Asians to do almost all their work, but I didn't know Israel also did.

They do have a guest worker program. A priori, there is nothing wrong with such programs, we have them too. A smart thing would be to expand such programs and cut off pals totally.

Incidentally, the reason I mentioned specifically these countries is because citizens of them were listed among terrorist attack casualties; I *think* but cannot be certain that a Thai was mentioned once as well. There may be a real statistics somewhere.
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#67
PS. Google is your friend: UC Davis Migration center

Quote:Israel is a country peopled largely by immigrants. Since its establishment in 1948, some 2.5 million immigrants arrived, and 70,000 per year are expected to arrive in the next decade, meaning that immigration will add 1.3 percent to its 5.5 million population every year via immigration, one of the highest rates of immigration in the world.

Some 700,000 immigrants, mostly from the ex-USSR, arrived in the past five years.

There are currently 72,000 mostly Thai and Romanian guest workers on two-year contracts in Israel, including 43,000 in construction and 12,000 in agriculture. The Romanians report that the $550 monthly they earn in Israel is almost six times the $100 monthly they could expect to earn at home.

Israeli employers began to import Arab workers from the West Bank and Gaza after the 1967 war. At the peak, 120,000 Arab workers from these areas were employed on a daily or weekly basis in Israel, including 72,000 legal commuter workers. Beginning in 1994, Israel turned to non-Arab foreign workers, after failing to get unemployed Israelis to substitute for the banned Arab workers.

Some question Israel's replacement of Arabs with other foreign workers, arguing that Israel can never be secure if it has thousands of unemployed Arabs on its borders. Even the new guest workers cause problems--Romanians have taken to drinking beer in their off hours in Jerusalem.

Each day in Gaza, a rectangle of 147 square miles, the 16,800 workers who do have permits to work in Israel but are barred from entering Israel cost the territory $1 to $2 million. It has been estimated that each Arab worker employed in Israel supports 20 dependents.
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#68
mv Wrote:
Gunnen4u Wrote:And which of their close neighbors would that be? Lebanon?

Does not have to be "close".

They already use Philippinos, Romanians, Chinese, and Ethiopians workers. Probably some other countries as well, I just don't know which ones.
I think it is better NOT to be close.
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#69
I thought this was relevant.

Right now, I am a bit irritated at the lack of foresight in doling out money these people.

Quote:'PA gets $50m. in aid, then incites against US'
By MARGOT DUDKEVITCH

A report published by Palestinian Media Watch revealed that after having signed a deal with the US for $50 million to help with housing and infrastructure, Palestinian Authority officials called to launch attacks against US soldiers and portrayed the US as "an enemy."

PMW noted that in recent days PA religious officials in radio and television sermons described the US as "the most heretic" among countries and as an enemy who is trying to dismantle the Islamic world. One of the officials called to intensify terror acts against US soldiers in the presence of PA Chairman Mahmoud Abbas.

The report mentioned texts of two sermons conducted on September 2. One was broadcast on PA television and in the presence of Abbas and Yusuf Jum'a Salameh, the PA minister of the Wakf and Religious Affairs: "We say to the dear, heroic Iraqi nation, turn this incident [the accidental death of 1,000 Iraqis] into an opportunity for resisting the [American] occupation, for uniting families, for unifying the forces and for opposition to the policy of dismantling Iraq and dividing it geographically."

On PA radio, Aksa Mosque Imam Ysuef Abu Sneina said "Anyone who watches closely the nature of our world today, can see that the heretical countries – first and foremost, the USA – have succeeded greatly in tearing our Islamic world apart by disintegrating and splitting up more than one Islamic state, intending to weaken it, disperse [its citizens] and plunder its resources It is terrorism, and there's no choice but to fight it.

"As regards Iraq, there is much to say about it. The USA has composed a draft of the Iraqi Constitution in a way that it will serve US interests and enhance the disintegration of Iraq's unity. The new constitution includes federal solutions, which are dividing Iraq into small countries...

"A federal government hides behind it; the seeds of a future civil war... The USA is planning to rule Saudi Arabia and disintegrate it, too, despite the close friendly relations between the two countries...

"Is the USA going to fulfill its ambitions and aggressive plans? And, for how long shall the submission and surrender to the plans of the enemies of the [Islamic] nation?"

Anyone changing their outlook? Comments? MV?
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#70
Final pullout of Israel from Gaza
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#71
Holes made in the Egypt-Gaza Border

Doesn't seem like they are really stopping them.

Quote:Militants from Hamas cleared an area before setting off explosives that blew away a section of the wall. Palestinian security officers present did nothing to prevent them.
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#72
Gunnen4u Wrote:Holes made in the Egypt-Gaza Border

Doesn't seem like they are really stopping them.

Quote:Militants from Hamas cleared an area before setting off explosives that blew away a section of the wall. Palestinian security officers present did nothing to prevent them.

That is into Egypt, not Israel that the article is about.

Let's see if Egypt is able to police it's own border.
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#73
I know its into Egypt.

I just wonder if the borders are going to stay like this, with terrorists bringing weapons back across into Gaza to further the Jihad Hamas still says it is active in.
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#74
Yes, Hama's blows borders for a reason.

Hmm....

MV, it just may be a terror state in the making?
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#75
Gunnen4u Wrote:Yes, Hama's blows borders for a reason.

Hmm....

MV, it just may be a terror state in the making?

More good news
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#76
Looks like we are going to have a major battle soon. Any bets on whether or not the Israeli will make any incursions into Gaza again?
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#77
First fallout?

Quote:DEBKAfile Reveals Exclusively: Ariel Sharon is on the point of stepping down. Barring a last-minute change of heart, the Israeli prime minister plans to retire to his Sycamore Ranch

DEBKAfile’s political sources report that private opinion polls conducted by his team indicated that all critical Likud votes would go against him. Monday, the central committee will decide to bring forward the leadership primary from April to December, as demanded by his rivals Netanyahu and Landau.

He is not expected to fight this decision or respond by setting up a new party alliance. Our Washington sources add that President Bush has been informed of Sharon’s plan to retire.
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#78
John L Wrote:Looks like we are going to have a major battle soon. Any bets on whether or not the Israeli will make any incursions into Gaza again?
Not yet. Let them declare a state there.
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#79
So who's gonna replace him? Netanyahu?
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#80
I believe Landau is the other Likud candidate mentioned recently.

Let's wait till this story is confirmed before spending time on learning who is who....
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