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Bob Geldof is a goof
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Geldof denounced as 'irresponsible'
By Auslan Cramb, Scottish Correspondent
(Filed 02/06/2005)

Politicians, senior police officers, church leaders and businessmen yesterday condemned Bob Geldof's "irresponsible" plea for a million people to march on Edinburgh.

They gave a warning that a mass protest at the start of the G8 summit next month could cause a tragedy and seriously damage the cause of anti-poverty campaigners.

Five miles of metal security fence are being erected around the Gleneagles Hotel estate

Police said they were happy to deal with events already planned, including a march by about 100,000 people on July 2, but could not cope with a million protesters in a city with a population of 430,000.

Geldof's appeal to pupils to play truant and adults to stay off work to join in the protesting was made despite warnings from officials that the infrastructure of the Scottish capital could not cope.

The rock star, who wants world leaders meeting in Scotland to be persuaded to tackle poverty in Africa and cancel Third World debt, was told his call for a mass protest was "emotional nonsense" and could cost businesses millions of pounds.

Ian Dickinson, assistant chief constable of Lothian and Borders Police, said "Public safety is my over-riding concern and that requires consultation and planning.

"We may need to find additional police officers and that may be difficult. There has been talk of up to a million people coming to Edinburgh. Crowds of this size are potentially hazardous. No one wants tragedy to distract world attention from the aims of the campaigners."

Margo MacDonald, the Independent MSP, said the city would be "pushed to cope", adding "We're not a big city, not London or Manchester, and I have a great fear about what will happen."

Tim Steward, of the Federation of Small Businesses, said hundreds of businesses in the city would "shut up shop".

He said "It is irresponsible to suggest this, especially right at the start of the tourist season. Tourists will avoid Edinburgh and shops will batten down the hatches.

"I suggest that Bob Geldof and Midge Ure make a payment of several million pounds to compensate for all the damage."

Ure, the Scottish musician and the campaign co-organiser, called on churches to open their doors to protesters, but the Rev Bill Armitage, of London Road Parish Church, said "I can't imagine my parish opening its doors for a moment. This emotional idea is nonsense. Poverty has to be tackled, we have to face up to it but this is irresponsible. I think it's something people will use, when they have no knowledge of what the issues are, as an excuse to protest."

Tom Ponton, a Liberal Democrat councillor, said Geldof was being "unbelievably irresponsible" and would cause "chaos" on the streets.

"This is just inexcusable. It's a great cause, and I have a lot of respect for the man, but it isn't acceptable that the city should be disrupted like this. To suggest that people should take time off work or school is unbelievably stupid."

Lothian and Borders Police said they expect the vast majority of demonstrators on July 2 to be well behaved and have asked their officers to smile and communicate closely with protesters.

Assistant Chief Constable Tom Halpin said Edinburgh would rely on "British policing" without using brute force.

He said "We do not have water cannons. We do not use plastic bullets. The equipment being issued is the standard baton, CS canister, shield capability and protective padding.

"Our officers are well trained in keeping public order of a violent nature."

Gleneagles Hotel in Perthshire, where the world leaders will meet from July 6 to 8, has been surrounded by a five-mile security fence.
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Of course it is a 'brain dead' and intellectually lazy issue. Throwing money at the third world inhabited by dictators and corrupt officials is a complete waste of time if the starving and poor are to be helped.

The answer is Free Enterprise, of course! Anything less is not worth the waste of time. The money could be spent for better things. Shock
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#3
JL,

FE AND trade with us would help,1 thing is we should start allowing them free trade with us as well as others and make it easy for them to export to us.

Right now I think Africans are outside the WTO.

I would make a deal where it is better for them than us in specific states.
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#4
You know - it is good that dear Mr. Geldof does this thing in Europe. Aren't they the ones who raped the continent with imperialism?

As for free trade, it is far better that Africans be allowed access to a large market.

First off, flooding the area with aid would hurt local businesses and the economy since people will choose that over paying for something?

Second, if we stifle these businesses with aid, their economy remains dependant on us and more of a drain. The populace is then slave to those who control aid, which, more often then not, is corrupted leaders and tribal chiefs, whatever the source of all the butchery is over there.
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www.filibustercartoons.com

'Nuff said.
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Palladin, my young friend... your url address is too long. It doesn't break and causes the margins of your thread to extend beyond the edge of most monitors and we are required to scroll right and left just to read each post. Please edit your post and embed your url via the BBCode instructions. Or go to Options in the lower left corner of your screen.

