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El Paso Shooter a Hardcore Progressive
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According to the Gateway Pundit El Paso terrorist Is a hardcore progressive and White Nationalist: wants universal income and universal healthcare, Patrick Crusius admits in a manifesto that he chose a gun-free zone for obvious reasons.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/08...ealthcare/

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/08...s-reasons/
The true purpose of democracy is not to select the best leaders — a clearly debatable obligation — but to facilitate the prompt and peaceful removal of obviously bad ones. 
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#2
I wonder how much coddling he will receive for his temper tantrum?
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"Falsehood flies, and truth comes limping after it" - Jonathan Swift, 1710
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#3
He should be tried quickly and executed.
The true purpose of democracy is not to select the best leaders — a clearly debatable obligation — but to facilitate the prompt and peaceful removal of obviously bad ones. 
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#4
In some form, yes. That's what he is. Bu the most embarrassed is Donald Trump whose racist comments against latinos does resonate so well for the moment.
I'm not saying he is responsible for what happened. but as a president, he is responsible for the country.
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Fred Wrote:Bu(t) the most embarrassed is Donald Trump whose racist comments against latinos does resonate so well for the moment.

Racist comments? Do you have any written or audio of his racist comments?
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John L, there aren't any. Fred just read about them in the New York Times. S1
I know you think you understand what you thought I said,
but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant!
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#7
It is so hard for the political Left to admit that Trump has never been racist. Never.

All they have is a pretend narrative that is pure revisionism. He says something about illegal immigrants - and they paraphrase that into a screed about all Muslims and Latinos. In a logical evaluation, it is the person who lies about the actual words and intent of them in order to ramp up racist rhetoric who is really racist. In business and economics, we use metrics to prove things. Trump has many awards and certificates from Progressives like Jesse Jackson, Farakhan, and Sharpton who measure that.

Trump is close to being open and triumphant when lumping White Supremacists with ANTIFA. It would be better to lump them with the KKK and note that all of them are the legacy of Democrats - not Republicans. He should also make note of the lie from the Left during Nixon's time that all the Democrat bigots and racists became GOP. He should note that all research proved that none of the known Democrat racists and bigots changed parties. It just never happened. George Wallace and White Supremicists were all Democrat and still are.
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#8
Trump said that migrants (from latino america) are gangsters, drug dealers, people with problems, rapists and carry diseases.
But he's not racist. S6
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Fred Wrote:Trump said that migrants (from latino america) are gangsters, drug dealers, people with problems, rapists and carry diseases.
But he's not racist. S6

Come on Fred, you can do better than this.  I recently asked if you would be kind enough to present a quote or video showing him being a racist and saying racist things.  And you still have not shown any.  Its just not there, and he has no history of being a racist.  PERIOD!  Everyone I have ever heard address this, and has known him for years, have ALL denied his being a racist.  

Now, referring to your contention that he stated that Migrants, as in ALLmigrants, are all of those things.  He made generalized statements in order to include the very people we are discussing.  He never, Ever, called them all that.  Granted, some of them ARE Gangsters, ARE drug dealers, ARE rapists, and DO carry diseases.   The truth is that some are all of the above, and almost ALL of them come here with problems.  

But Racist?  Come On, that is something the Progressive Loonies and Socialist Wackos keep screaming about, because that's ALL they can use anymore.  And the truth is that they are exercising one of the oldest human shortcomings around.  They are "PROJECTING"* themselves on to him, through the Media. It's a bold-faced lie, and you should know this.  

Now, does he at times tend to be obnoxious? Yes!  Can he be as tactless as a drill sergeant, dressing down a recruit? Yes! Does he ALWAYS fight back Any and Every time some Progressive Wackos makes a stupid accusation about him?  Not only YES, but HELL YES!!  Fred, I want you to read this and let it sink in.  HE's a G-d Damned New Yarker, and that's how New Yarkers act.  And that's why in, the year of 1964, while going through that very pest hole, on the way to Bremerhaven, to spend a year in Baumholder Germany with my parents, I swore before G-d Almighty that I would NEVER, EVER, set foot in that,.....that,......that Hell Hole again.  And I haven't, either.  

Now, like it or not, he has turned things around, and worked his way around the Never-Trumpers, and Progressive creeps.  He's made fools of them all, and for that I will gladly vote for him again in 2020, because there is not one single person who is able, or willing, to go as far as he has in order to combat the Leftist Kooks.  There is not ONE person, Jackass or Dumbass, who can hold a candle to his business mentality.  But he gets things done, and done in a positive manner.  

