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The China Confrontation
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I believe we will be seeing many more confrontations such as this in the future.  

China Has Withheld Samples of a Dangerous Flu Virus

This is the Real Enemy, and we had better learn that PRC has the will and resources to be our greatest threat this century. Not Russia.
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#2
Oh Trump is getting reactions. Russia, Turkey, China and if we don't watch our "allies" all are going to be working together against us at various points. Read where Russia and China are going to start military exercises together.

That dollar reserve currency thing is under attack by these states. I don't understand it, but, I have been told we lose that and we lose a ton of economics with it.
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(08-28-2018, 05:15 PM)Palladin Wrote: Oh Trump is getting reactions. Russia, Turkey, China and if we don't watch our "allies" all are going to be working together against us at various points. Read where Russia and China are going to start military exercises together.

That dollar reserve currency thing is under attack by these states. I don't understand it, but, I have been told we lose that and we lose a ton of economics with it.

And speaking about the Russia-China connection, here is an article that parallels my concern about just who our Real Enemy is. Remember the Trump-Putin meeting? I wonder what they discussed? Perhaps the China discussion was paramount. And perhaps this is why The Donald is going "quiet" with Putin. Spiteful

12-Sep-18 World View -- Russia's 'strategic alliance' with China evokes memories of the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact

A "Must Read" article, overlooking some spelling mistakes. I honestly believe that if there is going to be a war with nuclear exchanges, a war between Russia and China will be the one.
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Here is yet one more example of China's determination to be the ruler of the planet. And unlike Russia, it involves far more than military might. The biggest weapons will almost certainly be that of 'technology', and PRC is going 'Full Monty' toward achieving that dominance. Here is one example that really is a Must Read if one is to fully understand the danger China possesses, not just to the US, but to the world.

Quote:How arrest of Chinese ‘princess’ exposes regime’s world domination plot

Huawei stands in the same relationship to the Chinese Communist Party as German steelmaker Alfried Krupp did to Germany’s National Socialists in the days leading up to WWII.

Just as Germany’s leading supplier of armaments basically became an arm of the Nazi machine after war broke out, so is China’s leading hi-tech company an essential element of the party’s cold war plan to dominate the world of the future.

As far as “Princess” Meng is concerned, I expect that she will be found guilty of committing bank fraud, ordered to pay a fine, and then released. Even a billion dollar fine would be chump change for a seventy-five-billion-dollar corporation like Huawei.

The real payoff of her arrest lies elsewhere. It has exposed the massive campaign of espionage that Huawei is carrying out around the world at the behest of the Party. It has revealed how that Party dreams of a new world order in which China, not America, is dominant.

The two Chinese characters that make up Huawei’s name literally mean, “To Serve China.” That’s clear enough, isn’t it?

Just like Krupps of Nazi Germany, which produced weapons for world domination, Huawei is using technology to accomplish the same thing. But the later has far more dangerous implications and Big Brother dangers.

I have made a decision of late that I am going to follow. I am not ever going to purchase an electronic device that deals with communication, which was produced in China. That negates a majority of items out there, and my current smart phone was made in China. But in a few months, I will almost certainly be purchasing a Samsung replacement. Unless there are any Apple devices not made in China, I'll probably never own anything that has "Apple" on it either. Stirthepot
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Quote:Huawei stands in the same relationship to the Chinese Communist Party as German steelmaker Alfried Krupp did to Germany’s National Socialists in the days leading up to WWII.


Perhaps the funniest thing I've seen this week.

Of course this is accurate.  And Boeing and Intel and many others stand in the exact same relation to the Entity Regime, or Gasprom to the Russian government etc, etc.   Quite natural.  National corporations always advance the needs of their states, directly and indirectly (Huawei -- by bringing tax revenue and advancing the technological level in China),... while multinational corporations prefer to advance the globalist agenda.  


The author is so indoctrinated in the concept of the US exclusivity (incidentally, borrowed from the Nazis all right) that he fails to see that China is building Pax Cinica in almost the same way as the US built Pax Americana .. only difference is that the Chinese do not resort to wars and genocides.

I utterly fail to understand why Pax Americana is a good thing and Pax Cinica is not? Oh yeah, US exclusivity thesis yet again S6



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Quote:As far as “Princess” Meng is concerned...


hostage-taking, simply this. Mafia style, and in line with Trump's background and Bolton's previous behavior.  

Also, rather stupid thing to do.  

1) Trump demonstrated that the US is a basically an over-sized organized criminal group.
2) By talking to the Chinese to negotiate the current armistice and at the same time arresting her, Trump sent a clear message of not being a trustworthy partner.

3) So far, China arrested three Canadians in retaliation, they will do more.  They will not pay the ransom, but will likely take further steps, like arrest some Apple official -- this time an American. The Meng's value to China is incidentally limited, but a Martyred Meng is immensely helpful long-term.

