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Autopsy of a Dead Coup
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Autopsy of a Dead Coup   

Someone has to be held accountable, when do the prosecutions start?
The true purpose of democracy is not to select the best leaders — a clearly debatable obligation — but to facilitate the prompt and peaceful removal of obviously bad ones. 
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#2
Still breathlessly awaiting all those indictments that will be handed out........sometime in the future. Gah
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(02-25-2019, 11:44 PM)John L Wrote: Still breathlessly awaiting all those indictments that will be handed out........sometime in the future.  Gah

What goes around comes around. 

There is an element of poetic justice when the favorite Entity pet, regime change, comes back to bite. This one time unsuccessfully, but it is not evening yet.

But all means, let's see all those indictments ... just do not forget to indict little Donny as well, what he is attempting against Maduro is not different from what was attempted against him.  Heck, it is worse : Maduro was democratically elected, Trump only won because of Sanders being knocked out -- in another managed democracy exercise.
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Kinda makes you want to go home, don't it? S5
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LOL. 

Not quite so, there is some hope yet.

Sanders is running -- perhaps under him we shall indeed see the indictments.

And little Donny is becoming similar to Ronny,.... once again, Nancy rules. S6
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(02-26-2019, 10:59 AM)mv Wrote: ...what he is attempting against Maduro is not different from what was attempted against him.  Heck, it is worse : Maduro was democratically elected, Trump only won because of Sanders being knocked out -- in another managed democracy exercise.

The reason the entire world less a few pro-Communist die-hards want Maduro removed is all the evidence that Maduro was NOT fairly elected.
According to the Venezuelan Constitution, Maduro was legally removed for cause. Now what Obama attempted to do against Netenyahu in the Israeli elections was a crime.

Trump beat Hillary because he was a far better candidate. He would have beaten Bernie worse. If Bernie had won the Democrat nomination, would the complicit media do for him what they have done for the Clinton crime family?
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(02-26-2019, 01:01 PM)WmLambert Wrote:
(02-26-2019, 10:59 AM)mv Wrote: ...what he is attempting against Maduro is not different from what was attempted against him.  Heck, it is worse : Maduro was democratically elected, Trump only won because of Sanders being knocked out -- in another managed democracy exercise.

The reason the entire world less a few pro-Communist die-hards want Maduro removed is all the evidence that Maduro was NOT fairly elected.

Not the entire world, only the countries that US still controls, and their number shrinks every time. Majority of the Humanity stands with Venezuelan president.



Quote:According to the Venezuelan Constitution, Maduro was legally removed for cause. Now what Obama attempted to do against Netenyahu in the Israeli elections was a crime. 

You are not familiar with Venezuelan Constitution, so let me explain:

the article that was invoked was Maduro's inability to carry the presidential duties due to his incapacitation. 

This was obviously not the case given that Maduro was on public, talking to huge crowds nearly every day.  

This was only one of the major constitutional violation in the Trump's act; others included the fact that Trump's puppet has no legal standing whatsoever (Congress elected in 2015 was superseded by Constitutional Assembly of 2017 and is defunct), total disregard of the procedure set in the constitution, etc.

Quote:Trump beat Hillary because he was a far better candidate. He would have beaten Bernie worse. If Bernie had won the Democrat nomination, would the complicit media do for him what they have done for the Clinton crime family?

Now, on this What-If one cannot be certain.  Maybe yes, maybe no.  Sufficient part of the Media is left-wing enough to fully support Bernie... and unlike Hillary he has a ground base large enough.  So Bernie-the-president was a clear possibility, and therefore we have sufficient grounds not to think that Trump's election was fairly won -- it might have been a beneficiary of a Clinton's crime.

Incidentally, our most beloved Bill showed up yesterday, to support Trump on the new war effort (tells you something perhaps?).  Bernie also opined, against it.

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Back to the subject:

the analogue of the Venezuelan coup attempt would be Nancy proclaiming herself the acting president due to Trump's inability to do the job.  Now, if she can get some foreign power to support this act, perhaps she can even succeed S6
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(02-26-2019, 03:02 PM)mv Wrote: ...Majority of the Humanity stands with Venezuelan president.

Federica Mogherini, the EU high commissioner for foreign affairs, called Mr Maduro's election non-democratic.

The Lima Group did not recognize Mr Maduro and asked him to revert power to the National Assembly.

The Organization of American States denounced Mr Maduro's election as non-democratic.

Colombia strengthens diplomatic efforts in favor of Guaidó.

The main problem is not the legality of Maduro's position, but the local judiciary that backs him regardless.

The only nations that are listed as supporting Maduro are the Left-wing Communists: Russia, China, and Cuba.
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Not quite.

Below  is Bloomberg's map, which is not exactly accurate, but close to it (if I find the accurate map again, I'll post it).  
Importantly, Turkey (shown), India (not shown) and Mexico (not correctly shown) support the Venezuelan government.  So does Italy.  
On the other hand, Haiti is firmly in the US camp and even paid the price for it. Ukraine obviously in the US camp too.

So... the Entity did not even manage to get verbal support from the entire NATO this time.  As for the material support ... Brazil already stated it will not allow use of its territory as staging ground for US invasion.  Columbian regime might, it is one of the most tightly controlled countries --- lots of US business interest there.  

As for the decisions of the Venezuelan Supreme Court -- they had no choice, the wording in the constitution is clear, and unlike the Entity they do not twist their Constitution like a goldmine for discoveries.  

And, incidentally, the main problem is not the legality of Venezuelan positions -- this is a local matter. It is rather the illegality of the US position which is a threat to the entire planet and also the foundation of what would be done to the US when it weakens further. Nothing to celebrate here.

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(02-26-2019, 10:00 PM)mv Wrote: Not quite.

Below  is Bloomberg's map, which is not exactly accurate, but close to it (if I find the accurate map again, I'll post it).  
Importantly, Turkey (shown), India (not shown) and Mexico (not correctly shown) support the Venezuelan government.  So does Italy.  
On the other hand, Haiti is firmly in the US camp and even paid the price for it. Ukraine obviously in the US camp too.

So... the Entity did not even manage to get verbal support from the entire NATO this time.  As for the material support ... Brazil already stated it will not allow use of its territory as staging ground for US invasion.  Columbian regime might, it is one of the most tightly controlled countries --- lots of US business interest there.  

As for the decisions of the Venezuelan Supreme Court -- they had no choice, the wording in the constitution is clear, and unlike the Entity they do not twist their Constitution like a goldmine for discoveries.  

And, incidentally, the main problem is not the legality of Venezuelan positions -- this is a local matter. It is rather the illegality of the US position which is a threat to the entire planet and also the foundation of what would be done to the US when it weakens further. Nothing to celebrate here.

You might want to check your postings and also your stuttering mouse. This is not the first time I have had to eliminate your double posts. Spiteful
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An easier approach would be to allow the poster to delete his posts.

I saw the issue yesterday, could not fix it.
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(02-27-2019, 11:17 AM)mv Wrote: An easier approach would be to allow the poster to delete his posts.

I saw the issue yesterday, could not fix it.

Not sure I can do that for 'members', but you can always ask me to do it for you. Aww
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