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Ebola In China?
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A good friend of mine today asked me is I had heard about the fact that an outbreak of Ebola was taking place in China, and it was being actively suppressed from the news, but calling the problem something of lessor significance. I have since Googled the "China + Ebola" subject and have come up with some interesting articles. Here is one.

Experts question cause of Chinese outbreak
By Steve Mitchell
Aug 5, 2005, 19:00 GMT



WASHINGTON, DC, United States (UPI) -- Chinese officials maintain that a mysterious disease in pigs that has also infected and killed humans is an outbreak of swine flu, but the World Health Organization has recommended that further testing be conducted to identify the pathogen more precisely, and at least one U.S. scientist thinks it is possible a strain of Ebola virus could be involved.

The disease, which has occurred predominately in China`s Sichuan province, has infected 206 people, of which 38 have died and another 18 are critically ill.

The Chinese Ministry of Health has said the disease is swine flu, which is not actually a flu but an illness caused by the bacteria Streptococcus suis. This disease, however, generally does not cause more than a few cases of human illness and it usually does not cause death in people.

\"I don`t think it`s the bacteria,\" Henry Niman, a molecular biologist, told United Press International. \"The bacteria usually doesn`t infect humans and when it does it usually isn`t fatal,\" said Niman, who is president of Recombonomics, a firm in Pittsburgh, Pa., that studies molecular evolution and the emergence of new diseases.

Niman thinks it is likely the outbreak is due to a virulent form of the avian flu strain H5N1 that has struck southeast Asia and killed more than 50 people.

\"It`s hard to tell what it is without further testing,\" Niman said.

So far, Chinese authorities have been reluctant to allow outside parties access to samples from patients.

Another possibility is Ebola, a deadly virus that kills 50 percent to 90 percent of those it infects, Niman said. He bases this on a report put out by a Chinese Web site Boxun.com, which claimed to be an interview with a Chinese physician who helped investigate the Sichuan outbreak.

The physician, identified only as Dr. Wang, said a strain of Ebola virus had been detected in samples from several patients in the Sichuan outbreak. This would be unusual, because Ebola has not been reported outside of Africa, but Wang said Chinese officials had attempted to prevent any information getting out about Ebola and the fact that the disease has occurred in China is a national secret.

On Monday, the Epoch Times reported, \"The Chinese Communist Party (CCP) has prohibited news coverage, and has forbidden the use of the words `Ebola virus` in reports, instead requiring the use of alternate wording.\"

Chinese officials previously denied rumors in late March that an Ebola outbreak had occurred in Guangdong Province. The pig disease outbreak did not begin until June.

The first human case associated with the pig disease occurred June 24, but Chinese officials did not make this known until late July, and reporters have been prohibited from entering the Sichuan region.

Wang said in the interview with the publication that swine flu may play a role in the Sichuan situation, but \"it isn`t the main cause of the outbreak.\" The doctor also said bubonic plague had been detected in some samples while others tested positive for three diseases: Ebola, plague and swine flu.

\"I believe that this is basically a bloodborne virus with the Ebola and bubonic plague as its main constituents,\" Wang said.

Whether China may have been developing Ebola as a biological weapon is uncertain, but the U.S. State Department said as recently as 2002 it was possible China was maintaining a biological-weapons program.

In addition, Ken Alibek, the former deputy chief of the Soviet biological-weapons program who now resides in the United States, previously said Soviet officials had detected a biological-weapons facility in China. Alibek also said two epidemics of hemorrhagic fever --a class that includes Ebola-- occurred in that area in the late 1980`s that Soviet analysts presumed to be due to an accidental release from a lab where Chinese scientists were weaponizing viral diseases.

The WHO issued a summary of its analysis of the pig-disease outbreak Wednesday, but the possibility of Ebola was not cited. WHO officials noted the symptoms reported in humans are \"unusual\" and recommended \"diagnostic testing to further characterize the causative agent.\"

Most cases have occurred in adult male farmers who had close contact with diseases or dead pigs, and symptoms have included high fever, fatigue and vomiting. This is followed by meningitis, bleeding under the skin and coma in some cases.

