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Get Ready For 2020 Election Circus
Forest Service Associate Chief Lenise Lago testified before the Senate Energy and Natural Resources Committee over a year ago about deferred forestry maintenance, and stated how it has been neglected for a long time. The Senate asked the Forest Service to prioritize needs and let us know the plan. As of that meeting, the Forest Service was pulling the info together. The hearing, itself, indicates how seriously the government has been to attack the maintenance backlog. However; the House initiates all spending bills, and getting such funding past Pelosi is next to impossible.
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https://streamable.com/72d48a

It appears Nadler may have shit himself.
The true purpose of democracy is not to select the best leaders — a clearly debatable obligation — but to facilitate the prompt and peaceful removal of obviously bad ones. 
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(09-23-2020, 07:25 PM)Canuknucklehead Wrote: https://streamable.com/72d48a

It appears Nadler may have shit himself.

According to his we site, he is still running for another term. S13
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Trump taking inspiration from Lukashenko:
Rejecting democracy, to put it simply.



WmL: I had to watch five versions before I found an uncut one.


Trump Wrote:When you get rid of all the ballots, there won't be a transfer. There will be a continuation.
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(09-24-2020, 11:54 AM)Fredledingue Wrote: Trump taking inspiration from Lukashenko:
Rejecting democracy, to put it simply.



WmL: I had to watch five versions before I found an uncut one.

Trump Wrote:When you get rid of all the ballots, there won't be a transfer. There will be a continuation.

Nothing controversial about the answer. The "continuation" is a double barbed jab at the Democrats. Getting rid of Democrat mail-in ballots moves us back to the normal continuation of our system with the normal availability of absentee ballots - and it also allows a fair and unstolen election which would return Trump back into office. Nothing odd about either meaning.
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(09-23-2020, 07:25 PM)Canuknucklehead Wrote: https://streamable.com/72d48a

It appears Nadler may have shit himself.
If you are suggesting that he is no longer full of it, I'd like to see a better proof. S6
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I wonder how he got home, he couldn't sit down.
The true purpose of democracy is not to select the best leaders — a clearly debatable obligation — but to facilitate the prompt and peaceful removal of obviously bad ones. 
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Uncle Joe just had a massive rally here in North Carolina, and as you can see, it was overwhelming in numbers.

Joe Biden's Massive Rally in Charlotte, North Carolina.
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(09-24-2020, 12:45 PM)WmLambert Wrote:
(09-24-2020, 11:54 AM)Fredledingue Wrote:
Trump taking inspiration from Lukashenko:
Rejecting democracy, to put it simply.



WmL: I had to watch five versions before I found an uncut one.


Trump Wrote:
When you get rid of all the ballots, there won't be a transfer. There will be a continuation.

Nothing controversial about the answer. The "continuation" is a double barbed jab at the Democrats. Getting rid of Democrat mail-in ballots moves us back to the normal continuation of our system with the normal availability of absentee ballots - and it also allows a fair and unstolen election which would return Trump back into office. Nothing odd about either meaning.


One gave up the notion of controversy long ago with Donald Trump. There is no controversy, only derision.
Unlike Joe Biden, with him you don;t need to edit footage to make it funny or unbelievable. The unedited version are even more incredible.

Trump made clear he won't accept the result. He says before while that the vote is rigged. Does't have any proof. I gguess they are searching for any single bit of hint that votes could be rigged but don;t find any.

But it doesn't matter whether Democrat votes are fake or not: The Donald will reject them right away no matter what, even if they ar perfectly legal.
That's what he said. Replay the video and listen.
Trump Wrote:Once we get rid of the ballots,.... it will be peaceful.
He doesn't say get rid of the fake ballots, no, he means all the ballots. Even those voting for him? Maybe.