Now, one more question Fred.  Can you even fathom anyone other than Trump, who can accomplish what he has, AND help keep the West safer?  Would you put your trust in any of the current Jackasses stumbling around, unable to even put their pants on straight?  What you need to do is what I went out of my way to do.  I now let him Tweet like there is not tomorrow, AND I don't mind it because it literally drives the Prog opposition, and all the Bill Krystol Never-Trumpers, so nuts that they can't even think straight.  And for that one thing alone, I will give him a Big Thumbs-Up.  S22

*Psychological projection - Psychological projection is a defence mechanism in which the human ego defends itself against unconscious impulses or qualities by denying their existence in themselves while attributing them to others. For example, a person who is habitually rude may constantly accuse other people of being rude.
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#10
The fact that Fred "thinks" that Trump is a racist shows that the fake news/false narrative/hate mongers have done their job and convinced folks who don't think and research for themselves their disinformation is "truth".

Well, it is their "truth" but not based on facts - based on their made up "facts".
I know you think you understand what you thought I said,
but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant!
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#11
There is a huge list of humanitarian awards given to Donald Trump. Also note that although many Leftist-liberal Progressives like Jesse Jackson, Farrakhan, and Al Sharpton awarded him many civil rights awards before he ran for office, Leftist-run websites like Wikipedia and Google make it impossible to access a list of those awards, now. This censorship is reprehensible, but indicative of how dishonest and disinformational the Left is. Always remember, their mantra is always that the end justifies the means.

These are a few of the ones the Left couldn't hide:
  • Humanitarian Award by the National Jewish Health (1976)
  • Tree of Life Award by the Jewish National Fund (1983)
  • Ellis Island Medal of Honor in celebration of "patriotism, tolerance, brotherhood and diversity" (1986)
        (Also awarded to Rosa Parks and Muhammad Ali)
  • Gaming Hall of Fame (1995)
  • Star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame (2007)[17]
  • Muhammad Ali Entrepreneur Award (2007)
  • Unicorn Children’s Foundation Shining Star Award (2008)
  • Multiple AAA Five Diamond Awards for his hotels.
  • Palm Tree Award by the Palm Beach Police Foundation (2010)
  • Presidential Hero Award by the Lois Pope LIFE Foundation (2011)
  • WWE Hall of Fame (2013)
  • New Jersey Boxing Hall of Fame (2015)
  • The Algemeiner Liberty Award for contributions to Israel–United States relations (2015)
  • Marine Corps–Law Enforcement Foundation Commandant's Leadership Award (2015)
  • Time Person of the Year (2016)
  • Financial Times Person of the Year (2016)
  • Friends of Zion Award by The Friends of Zion Museum (2017)
  • Sports Business Journal Most Influential Person in Sports Business (2017)
  • Temple Coin featuring Trump (alongside King Cyrus) from the Mikdash Educational Center in honor of Trump recognizing Jerusalem as the country's capital. (2018)
  • Beitar Trump Jerusalem F.C., renamed themselves, adding Trump's name for recognizing Jerusalem as country's capital. (2018)
  • Atlantic City Boxing Hall of Fame (2018)
  • 2018 Wounded Warrior Project Award - commemorating Trump's support for the group during the 2018 Soldier Ride
  • Georgia (country) Presidential Order of Excellence from Georgia (2012
  • Saudi Arabia Collar of The Order of Abdulaziz al Saud from Saudi Arabia (2017)
  • Afghanistan Medal of Bravery, from the Afghan people by Logar Province (2018)

Needless to say... Trump is not, nor ever has been a racist, a bigot, a misogynist, or White Supremacist.
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JW Wrote:The fact that Fred "thinks" that Trump is a racist shows that the fake news/false narrative/hate mongers have done their job and convinced folks who don't think and research for themselves their disinformation is "truth".  

Well, it is their "truth" but not based on facts - based on their made up "facts".

JW, this post reminds me of the old saw about "the lie getting halfway around the world before the truth can get its pants on". I like to look things up, and for some reason did this about that saying, because so many have been credited to this saying. And the result was interesting.

Here is what most likely is the oldest example of such saying in its entirety.

Quote:"Falsehood flies, and truth comes limping after it, so that when men come to be undeceived, it is too late; the jest is over, and the tale hath had its effect: like a man, who hath thought of a good repartee when the discourse is changed, or the company parted; or like a physician, who hath found out an infallible medicine, after the patient is dead.

Jonathan Swift. The Examiner No. XIV (Thursday, November 9th, 1710)

And I like this one far better. So, until someone proves an older one, I will use this one, with pleasure. S22
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#13
Come on John, when he called migrants that, it was clear he generalized. He found 5 cases of rapist of latino origin and build a case to fund his Wall. It's you, trying to defend him here, who said he talked about specific people.