Officials at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in Atlanta said the agency had not been privy to any samples from China and did not know if Ebola could be involved.

CDC spokesman Dave Daigle told UPI the agency has not participated in investigating the pig disease because it has not been invited to do so by China or the WHO.

\"We don`t know\" if Ebola is involved, Daigle said. \"We haven`t had anything to test and we don`t have anybody there on the ground so it`s difficult to comment on.\"

Daigle noted that some CDC scientists \"are wondering whether it might be (Crimean Congo Hemorrhagic Fever).\" This is a viral disease that can have a fatality rate as high as 30 percent.

If the outbreak is due to a strain of bird flu, its still vital to get samples for testing, Niman said. This is because those will be needed to manufacture a vaccine in case this flu strain spreads.

Researchers at the National Institutes of Health are investigating a vaccine that might prevent infection with the avian flu that is based on a 2004 sample from Vietnam.

\"The problem is if this is H5N1 in China, that`s probably a bigger threat than the strain out of Vietnam, because it`s moving so rapidly and its more fatal,\" Niman said. The NIH vaccine might not work against the China strain, he added.

Daigle said the flu strain does not appear to have changed much since 2004, but he acknowledged the CDC has not obtained samples from China yet and the samples scientists have tested so far have been from Vietnam and Thailand.

E-mail: sciencemail@upi.com

Copyright 2005 by United Press International
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As you can see, this is not necessarily some fringe report. and here are the things that need to be considered. The Ebola strain of Hemorrhagic fever is a quick burning virus that is much easier to contain because of it's lack of long incubation period. Now, if this new reported virus is much longer, is it the result of mutation, or is it the result of an inadvertant biowarfare experiment that got loose?

And suppose this is the case, think of the implication that this could mean to the Chinese population should it get away from the authorities. And also note that the incidence of communicable disease in China is at an accelerated pace of late. Could this also be due to sloppy bio-military experimants?

BTY, as of now, China has acknowledged that at least 80 are now dead. Knowing the PRC's reluctance to be honest about such things, the number is certain to be much higher.
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Here is another article on the outbreak, from this month also.

Two things are certain. One, The PRC is primarily interested in secrecy here. And two, if an innoculation period is extended within the laboratory, then the danger of any Hemorrhagic fever will be exponentially increased, as it's extended dormancy will allow it to travel around the world before it manifests itself.

Quote:CCP Cover-up Under Threat Once International Organizations Involved

Why don’t CCP officials allow the World Health Organization to investigate and provide help?

Veterinary pathology scholar Liu Zhenyi said that the CCP has always flaunted its “greatness, honor, and correctness”, and is most concerned about saving face. This appears to be a higher priority than people’s lives. Guan Yi, scholar and bird flu expert at Hong Kong University disclosed in Nature magazine that bird flu had infected southern China. Chinese officials subsequently shut down his laboratory, slandered him and said that his laboratory was “illegal.”

Doctor Wang, quoted earlier, who examined this strange Sichuan disease, also believes that the CCP would not allow the involvement of the World Health Organization because it would be extremely disadvantageous for the international image of the CCP. It wouldn’t be just a medical question, but could lead to exposure on issues such as the local medical environment, survival conditions, environmental pollution and political corruption.
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one more reason to make sure we know who is crossing our boarders...
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ghoullio Wrote:one more reason to make sure we know who is crossing our boarders...

That, unfortunately, will not be the problem. It will be from people flying in from around the world, who have legal visas, and coming in through normal means, but having an abnormal virus incubating within them, just waiting to burst out at a later time. The fact that Hemorrhagic fever normally has such a short incubation period works against it. But a tailored one that has double or triple the incubation period will be VERY difficult to stop before it sweeps through the populance.