He doesn't care how many vote for him. Either he wins immediately, and that's the most likely. Or Biden wins, legally or not, it doesn't matter, and he challenges the outcome in court.
He doesn't care and says what he said because he knows that if he has to challenge the result, he will get a majority (50%+1) of republicans to order a recount and discard the number of votes which made the difference in favor of Biden.

The voting commission will be like the impeachment trial: a parody.

I wonder what Trump will do for his third and forth terms: Can he alternate Presidency and Secretary of State or Vice-President? At least once? Is it forbidden by the US constitution?



JohnL Wrote:Joe Biden's Massive Rally in Charlotte, North Carolina.
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These large circles and over-distancing is ridiculous.
They are playing the politization of the coronavirus to the maximum.

Trump plays the same politisation by packing as many people as possible, without mask and no hand cleaner available. But the difference is that, then, it looks normal. LOL.
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Fred Wrote:Trump taking inspiration from Lukashenko:
Rejecting democracy, to put it simply.

Comparison between Trump and Lukashenko is an interesting one.

Not exact: no one doubts that Lukashenko actually won, but perhaps he got 70% of the vote, not 80% -- opinion polls attest to it. The whining from the Trump/Pelosi/etc junta is just whining, not fact-based.

Now, if Trump wins, it would be with a minority vote, he will still lose the popular vote (California!). The case that he actually did not win will be stronger, MSM will support it, riots on the streets are even now way more serious than in Belarus (did anyone get killed there? In the US, daily) and

... what would happen if other countries, specifically the EU, would refuse to acknowledge Trump as a legitimate president?

Invest in popcorn.

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As for North Carolina: shifting demographics are moving NC into a reliable democratic state, same transformation as happened in Virginia. Lost cause for R's.
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mv Wrote:Comparison between Trump and Lukashenko is an interesting one.
IMO, Trump had this idea by watching the news on Belorussia and thought: "If monkeys, who don't even speak english, like Maduro or Lukashenko can do it, why I couldn't?"

mv Wrote:Not exact: no one doubts that Lukashenko actually won, but perhaps he got 70% of the votes, not 80%
Yes, he won by 70 or 80% but only after discarding the votes for the jailed oppositions candidate or his wife. In Russia and Belorussia it's illegal to vote for an opposition candidate.

That's what Trump said he will do: Get rid of all the ballots (in favour of Joe Biden) on the basis that they are illegal and then count exactly how many voted for him.

So Lukashenko's victory is more like Trump's election at the Republican Convention where he made about the same score against his unique and famously unknown opponent.

mv Wrote:Now, if Trump wins, it would be with a minority vote,
Not sure. Biden looks old and tired. He doesn't have convincing arguments like Trump has. I mean Trump's arguments are wrong of course, but they are convincing. When you listen to Trump you think yeah this guy got it right. Not with Biden.

We will see. With Trump's daily blunders, it could be a victory by state count rather than by a majority of votes.
It depends which stupidity he will utter one or two days before Nov 3.

mv Wrote:what would happen if other countries, specifically the EU, would refuse to acknowledge Trump as a legitimate president?

I already started to stack up pop corn in case of a new Covid wave. My daughter bought tablets to cook yourself.

Everything depends on how trump will talk about Climate Change. He has already denied it was a hoax in the previous election debates. If he makes the effort again to show respect for Climate Change, then the EU will respect him as a president.

When you deal with other cultures, you have to show respect for their religion. With the arabs, you respect Islam. With the Israelis, you wear a kipa. With the EU sect, you pretend to venerate Climate Change.
IMO it's something he can do.
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(09-25-2020, 05:49 AM)Fredledingue Wrote: ...Trump made clear he won't accept the result. He says before while that the vote is rigged. Doens't have any proof. I guess they are searching for any single bit of hint that votes could be rigged but don't find any.

What are talking about? have you followed nothing? Trump suffered through four years of Democrats not accepting the election, Hillary telling Biden to not to concede under any circumstances, and threats from the Left of Civil war if the election doesn't go their way, and you focus on Trump?

