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Ukraine Navy in Action
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Azof Sea naval standoff

reuters Wrote:Russia and Ukraine accused each other of breaking international law on Sunday after Russian border guards tried and failed to stop two Ukrainian armored artillery vessels circumnavigating Crimea en route to a Ukrainian port.

Mariupol is the port the russians always tried to seize but never attacked.
Of course they didn't warn the Russians in advance. Otherwise the Russians would have dispatched more than a coster guard boat.

There are still skirmishes in East Ukraine today. The media don't report them anymore.
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#2
Inaccurate.

Uke boats did not enter the Azov sea; the reporters mistook two of Russian boats that did for Ukrainians.

Russia did not try to capture Mariupol -- they stopped DNR/LNR advance on it that likely would have succeeded, at the time Ukes had no forces.

Yes, eventually Mariupol will return to Russia, like most of Eastern Ukraine and Alaska, just not today.
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(11-25-2018, 12:32 PM)mv Wrote: Inaccurate.

Uke boats did not enter the Azov sea; the reporters mistook two of Russian boats that did for Ukrainians.

Russia did not try to capture Mariupol -- they stopped DNR/LNR advance on it that likely would have succeeded, at the time Ukes had no forces.  

Yes, eventually Mariupol will return to Russia, like most of Eastern Ukraine and Alaska, just not today.

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#4
Why not?

Historically, Russian territory, can be easily absorbed. Local population should be delighted to live under a capitalist system, rather than Anal Communists from Washington.

And the specific mechanism is now obvious, do it the Trump way: the treaty of 1863 was unfair, and will be scrapped, the moment the US destroyed international law enough and is sufficiently weak not to argue with *the fairness*.

So, no big deal, really....

and I vaguely recall about some treaty from the 1830s between Russia and the Hawaiian Kingdom. Perhaps that one was fair enough to reenact ?
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#5
Russia officially sold Alaska territory to the US in 1867.  It was a legal deal between both parties, or did you not know about that?

So when are you going to leave that New Yawk Pest-hole and move back to the Motherland?
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#6
Not a UN-approved deal, if I recall correctly. Thus -- an unfair deal © Donald Trump. To be righted, eventually.

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and btw .. since this was a Uke navy thread ... it seems that there were three Uke boats, now taken over by Russian special forces (fully legal -- border violation).
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#7
Update: The three Ukrainian boats have been captured with their crews by the russians. Russians rammed their boat into an ukrainian one. Also opened fire wounding between 3 (Russian sources) and 6 (Uke sources).

Then Russia accused the Ukrainians of risky behavior. S6

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#8
Quote:Then Russia accused the Ukrainians of risky behavior.

Not without some grounds.

The incident occurred in Russian territorial waters. Foreign military vessels entered them without permission and did not respond to the commands to stop at which point anything done against them would have been legal. And justifiable : gunboats like these are capable of causing damage to the Crimean bridge, which was not cheap to build ($4 billions + ) and which the Ukes vowed to destroy.

Yaakov Kedmi already condemned the Russians for not sinking the ships outright, and perhaps indeed Russians should have learned from the Israelis.... they sink such invaders, cf. Liberty. S6

Regardless, the interesting part is the sequel in the Ukraine. It appears that Poroshenko did not get the elections postponed .. so further provocations from him or his Orang sidekick are likely.
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#9
Yes that's your interpretation.

According to the UN and an international agreement , the Ukrainians have the right to cross the Kehr Strait freely.
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#10
Check the agreement.

They do have the right to cross indeed -- if they follow a very specific protocol which includes getting a permission and a guide from the Russians in advance.

These ships never asked for a permission and in fact it is very good that the Russians captured the ships instead of sinking them -- some very interesting materials onboard, including a written order to violate the protocols.

Quite embarrassing for Anny, the dumb broad screwed up yet again.
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#11
Why do they have to ask for a permission if they have the right to cross it?
Isn't it a safety confirmation requested at the time of arrival in the strait, to make sure there is no danger of collision or something?
The Ukes knew they wouldn't get this permission and tried to go without it. But they should have known that the russians would stop them. Russia and Ukraine are still at war over the Donesk. What are they thinking about?
Not the first time they lose expensive military material in such a way.
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#12
Yes, safety protocol, and the Ukes request passage (must be done 24 or 48 hours in advance, depending on the situation). Russians should confirm it within -- as I recall -- 4 hours. The place is shallow and narrow and collision is a possibility. Similar agreement exists with the straits out of the Black Sea, those are managed by the Turks. And the agreement was operational: Uke's military boats passed through before, last time in September, no issues.

However, this part really does not apply : the Ukes were given orders to sneak through without getting a permission. The order was impossible to execute, Ukes approached the strait, looked and then decided to hide in Russian territorial waters, about 20km off the strait. And this obviously violated all norms, so the Russians gave an a couple of warning and then arrested the boats.

Here is the funniest part : the Uke's commander of the operation previously advocated Uke's Navy stealth capabilities... back in 2014, in a naval parade, this was even shown on the Ukrainian TV .. I saw a clip of this a couple of days ago. Well, the boat was obviously very visible, one can see sailors onboard waving flags ... and the Uke TV anchor said that they are transmitting "Glory to Ukraine" message. Actually, the message was "We are sinking" and so they did, but this part was cut out from the clip......
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#13
Since this is a Ukraine thread:

Uke presidential elections became perhaps the most entertaining elections anywhere in years: look up.  It is not just about getting the votes, it is a proxy war between two oligarchs who hate each other and would not stop at anything.

Here is some Israeli artwork (Ian Kleiner?) showing the 1st round top three....

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now, there are only two.
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#14
After the US, Ukraine too is electing a comedian as President.
It's pathetic! Presidents should be actors. Not comedians.
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(04-26-2019, 03:20 PM)Fredledingue Wrote: After the US, Ukraine too is electing a comedian as President.
It's pathetic! Presidents should be actors. Not comedians.

Correction: elected.

And in fact the US should be envious of this comedy, Trumpgate is nothing comparing to what is going to happen now.  The lawsuits alone ... to stop Poroshenko and 180 of his supporters from leaving the country... to reverse the status of PrivateBank... etc.... rats in a bucket are a lot of fun, after you shake the bucket S6
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(04-26-2019, 03:51 PM)mv Wrote: ...Trumpgate is nothing comparing to what is going to happen now.

Hmmm...there is no Trumpgate alluding to Trump. There is an anti-Trumpgate, however.
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