I ran Ender ragged and smacked him black and blue - but he got it right in the end! Don't make me sterner than I have to be!
Currently piloting an outgoing colonization ship and communicating via Ansible (with Jane's support.) If I was there, I might grab you by the ankle as you walk by, and smack you up alongside your head. If it doesn't kill you - it will make you stronger!
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Works fine for me, O Exalted One. And it does not cause the window to become larger than usual.

I suspect that you must be using that antiquated and quaint little Mac program. Allow me to recommend Firefox as another choice, since it is available in all OSs, even that antiquated Mac OS. S6

Or better yet, if you are serious, and don't mind investing into something of REAL value, try Opera. It is, by the way, the best and fastest browser in the world. Wink1
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Of course I'm using antiquated equipment. When the colonization ship reaches our new home, only a few days will have passed here and you will be long gone and your technology divergent from ours, except what we can absorb via Jane.

However, back in '05, I hear, there was a beta browser named Firefox that was not yet mature and had many problems to be ironed out. Of all four browsers I currently have, courtesy of the Ansible: Firefox, Netscape, Internet Explorer, and Safari, there is good and bad with each of them. IE is evil because it's mama continues to create new exclusive-use plug-ins that exclude the others. Firefox glitches on unexpected things for no understandable reasons. Netscape is mellow but shallow, and Safari faster than any others, but limited by IE's little landmines.

The Palladin url BBCode edit is appreciated, because it fixes the problem for all of the browsers, and we still have a few outflung Fleet ships with outmoded equipment. However, we don't need to see the entire url address string. It is enough to embed the address in initial brackets, with a simple pointer inbetween followed by closing brackets. I find this useful to explain what a reader is clicking to. For instance [ u r l = w w w . mysterious link/page 37-a. c o m ]Picture of my dog[ / u r l ] will not show the address, just the clickable "Picture of my dog." Some browsers handle truncated addresses better than others, but some monitors are tiny and scrolling to read posts is onerous. I say to do it right you need to understand your enemies and see things the way they do - not just smash them into little chitinous ick puddles - although that will do at times.
Currently piloting an outgoing colonization ship and communicating via Ansible (with Jane's support.) If I was there, I might grab you by the ankle as you walk by, and smack you up alongside your head. If it doesn't kill you - it will make you stronger!
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#9
Geldorf made so much money on the internet that he doesn't know what to do with it. He bought an airliner on the internet just to break the record for the biggest purchase ever made online. Then he bought a $30 million home, but has only been in a few rooms and doesn't intend to furnish many rooms. One big ballroom has four bases and is his Wiffleball room.

Shouldn't a person who has a clue raise the G8 questions?
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#10
Is this better? I think i can,i think i can,i think i can,i think ican,i think i can
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#11
Or as Popeye used to say to Olive Oyl (muttered under his breath): You're awful pretty, awful pretty awful.

We are still talking about Geldorf, right?
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Mazer Rackham Wrote:However, back in '05, I hear, there was a beta browser named Firefox that was not yet mature and had many problems to be ironed out. Of all four browsers I currently have, courtesy of the Ansible: Firefox, Netscape, Internet Explorer, and Safari, there is good and bad with each of them.

Of coures the one browser that you don't have, O exaulted one, is the one that will work best for you. It is Opera. Even Patrick has it, as do I. You're problem is that you are too cheap to 'cop' for the thing, so you will just have to make do with all those "free-bees" and suffer as you have always done in the past.

Suffer on, but don't expect me to listen further to your laments, of high and mighty one. Wink1
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#13
Pardon my idiocy, but who the heck is Mazer? Never seen him here before.
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#14
Gunnen4U, you must remember the origin of this forum. Over in the Orson Scott Card forum at OrneryAmericans.com eight of us were treated badly and we formed this place as a direct result. Orson Scott Card is best known for his SF award-winning novel Ender's Game and for the multitude of sequels to it. Please read Ender's Shadow for a great read. Jane, the namesake of this place was from OSC's universe. Graff, Locke, Jane, Mazer, and others were battle school teachers and advisers for Ender's battle school. Mazer was a Maori star ship captain who defeated the Formic invasion fleet almost single-handedly just before Mankind was going to be eradicated from the universe. He went out on a fTL ship and back again to still be able to help train Ender to run the Battle Fleet attacking the Formic worlds, generations after he should have been able to because of time dilation.
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Wow, that is quite an interesting history. Shock
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#16
OK,Geldof the other day stood up at a meeting of the Live 8 and told them all Bush was the best US President ever in relation to helping Africans. That took cajones.
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#17
Aye, but what ELSE did he say?
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#18
I didn't read much negative that Bob said. Bono said he thought we should do more,but that's pretty soft criticism.
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