As for the election being rigged, there is plenty of proof. There have been several mail-in ballot elections in NY, NJ, and elsewhere that have been ruined by the attempt. They ended up in court where the elections were ordered to be redone in its entirety. The first problem is that the Democrats in charge of the voting rolls in blue area have no clue who on the rolls are voters and who aren't. Unsolicited ballots do out to pets, dead people, and to old addresses where people have moved and enrolled in new areas. In Michigan, my sons moved out decades ago, and did all their election updates, but still get official info sent out to my home. My absentee ballot request has aleady been confirmed, yet we still get mail-in ballot requests. I wonder how many times a voter can vote if he really tried.

Each election is run locally, and overseen by the State Attorney Generasl. Most are clueless, or worse.
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WmL Wrote:Trump suffered through four years of Democrats not accepting the election
That's not true. They accepted the election. The only thing they did was to over-investigate the Russian interference. And it had no consequence.

WmL Wrote:As for the election being rigged, there is plenty of proof.
You are talking about past events. To proves something on a future event, you need to wait that the event has already happened.

WmL Wrote:Unsolicited ballots do out to pets, dead people, and to old addresses where people have moved and enrolled in new areas. In Michigan, my sons moved out decades ago, and did all their election updates, but still get official info sent out to my home. My absentee ballot request has aleady been confirmed, yet we still get mail-in ballot requests. I wonder how many times a voter can vote if he really tried.

That's a problem of inneficiency in your local administration.

And you think that somebody will check several millions of ballots and verify all the names and addresses to prove that Biden rigged the elections? Never!
Trump is already saying that, while the voting has even not started yet. It tells volumes about the scrutinity with which he plans to check the alledged illegal ballots.

WmL Wrote:and you focus on Trump?
Yes. Sorry. I know here is not the right place to talk against Trump...
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(09-26-2020, 05:08 PM)Fredledingue Wrote:
WmL Wrote:Trump suffered through four years of Democrats not accepting the election
That's not true. They accepted the election. The only thing they did was to over-investigate the Russian interference. And it had no consequence.

But it is true. The DNC as well as Hillarty pushed the idea that she won the popular vote, and so should be President, She reiterated that when advising Biden not to concede under any circumstances.

(09-26-2020, 05:08 PM)Fredledingue Wrote:
WmL Wrote:As for the election being rigged, there is plenty of proof.
You are talking about past events. To proves something on a future event, you need to wait that the event has already happened.

Not a smart reply. That is the old definition of insanity. Doing the same thing over and over, and expecting a different result. Since the very recent problems with mail-in ballots in different places resulted in the court ordering new elections, we can assume it is part and parcel with the poorly thought-out mail-in ballots.

(09-26-2020, 05:08 PM)Fredledingue Wrote:
WmL Wrote:Unsolicited ballots go out to pets, dead people, and to old addresses where people have moved and enrolled in new areas. In Michigan, my sons moved out decades ago, and did all their election updates, but still get official info sent out to my home. My absentee ballot request has aleady been confirmed, yet we still get mail-in ballot requests. I wonder how many times a voter can vote if he really tried.

That's a problem of inneficiency in your local administration.

No it is probably purposeful attempts at vote-scamming. These places are all blue areas, run by Democrats. Like the military ballots that were found in the trash, illegally opened and all voting for Trump. The Biden ballots went through.

(09-26-2020, 05:08 PM)Fredledingue Wrote: And you think that somebody will check several millions of ballots and verify all the names and addresses to prove that Biden rigged the elections? Never!
Trump is already saying that, while the voting has even not started yet. It tells volumes about the scrutinity with which he plans to check the alleged illegal ballots.

Actually, the normal absentee ballots have many safeguards built in, which the mail-in ballots cannot. The voting rights act and other rules allow security and voting rolls to be authenticated, and the security envelopes protect against malfeasance. The Dems are already saying they will accept ballots that are not secure.


