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#21
(11-24-2018, 07:13 PM)John L Wrote: ...When Glassman heard about it, he was quick to correct him and tell him that he was Liberal in the true sense.  And he set him straight.  I have listened to Rush since 1989 and know all about his psychological need to please his late Daddy, who died thinking he was a failure in life.

...he biggest problem here is that he is impeding the truth.  As long as he keeps misrepresenting facts, the longer it will take to correct this Progressive FDR lie from 1932.  He knows better, but can't help himself, because of his Daddy.

Even Glassman had to say, "Liberal in the true sense." Because it no longer has that meaning by itself. In the dictionary, "Liberal" primarily means collectivist, yet the "Classic Liberal" sense is still in there somewhere, just as number 4 or 5 in the order of meanings.. If you won't let it go, you will always lean toward being misunderstood. Worse you will appear to be a snob, or else someone living in the past. I subscribe more to the Hannity response: I am not a registered Republican - I am a conservative. To my thinking "Classical Liberal" is too helter-skelter to have a consistent meaning. I will never approve of the Man-boy love association, but they call themselves Classic Liberals, too. If we try to nail meanings as a certain thing frozen in time, we will never be successful. Use the words we have, and adjust our usage so our meanings will express what we want to convey.
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(11-26-2018, 09:22 PM)WmLambert Wrote:
(11-24-2018, 07:13 PM)John L Wrote: ...When Glassman heard about it, he was quick to correct him and tell him that he was Liberal in the true sense.  And he set him straight.  I have listened to Rush since 1989 and know all about his psychological need to please his late Daddy, who died thinking he was a failure in life.

...he biggest problem here is that he is impeding the truth.  As long as he keeps misrepresenting facts, the longer it will take to correct this Progressive FDR lie from 1932.  He knows better, but can't help himself, because of his Daddy.

Even Glassman had to say, "Liberal in the true sense." Because it no longer has that meaning by itself. In the dictionary, "Liberal" primarily means collectivist, yet the "Classic Liberal" sense is still in there somewhere, just as number 4 or 5 in the order of meanings.. If you won't let it go, you will always lean toward being misunderstood. Worse you will appear to be a snob, or else someone living in the past. I subscribe more to the Hannity response: I am not a registered Republican - I am a conservative. To my thinking "Classical Liberal" is too helter-skelter to have a consistent meaning. I will never approve of the Man-boy love association, but they call themselves Classic Liberals, too. If we try to nail meanings as a certain thing frozen in time, we will never be successful. Use the words we have, and adjust our usage so our meanings will express what we want to convey.

Bill, personally I really don't give a Hoot what anyone thinks, including you. Words really mean things, and when the vocabulary goes back and forth, then the language suffers. And as for "Conservative", Everybody living is conservative,....by nature and genes. We naturally resist change. Its built into our genes, and that is not going to change. Those who are not conservative are in the morgue, or on the way there, Period!

And instead of snobbery, I am educating the ignorant, who never knew that. Hey, if you think FDR was your man, then help yourself, because he is the one who did this. Personally, I'm a consummate Individualist, and I believe passionately in Liberty! It comes from the Latin "Liber", and it makes up both 'Liberty' and 'Liberal' for a reason. Anyone who would argue that is hard headed and yes, conservative, because they resist change. Congratulations. S13
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(11-26-2018, 09:38 PM)John L Wrote: ...Words really mean things, and when the vocabulary goes back and forth, then the language suffers.  And as for "Conservative", Everybody living is conservative,....by nature and genes.  We naturally resist change.  Its built into our genes, and that is not going to change.  Those who are not conservative are in the morgue, or on the way there, Period!

And instead of snobbery, I am educating the ignorant, who never knew that.

No one is talking about "Conservative" in the minimalist way you are. It is primarily defined as the antithesis of "Progressive." Forget about the ancient roots of words for a moment, because all things evolve and change. I have herd many bigots and bullies rationalize their values by saying "that's what I am, and I'm not going to change - why should I?" To which the answer is obvious. As long as you live, you change. When you stop changing, is when you start dying.

Instead of saying "Everybody living is conservative" try saying what you mean: Everyone is adaptive and works for personal as well as common good. How they were raised and taught constrains what they think they know, but you can't go backwards to go forward. Yes educate the disinformed, but don't slap them in the face as you argue what they think they know better than you do.

You may have studied history, but I think you would have benefited from my favorite class, the Philosophy of Persuasion.
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(11-27-2018, 04:18 PM)WmLambert Wrote:
(11-26-2018, 09:38 PM)John L Wrote: ...Words really mean things, and when the vocabulary goes back and forth, then the language suffers.  And as for "Conservative", Everybody living is conservative,....by nature and genes.  We naturally resist change.  Its built into our genes, and that is not going to change.  Those who are not conservative are in the morgue, or on the way there, Period!

And instead of snobbery, I am educating the ignorant, who never knew that.

No one is talking about "Conservative" in the minimalist way you are. It is primarily defined as the antithesis of "Progressive." Forget about the ancient roots of words for a moment, because all things evolve and change. I have herd many bigots and bullies rationalize their values by saying "that's what I am, and I'm not going to change - why should I?" To which the answer is obvious. As long as you live, you change. When you stop changing, is when you start dying.

