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Greatness unmeasured
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Qasem Soleimani 10 years too late.

I do not believe greatness is an accident. I believe as our founders that greatness lies within the individual. The Constitution was anchored with the belief that individuals are incredible when allowed to pursue their dreams unshackled. As such the Constitution became the only limit on governmental power in the world. The Constitution limited and restricted the government from suppressing the individual. From suppressing an individuals beliefs, intellect, courage, and ability to project their greatness. It is a miracle that the United States of America ever came to be. Think about it in today’s terms. There is a large contingent of Americans that are perfectly fine with having somebody else provide for their existence. There are others that believe they righteously know best what their fellow American need for existence. Then there are Patriots that think for themselves, provide for themselves, and create prosperity for themselves. That last group has always been the majority and backbone driving America. What changed To polarize our country? I believe the answer is nothing. America has always had fringe groups trying to change what is great about America. America has also always had great individuals through history, each in their own ways, that step up when needed to sacrifice and propel America forward. Donald Trump is only the latest American to step up. Love him or hate him he has made America enormously greater.

To Soleimani. This piece of excrement should have been vaporized long ago. He gained importance during the Iran and Iraq war from 1980 to 1990. More specifically to this post this POS killed over 600 American patriots. Trump killed him. How many American soldiers were saved?

What did Soleimani misting get us? An emotional lowering of the veil. Iran stated that the nuclear agreement was now null and void. Any sensible person knew that was truth to begin. The emotion of Soleimani death brought Iran to state they would no longer abide by the so called nuclear agreement. That statement destroyed the European nations excuse to ignore Iran’s proliferation of nukes. The Europeans are weak. Weak culturally and even weaker when it involves a stance. I often wonder if European weakness is what propels these dictators.

Anybody ever fought a bully in life? I fought one in 6th grade. I punched him once and a head lock later that fight was done.

Punch them in the face and they will notice. Iran noticed and relented.
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#2
Good Points. And I agree.
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#3
OMGitzHIM Sorry but the european leaders have made clear they will put Iran under sanction if Iran doesn't abide with the nuclear agreement and that it can be made very quickly.

The only one so far who allowed, I mean who gave permission, to Iran to develop nuke free of any restriction is Donald Trump.
I know it's a reality hard for you to accept. But one day you will have to.
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(01-12-2020, 12:24 PM)Fredledingue Wrote: The only one so far who allowed, I mean who gave permission, to Iran to develop nuke free of any restriction is Donald Trump.
I know it's a reality hard for you to accept. But one day you will have to.

Fred, are you being cynical, or do you really believe that? Remember, there is a difference between nuclear power and nuclear weapons. They aren't the same thing.
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(01-12-2020, 01:53 AM)OMGitzHIM Wrote: ...America has always had fringe groups trying to change what is great about America. America has also always had great individuals through history, each in their own ways, that step up when needed to sacrifice and propel America forward.

Along with that statement must come the understanding of the effect that comes with normalcy. The patriot who lives positively has eyes wide open and sees much, but not necessarily all. The fringe groups are focused on specific things and ignore anything that bothers their tight focus. That makes attempts to change things by those fringe groups slide by unnoticed.

We used to depend on journalism to keep tabs on the fringe. Now it is the PR group for the fringe.

Isn't it noticeable that the protestors we see on TV are always the same small group of activists? Soros can fund a good portion of them, as has been proven, but the rest are in the wind, with no jobs or dedicated time doing responsible and positive things.
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JohnL Wrote:
I Wrote:The only one so far who allowed, I mean who gave permission, to Iran to develop nuke free of any restriction is Donald Trump.
I know it's a reality hard for you to accept. But one day you will have to.
Fred, are you being cynical, or do you really believe that?

No, I'm dead serious.

Trump knew or had to know (because it's not sure wether he knew it or if he cared at all), that withdrawing from the nuclear treaty gave legal permission for Iran to restart its nuke program as before the agreement.
We had a deal with Iran that they would not do certain things. And now, they can do them.

I agree that the agreement was not perfect, and everybody knows it. Yet it was better than no agreement at all. And now we are with no agreement at all.
I prefer an imperfect deal than no deal at all and Iran has nukes in a few years.

Trump promised a new deal which would prevent Iran from doing more things. But he didn't deliver. Perhqps he thought it would be easy. That if we didn't have a better agreement, it was because europeans are idiots and that he knew better.
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(01-13-2020, 06:06 PM)Fredledingue Wrote:
JohnL Wrote:
I Wrote:
The only one so far who allowed, I mean who gave permission, to Iran to develop nuke free of any restriction is Donald Trump.
I know it's a reality hard for you to accept. But one day you will have to.
Fred, are you being cynical, or do you really believe that?

No, I'm dead serious.

Trump knew or had to know (because it's not sure wether he knew it or if he cared at all), that withdrawing from the nuclear treaty gave legal permission for Iran to restart its nuke program as before the agreement.
We had a deal with Iran that they would not do certain things. And now, they can do them.

I agree that the agreement was not perfect, and everybody knows it. Yet it was better than no agreement at all. And now we are with no agreement at all.
I prefer an imperfect deal than no deal at all and Iran has nukes in a few years.

Trump promised a new deal which would prevent Iran from doing more things. But he didn't deliver. Perhqps he thought it would be easy. That if we didn't have a better agreement, it was because europeans are idiots and that he knew better.

Not so. The "Treaty" gave Iran a pathway to nuclear power on a distinct timeline, yet they violated it from the get-go. Not only did Obama give them a free pass for nukes, he made sure they could violate it with no consequence. Trump said they will never get nuclear weapons as a red line. He proved his red lines are non-negotiable. Consider Soleimani as a speed bump on the road to nukes.
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Then explain to me how Iran violated the deal...
And how the dead of Soleimani would slow their nuclear program...

If I was Iran, I would be going full speed to get a nuke ready ASAP, by now. That's why they didn't want to enter a conflict and made a limited response to Soleimani's dead.
Once they have a nuke, Trump will have to remove US troops from Iraq.

I hope he has a plan, other than another deal, to avoid that.
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#9
Somehow I just keep thinking about the possibilities here.  And the one that keeps showing up is the mental scenario of an orbital station, equipped with a deep penetrating hyper velocity projectile, and pointed tip, which may or may not carry a nuclear warhead.  Imagine how deep it could penetrate into an underground nuclear factory within Iran, and then detonate the nuclear warhead.  Can you imagine what something like that could accomplish?

Personally, I have no idea if there is such a thing, but if I happened to be in charge, I would already have one, or more, sitting up there, just waiting for a need to act.
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#10
Well, I'll be damned, just look at this.

Project Thor
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No one I ever read supported the Obama deal. Here.

Quote:...Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s dramatic televised disclosures of captured Iranian documents more or less confirmed the obvious: Iran never had any intention of forgoing its nuclear-bomb-making efforts, as implied by prior politicized national-intelligence estimates.
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