I'm NOT going to post links or quotes because you will inevitably say that it's either leftist or biaised media. And because you have read and listen these comments already.
If an outlet says something negative about Trump it's biaised media. If it says something positive, it's fair and balanced. It's amazing.

Trump didn't do anything for your country: Only illusions that he did something build on monumental amounts of hubbub.

Look. Even his Trade War is racist: Chinese are unfair, manipulator, steal our jobs etc... That's his argumentation for the tariffs. And of course the Chinese are unhappy and retaliate.
It's funny: In Europe we have a 21% duty on all chinese goods and everybody thinks it's normal. Our relationships with China are excellent.
Trump want to rise a 10% tax on some, not all, of these same chinese imports and it's immediately a war, tit-for-tat, name calling and so forth.
This is because Trump is an anti-diplomatic idiot. Chinese are very sensitive to basic respect rules which Trump despites royally. Trump presented the tariffs as an confrontation with unfair chinese, because he believes it and because it sounds goob with MAGA voting base.
We, european can tax 21% and chinese are all smiles with us because we are all smiles with them too.

About the Squad, I can say he has been trapped. The Squad was composed as a bait. And he bit it.
These women are exactly what he is the most allergical to. This Squad had no reason to exist if not to expose Trump's racism. And it worked. He could have advanced thousands of valid arguments to rebuke them as I would do. But, no, he fell in the trap and used only racist comments to confront them.
That was brilliant strategy.


WmL Wrote:humanitarian awards given to Donald Trump.

Gaming Hall of Fame
Yeah LOL S2
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#14
Fred, I'm not going to argue with you on this, ok? I've been very critical of him in the past, so I don't believe I am being biased here. Anyway, I'll let you argue with others.
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JohnL - you can't argue with someone who makes up their own facts or relies on made up "facts", so, I too, won't waste any more time on this with Fred.

This bothers me, though:
Quote:I'm NOT going to post links or quotes because you will inevitably say that it's either leftist or biaised media.

If the "links or quotes" are actually factual, we can discuss them, regardless of source. If they aren't factual, hopefully we can identify and accept that.

What Fred is missing here is that he shouldn't blindly accept what he reads in the media either. If, say, the New York Times has been shown to misrepresent information a number of times, why blindly accept what they say this time? I dismiss what the NYT says about "climate change" exactly for this reason.
I know you think you understand what you thought I said,
but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant!
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JohnWho What media would you accept to read? Brietbart? LOL This is not even a media.

I know that one should not believe everything we read or hear. But when Trump tweets or says something, you can't deny later that he didn't. I don't take Trump's racist comment from hearsays from some leftist journalists but from Trump himself. I watched the video -original versions - and heard it from Trump's mouth directly. And I have read trump's tweets too which I believe to be genuine. Sorry if these videos or tweets are hard to find now. They are several years old. They date from his pres campaign and the wall case build up. Today you find only stuff about the Squad and AOC. The media is very short term. I don;t have time to research the net to find everything and don't want to because these things are well known, and you have read and listen them as well as I did.
You just interpretate it differently.
For you it was not racist. For me it was. OK. Let's not discuss that anymore. I don't want to fight.

JohnL You have been critical of Trump in the past, but now, you are completely blind and illuminated by him. This lack of critical sens is amazing. I'm not even joking. But I don;t want to offend you in any way. I just don;t understand that.

For me the problem is not who else you shouold have voted for. I don't believe Hillary would have been better and never said that. Though I don't think it would have made a tremendous difference in the positive/negative balance.

No. The question is that Trump is representing your country now. And that's why I watch and judge him from what he does and says. What Hillary did or said is of little importance.
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Fredledingue Wrote:I know that one should not believe everything we read or hear. But when Trump tweets or says something, you can't deny later that he didn't. I don't take Trump's racist comment from hearsays from some leftist journalists but from Trump himself. I watched the video -original versions - and heard it from Trump's mouth directly...

No, you don't. I'm sure that nine times out of ten, you see or hear a reported statement from Trump that is reported incorrectly. Take that old statement made to Billy Bush about grabbing women's privates. He wasn't talking about himself. he was reporting what was said at a Leftist liberal reporter's roast. The audience howled with laughter. Do you also know that the remark was made about groupies who throw themselves at celebrities?

Fredledingue Wrote:...This lack of critical sens is amazing.

...I don't believe Hillary would have been better and never said that. Though I don't think it would have made a tremendous difference in the positive/negative balance.

Hilary was mentored by Saul Allinsky. She has been associated with hundreds of criminal deeds and Arkancides. Maybe Jeffrey Epstein was one.