The problem is that if it is too good, it will also come back and bite the creators of the modified virus. I am not a conspiratorialist, but I would not be at all surprised if the PRC was not experiamenting with this on a biowarfare basis. And if it gets lose in their front yard, they are the ones in trouble. And instead of being worried from an humanitarian standpoint, they will be worried that the outside world will find out. Shock
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I'm quite confident that a virus will be the end of mankind as we know it
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ghoullio Wrote:I'm quite confident that a virus will be the end of mankind as we know it

Not really. Even the Sudan Ebola had a 90% kill rate. That still leaves 10% of the population at worst. Most other Ebola viruses are a 60-75% killer. The old Bubonic Plague was about a 50% killer and the worse Nubonic Plague, was a 66-75% killer. It can destroy civilization, but not the species. In fact, the survivors will be more resistant to contracting it in the next generations.

I believe they call that "natural selection". Wink1
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It looks like another outbreak of ebola in the Congo river basin. Eventually another case will make it's way to more places than China. Will we be able to halt it's spread in time, if it does get out of it's home yard?

Also, it is going to be interesting to see just which animal is responsible for transmitting the virus. Current theory is that either chimpanzees, or monkeys give it to recipients, who wind up killing and eating them.

Quote:Congo Officials Confirm Ebola Outbreak

Sep 10 06:23 PM US/Eastern


KINSHASA, Congo (AP) - Lab results have confirmed a deadly illness outbreak in southeastern Congo as Ebola fever, officials said Monday.

The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in Atlanta and another lab in Gabon confirmed the disease as a hemorrhagic fever, and specifically as Ebola, Health Minister Makwenge Kaput said on national television. More than 100 people have died of illness in the affected region since late August.

Makwenge did not say whether the outbreak had been contained.

Medical inspectors had previously said that people began dying after high-profile funerals of two village chiefs in the region where relatives usually wash the bodies of the deceased by hand.

In the past, Congo has seen large outbreaks of Marburg and Ebola, both hemorrhagic fevers caused by viruses that, in severe cases, attack the central nervous system and cause bleeding from the eyes, ears and other parts of the body.

By the end of August, four villages had been affected and 217 people had come down with the illness, including 103 who died. About 140,000 people live in the Mweka area.

Congo's last major Ebola outbreak struck in Kikwit in 1995, killing 245 people. Kikwit is about 185 miles from the site of the current purported outbrea
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This disease makes the bird flu look like a vacation. Luck would not seem to be with the Chicoms these days. Lots of product recalls, and now this.
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jt Wrote:This disease makes the bird flu look like a vacation. Luck would not seem to be with the Chicoms these days. Lots of product recalls, and now this.

I realize that I could have placed this latest news in another new thread, but the China one was all I could come up with. I suspect that the first ebola breakout could come from anywhere, including the US. All it takes is for a single carrier to hop on a jet and make it to the US, and then mix with the population, such as in a subway. No telling what could happen then.

fortunately, Ebola burns so hot and so fast that it does not have the time to incubate and travel all over before it gives itself away. Thank G-d for that.
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No great risk by such viruses thanks to the short incubation period. They make it to Europe and Amerika all the time, the reason Marburg is named after the German town were it killed a couple of people. What do you think, how many people are at this moment treated in Western hospitals specialized in such infections, and you never learn about it, to avoid panic? Called "Malaria" or so.
Fear salmonella. :lol:
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quadrat Wrote:No great risk by such viruses thanks to the short incubation period. They make it to Europe and Amerika all the time, the reason Marburg is named after the German town were it killed a couple of people. What do you think, how many people are at this moment treated in Western hospitals specialized in such infections, and you never learn about it, to avoid panic? Called "Malaria" or so.
Fear salmonella. :lol:

Still making SWAGS "Q"?
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Looks as though Africans are getting serious to the threat. Kissing is now out.
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