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12 people shot, killed at Thousand Oaks bar; gunman dead
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12 people shot, killed at Thousand Oaks bar; gunman dead

Thank California's gun control law for no one having a gun to defend themselves.
The true purpose of democracy is not to select the best leaders — a clearly debatable obligation — but to facilitate the prompt and peaceful removal of obviously bad ones. 
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(11-08-2018, 08:11 AM)Canuknucklehead Wrote: 12 people shot, killed at Thousand Oaks bar; gunman dead

Thank California's gun control law for no one having a gun to defend themselves.

Emotion trumps logic in the Progressive mind, and especially that Evil Second Amendment that the Founders were so foolish to include in the Constitution.

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The shooter is a former marine suffering from PTSD, his mother was terrified of him, he kicked the walls in her house, why didn't the police confiscate his guns?
The true purpose of democracy is not to select the best leaders — a clearly debatable obligation — but to facilitate the prompt and peaceful removal of obviously bad ones. 
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(11-08-2018, 06:18 PM)Canuknucklehead Wrote: The shooter is a former marine suffering from PTSD, his mother was terrified of him, he kicked the walls in her house, why didn't the police confiscate his guns?

On radio news today, some reporter mentioned that the police did go out and investigate him. But the official report stated that he didn't seem to be considered an immediate threat to others. I've forgotten the exact wording, because I was working outside, but he has been considered a lower risk. Shock
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(11-08-2018, 06:53 PM)John L Wrote:
(11-08-2018, 06:18 PM)Canuknucklehead Wrote: The shooter is a former marine suffering from PTSD, his mother was terrified of him, he kicked the walls in her house, why didn't the police confiscate his guns?

On radio news today, some reporter mentioned that the police did go out and investigate him.  But the official report stated that he didn't seem to be considered an immediate threat to others.   I've forgotten the exact wording, because I was working outside, but he has been considered a lower risk.   Shock

Suffering from PTSD should be enough to have your weapons confiscated, the police should have been brought him in for a mental assessment, they aren't qualified to give an opinion on an individual's mental condition.
The true purpose of democracy is not to select the best leaders — a clearly debatable obligation — but to facilitate the prompt and peaceful removal of obviously bad ones. 
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#6
The police did turn him over to psychiatric experts, who are the ones who cleared him as not being a present danger to the public. Those psychiatric experts were probably educated in California, which explains everything.
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Ronald immediately got to the heart of the problem in his opening post: "Thank California's gun control law for no one having a gun to defend themselves."

Anyone with common sense can see this, but unfortunately "Common sense is not so Common", especially in California. Aww
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(11-08-2018, 10:25 PM)John L Wrote: Ronald immediately got to the heart of the problem in his opening post: "Thank California's gun control law for no one having a gun to defend themselves."

Anyone with common sense can see this, but unfortunately "Common sense is not so Common", especially in California.  Aww

Rather than attempting to run out of the building, his victims should have charged him. A few probably would have been shot, but he wouldn't have time to aim for effect and would have been overpowered in seconds. Prior to joining the Navy, I was was in the Army Reserve. We were taught to attack an ambush because the surrounding area that could be used to take cover was probably mined and booby-trapped.
The true purpose of democracy is not to select the best leaders — a clearly debatable obligation — but to facilitate the prompt and peaceful removal of obviously bad ones. 
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(11-08-2018, 10:58 PM)Canuknucklehead Wrote:
(11-08-2018, 10:25 PM)John L Wrote: Ronald immediately got to the heart of the problem in his opening post: "Thank California's gun control law for no one having a gun to defend themselves."

Anyone with common sense can see this, but unfortunately "Common sense is not so Common", especially in California.  Aww

I read this afternoon there were six off-duty cops in the bar at the time of the shooting.

I'm probably asking a stupid question, but were they armed? Or as the late Brother Dave Gardner used to say, "Were the armed? Of course they were armed,...and legged............"
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Trump was against a law considering psychiatric troubles being a legal reason the remove guns from this kind of people.
|f you remember some here even gave some ho-hum arguments to defend their favorite tv star... Now, go blame California. LOL.
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(11-11-2018, 06:37 PM)Fredledingue Wrote: Trump was against a law considering psychiatric troubles being a legal reason the remove guns from this kind of people.
|f you remember some here even gave some ho-hum arguments to defend their favorite tv star... Now, go blame California. LOL.

Provide a link.
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#12
You don't believe me? Hmmm... wait, till I find some time to dig it out back from the internet.
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But the most important thing in the US today is not to take clever political decisions, it's not to avoid poeple dying or suffering. The most important thing EVER for the US right now is to undo Obama's legacy. Even if 11 poeple die, it's worth the sacrifice.
No price is too big to symbolically oppose Obama.

In fact Obama, not the shooter is responsible. Hadn't he been president, maybe Trump would have signed a law to prevent mentally ill poeple to own guns. But because Obama did it, not only he couldn't make such law, but he was under the obligation to repeal it.

Here you go:


Trump .... has angered gun control advocates who point to an Obama-era gun checks regulation he repealed last year.

Another link here
The Time Wrote:President Trump said the Texas church shooting was largely a “mental health” problem, but at the beginning of his presidency he rolled back a regulation that would have made it harder for people with histories of mental illness to purchase guns.

In February 2017, Trump signed a bill that undid a regulation from Barack Obama’s presidency which said the Social Security Administration would have to report certain mentally ill recipients and people deemed unfit to handle their own financial affairs to the national background check database, NBC reports. The Obama Administration said the rule would have added 75,000 names to the database.
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(11-13-2018, 04:51 PM)Fredledingue Wrote: But the most important thing in the US today is not to take clever political decisions, it's not to avoid people dying or suffering. The most important thing EVER for the US right now is to undo Obama's legacy. Even if 11 poeple die, it's worth the sacrifice.
No price is too big to symbolically oppose Obama.

No. Your own link led to another link that explained why Obama's unConstitutional Executive Order was such a bad idea. Trump is correct. making it hard for dangerous people to have access to guns is one thing. Making all disabled people be lumped with murderers is wrong.
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Sure. Everything Obama did was unconstitutional and bad ideas. Trump is always correct. LOL S6
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(11-15-2018, 04:21 PM)Fredledingue Wrote: Sure. Everything Obama did was unconstitutional and bad ideas. Trump is always correct. LOL S6

Generally, yes. Obama couldn't get his appointees approved, so he brought in Clinton leftovers, and unconstitutionally created the position of Czars. He had 49 with more power than the legitimately approved cabinet members. Obama never allowed transparency like Trump has, but the Dems dismiss his early Tax info he turned over as a smoke screen. With every MSM complicit attack dogs nosing into everything, what can you possibly consider incorrect?
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