Equating Trump with her is wrong. People who know Hillary personally (specifically, her bodyguard details) all hated her. All Trump's friends admire and respect him. Saying the same lie ten thousand times does not make it true.
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Well, Fred did point out the "Euro" version of "racism" clearly isn't what others would call "racism", so I guess it is a perspective thing somewhat.

However, using the word "Islamic" in a derogative way (even when correct) isn't "racism". Islamics aren't a race, except, apparently, to many Europeans (which also isn't a race).

Saying "build a wall" is racist is only racist to those who are over-compensating for the racism within themselves that they don't want to face.
I know you think you understand what you thought I said,
but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant!
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Fred Wrote:JohnL You have been critical of Trump in the past, but now, you are completely blind and illuminated by him. This lack of critical sens is amazing. I'm not even joking. But I don;t want to offend you in any way. I just don;t understand that.

Fred, I've learned to overlook his lack of tact.  I still don't appreciate it, but he has gotten better over time.  At the time of the election he was almost completely unknown, and I went with what I saw, heard, and read.  But many of the things that would bother me have not come to pass.  

Look Fred, to this Southerner he's just a Damned New Yawker.  That's never going to change.  But he has accomplished things I never thought he would do.  I give him credit for that.  Now, what is wrong with that?  Banghead

Oh, and I'm not blind either. I'm being Logical.
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WmL Wrote:I'm sure that nine times out of ten, you see or hear a reported statement from Trump that is reported incorrectly.
Yes, but the fact that Trump talks about the migrants with contempt is not contested by anyone. Neither by the democrats who says it's horrible to talk like this. Nor by the US far right who says it's great he said so. The old "it's not racism because it's the truth".

WmL Wrote:Equating Trump with her is wrong. People who know Hillary personally (specifically, her bodyguard details) all hated her.
Why do you think that what you have heard or read about Hillary has been reported more correctly than what I heard or read about Trump?

JohnWho Wrote:Well, Fred did point out the "Euro" version of "racism" clearly isn't what others would call "racism", so I guess it is a perspective thing somewhat.
The way Trump talks about migrants would be considered racist by anyone in Europe. Only the far right in Europe would agree. In the US it looks this language is more accepted. Only democrats bashing trump constantly put it up.
When Trump says "they are drug dealers". I'm shocked. I'm as anti-immigration myself maybe as much as him. Read my posting history. But I would never talk about migrants in a contemptive manner.
I know they are not refugees, that they come for the money. But I also agree that trying to do so is fair. I mean they are not bad people for trying to come to our country earning money.
What is unfair is my government not respecting my opinion about that, not respecting the sovereignty on our land, not respecting immigration laws and encouraging immigration with leniency. I blame our politicians. Not the migrants. Because the migrants do what's possible to do for them to earn money.
And I don't generalize criminality to all of them when some of them are criminals. Crimes are to be taken on a personal basis, not as a group. That's my difference with trump.

JohnWho Wrote:Saying "build a wall" is racist
When you pronounce this sentence imitating Trump's voice, then yes, it's racist.
Because Trump always talks about foreign people or entities in a confrontational manner. For him the good ones are the US citizens, and it's fair to think so, and the bad ones are those outside the US and it's not fair to think so. This is racist in some way.
The only time trump speaks positively of the Mexicans is when they deployed 6000 soldiers on their southern border.

It's also wrong to claim that you build a wall to make America great again. There is nothing to be proud about building a wall with your neighbours. Even when it's necessary, you don'y boast it as a great achievement or shout it as a campaign slogan. It's almost indecent.

When the EU made a deal with Erdogan to stop the migrants, it was even worse moraly than building a wall, and it was very effective, but nobody was proud of it.
We are glad it's working but it's not a great thing in itself that we had to do it.

Idealy we would like to have no wall, no deal with islamic semi-dictators and much less migrants at the same time, in a natural way, when nobody feels forbiden to come.
Unfortunately we don;t live in this ideal world.

JohnL
You are not blind because you didn't see the bad deeds he did. In fact Trump didn't do so many bad things. All politicians do, often more than he does.

You are blind, or should I say, illuminated, in the sens, that you believe that he achieved great things whereas he didn;t do sh*t. I still didn't see a single thing he has successfully done. All his actions are either half-way through or about to fail and none have shown positive result.

The economy is great. But it would be as great or even greater, had Trump not tried to interfere.
There is a graph with the unemployment rate showing it constantly decreasing several years back into Obama's presidency and then continuing to decrease on exactly the same slope into Trump's presidency as if the change of president had absolutely NO effect whatsoever on employment. And I do think it didn't.
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