(09-26-2020, 05:08 PM)Fredledingue Wrote:
WmL Wrote:and you focus on Trump?
Yes. Sorry. I know here is not the right place to talk against Trump...

And that is exactly what you did. Spread disinformation against Trump.
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WmL Wrote:But it is true. The DNC as well as Hillarty pushed the idea that she won the popular vote, and so should be President, She reiterated that when advising Biden not to concede under any circumstances.
Yes. But it was very short lived. And Hillary never said in advance that she will reject the result should she lose.

What is incredible in the case of Donald Trump is that he said that in advance.

WmL Wrote:Doing the same thing over and over, and expecting a different result. Since the very recent problems with mail-in ballots in different places resulted in the court ordering new elections, we can assume it is part and parcel with the poorly thought-out mail-in ballots.
That's a technical problem. Not a Democrat problem. How in the US, in the 21th Century, you are not yet able to get a reliable database of your citizens is beyond me.

One citizen = one address. That's simple.
How can someone pretend to be another person by showing another address? Because the administration fails to update registries and forward the datas.

WmL Wrote:These places are all blue areas, run by Democrats.
I thought mail in is practiced nationwide...

But no, it's not the reason. The reason is that Democrats wants to focus on the Coronavirus drama while Trump wants to do as if it didn;t exist.

WmL Wrote:Like the military ballots that were found in the trash, illegally opened and all voting for Trump.
We know the military is not in love with Trump. But it's more pro-war republicans who would do this.

WmL Wrote:Actually, the normal absentee ballots have many safeguards built in, which the mail-in ballots cannot. The voting rights act and other rules allow security and voting rolls to be authenticated, and the security envelopes protect against malfeasance. The Dems are already saying they will accept ballots that are not secure.
I agree it's less safe. But with proper organisation, it's feasable.

I imagine both democrats and republican have access to the ballots and to the installation and to the data and are both able to control the process.
if the republicans are too lazy to check the process when it unfolds, then they should not complain after that the vote is rigged.
And shouldn;t complain before, for the same reason.

WmL Wrote:And that is exactly what you did. Spread disinformation against Trump.
A negative information is not disinformation. I never wrote anything wrong about Trump.
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BREAKING: New Project Veritas Video Exposes Rep. ‘Ilhan Omar Connected Cash-For-Ballots Scheme’

The Republicans play fair, the Democrats do as they please and get away with it. She’s already been exposed for several other crimes and nothing has been done about it.
The true purpose of democracy is not to select the best leaders — a clearly debatable obligation — but to facilitate the prompt and peaceful removal of obviously bad ones. 
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Comparing to what Bloomberg is doing, she is nothing.


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You may want to check VDH's comments on the situation:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVNbbg2e2Go
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Thirty-five years ago I read in Time magazine a Russian politician, or a Russian historian predicted the US would be involved in a civil war within 30 years; I believe it will happen within the next five years thanks to a complete breakdown of society. I'm surprised the right wing militias have not gone after Antifa; someone or some political organization is holding them back. Trump declaring Antifa a terrorist organization is a step in the right direction, the US government can now go after those who are financing insurrection.
The true purpose of democracy is not to select the best leaders — a clearly debatable obligation — but to facilitate the prompt and peaceful removal of obviously bad ones. 
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I don't know who is that Russian guy, but predictions of civil war are many, and they are now coming from very different sources and use quite different arguments. Yes, some notable Russians say this too, but none of the ones I know has a 25 year track record. (There is a Norwegian whose name escapes me at the moment -- guy who runs "Peace Institute" and he did make such predictions that long ago and still stands for them.)

Yakov Kedmi -- who tends to be highly informed and accurate -- is talking about a civil war all right.

I guess we will see.

As for what Trump can and cannot do -- there is that factor that many (perhaps most) in the US government like Antifa better than they like Trump
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