Instead of saying "Everybody living is conservative" try saying what you mean: Everyone is adaptive and works for personal as well as common good. How they were raised and taught constrains what they think they know, but you can't go backwards to go forward. Yes educate the disinformed, but don't slap them in the face as you argue what they think they know better than you do.

You may have studied history, but I think you would have benefited from my favorite class, the Philosophy of Persuasion.

Bill, stick with what you know, not what you think you know. We humans automatically resist change that is unproven and could lead to one's loss of health or life. We Resist Change, Period. Any anthropologist, who has studied human groups will tell you that.
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(11-27-2018, 06:08 PM)John L Wrote: ...stick with what you know, not what you think you know.  We humans automatically resist change that is unproven and could lead to one's loss of health or life.  We Resist Change, Period.  Any anthropologist, who has studied human groups will tell you that.

You are not discussing resisting change. What you are doing is assigning meaning to the word "Liberal" which it does not have. You say any anthropologist would agree with you - but they do not say we must grunt like cave-men to convey communication. Mankind does not resist change will-he-nill-he. Mankind is always questing and testing for benefits. Ones that work for his parents will be adopted readily. Changes which an individual has chosen to accept will be tested, but ultimately accepted if it proves out. He does not reject positive benefit just because it is old. Yes, untested newness is rejected, but once tested and confirmed will be adopted. My point is that change does happen, and with technology, change occurs at an exponential rate. Meaning does not, but what label applies to that meaning also changes.

I don't care if vocabulary is frozen in time forever, what I care about is clear communication and understanding.
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#32
He he.

Pretty lady says stupid things.

S1
I know you think you understand what you thought I said,
but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant!
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(11-28-2018, 06:04 PM)WmLambert Wrote:
(11-27-2018, 06:08 PM)John L Wrote: ...stick with what you know, not what you think you know.  We humans automatically resist change that is unproven and could lead to one's loss of health or life.  We Resist Change, Period.  Any anthropologist, who has studied human groups will tell you that.

You are not discussing resisting change. What you are doing is assigning meaning to the word "Liberal" which it does not have. You say any anthropologist would agree with you - but they do not say we must grunt like cave-men to convey communication. Mankind does not resist change will-he-nill-he. Mankind is always questing and testing for benefits. Ones that work for his parents will be adopted readily. Changes which an individual has chosen to accept will be tested, but ultimately accepted if it proves out. He does not reject positive benefit just because it is old. Yes, untested newness is rejected, but once tested and confirmed will be adopted. My point is that change does happen, and with technology, change occurs at an exponential rate. Meaning does not, but what label applies to that meaning also changes.

I don't care if vocabulary is frozen in time forever, what I care about is clear communication and understanding.

Bill, are you Jewish?
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#34
Just an observation, but for a species that is resistant to change we sure are highly adaptable.
I know you think you understand what you thought I said,
but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant!
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#38
(11-29-2018, 12:55 PM)John L Wrote: ...Bill, are you Jewish?

Non sequitur and offensive, I have no idea what your point is. I guess I'll have to ask racists and bigots what you mean.
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#39
(11-30-2018, 07:39 PM)WmLambert Wrote:
(11-29-2018, 12:55 PM)John L Wrote: ...Bill, are you Jewish?

Non sequitur and offensive, I have no idea what your point is. I guess I'll  have to ask racists and bigots what you mean.

Nothing of the kind, since I am by descent Jewish myself, even though I am a practicing Christian. So there is nothing racist or bigoted about it.

As the saying goes, "What do you get when two Jews get together?" Answer: "Three different opinions." In other words, Jews will argue about anything and everything, just for the sake of argument. S13
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#40
I have heard that joke told by Jews themselves--proudly.

It was also a Jewish writer (I forgot which one) who opined that God chose the Jews to be the Chosen People of the Old Testament not because they were better than anyone else, but because they were just like everyone else, only more so--when a Jew is religious, he is fervently religious; when a Jew is secular, he leads the way as utterly secular; when he is a skeptic, he is the world's leading skeptic.

Other ethnic groups get into this kind of thing, too. Many Irish people are fond of telling jokes that depict Irish as being habitually drunken. The "Fighting Irish" by implication are the drunken fighting Irish. That does not seem to bother the fans of Notre Dame football any.

It is probably too dangerous to quote jokes about blacks, even if blacks tell the jokes themselves. As an ethnic group, many blacks tend to be overly sensitive to any perceived slight, probably because for so long white southern racists tried to justify slavery by claiming blacks were subhuman.

The Irish in America only really suffered ridicule and discrimination for about two or three generations (and has now pretty much ceased), and they were never in slavery. And Jews have pretty much developed thicker skins after 2,000 years of Christian persecution and defamation. Adolph Hitler may have tried to claim they were subhuman, but the rest of the world never really bought into that. And Jews have never been slaves, at least not in Western Civilization in the modern era. (Personally I think the Jews have been the objects of racial discrimination through the ages because it was the Jewish people through whom God gave mankind the Ten Commandments, so really antisemitism is at heart a form of anti-God sentiment.)
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