I have a feeling that the US is in a panic mode and becoming totally irrational.  With all the wars being lost and economy collapsing ...  taking hostages .. LOL.
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#7
Yes, very predictable Donald here, busy maligning the enemy in all possible ways.  Slobo=Hitler redux. Ecclesiastes 1:4-11.

Do you know that China also molests their Muslim minorities? This is another topic we should see played loudly.
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(05-13-2019, 01:35 PM)mv Wrote: Yes, very predictable Donald here, busy maligning the enemy in all possible ways.  Slobo=Hitler redux. Ecclesiastes 1:4-11.

Do you know that China also molests their Muslim minorities? This is another topic we should see played loudly.

Yes, it is predictable that President Trump will say all the things the media should be saying. Many topics should be played loudly, but the media is absent. ...Except when a Democrat needs his/her words ballyhooed.
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#9
I've had mixed thinking about China's buildup in the South China Sea islands. In fact, they have been building up their military presence on all of them. I know that one of the main reasons for the buildup is to physically claim them. But are they anywhere near secure in case of war? To my thinking, they are all terribly vulnerable to attack.

Here is an interesting video on how vulnerable they are.

WHY CHINESE MILITARY OUTPOSTS IN SOUTH CHINA SEA WILL NOT LAST EVEN A FEW DAY AGAINST U.S ?


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Now that Trump has followed through on his threat to China, the latest news is the threat China has by controlling the overwhelming majority of 'Rare Earth Elements' and how the US would falter as a result of this, with China raising tariffs on them.  But this article from last month's "The Verge", shows that's not correct.  According to the writer, the US used to be the biggest producer of these rare earth elements, but China entered the market and offered the same elements at a cheaper price.  

And while this may cause some unease initially, the US rare earth market can pick up where it left off, any time Chinese tariffs make them more expensive than being produced locally.  Here's the chart within the article that shows the market percentages and the years, going back from 1950.

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This is a very interesting article and is a good rebuttal to those crying about our loss of all important rare earth elements.  Now that Japan has access to a lode of this resource, China will be hard pressed to use this as a real threat over other's heads.


China can’t control the market in rare earth elements because they aren’t all that rare
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#11
JohnL Wrote:the US would falter as a result of this, with China raising tariffs on them.
Wait a minute... Isn't Trump who is rising tariffs on Chinese imports?

Oooops!  S21

But, OK. I fully agree with you. The Rare Earths domination is a myth.
Just like the Saudis would control the oil market.
Find your "tarr sand" rare earths and it's game over.
There are also these undefined "others". Proof, these rare things can be found on every continent.
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(06-06-2019, 05:43 PM)Fredledingue Wrote: Wait a minute... Isn't Trump who is rising tariffs on Chinese imports?

He's using tariffs as a threat if China, and Mexico, don't play fair. The Chinese are by far the worst offender. But note that Mexico has been guilty, and Trump used tariffs to get them to back down. In fact, the latest news I heard today is that the Mexicans did give in.

One thing that even Trump's enemies have to acknowledge, and that is the fact that Trump is a Fighter. Unlike MacDaddy, or Bubba, or Bush Jr, he goes for the throat if others refuse to play fair.
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#13
LOL. Can we please dispose of this "not fair" nonsense? this is for retards.

The trade system with China is the US creation. That it is not working the way Trump works is the fault of US internal weakness, not of any malicious force outside.

As for fighter : oh yeah, he is. But before praising him for being one, examine just what kind of fighter he is!

The thing is that tariffs are very dangerous weapons -- to both sides. We talk about chemical weapons for a century now, but nobody uses them -- because they are likely to harm your own side as much as the adversary. Every time the US imposes tariffs or sanctions, someone indeed benefits ... but just who? Rarely what one expects.

I can do some examples, but would leave this to you to do some homework, so just a bit:

Aluminium (tariffs) : beneficiary : Australia.
Russian sanctions : beneficiary : Russia. (This one is more Obama than Trump).
Venezuela oil embargo : beneficiary : Russia.
China tariffs: beneficiaries: Vietnam, Malaysia, et al; Europe, -- and in a huge, but very different way, Russia.
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Now, the Rare Earths options were extensively examined for a year. My feeling is that China will not play this card... and this has to do with the types of fighters.

Trump is a boxer (or wrestler, if you like). Brute force, no skill, this is why the results are always not what is intended ... unless he manages to scare the opponent. Mexico can be scared,... EU is becoming difficult, Iran, China, Russia, even Venezuela just don't.

How does one fight a dumb brute force fighter? The wrong answer is symmetrically.... sometimes the best results can be achieved by minimal action to alter the direction of a punch (which sport does Putin have a black belt in?)... and sometimes by just doing nothing, let the brute throw a few punches and croak from a heart attack.

Well, Rare Earth option is a brute force reply. Not a Chinese style. Especially when they have MUCH better brute force options on another product... but the US media is afraid to mention it!

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Basically, watch the movie. It is classic Hollywood, the dumb brute may look scary, but you know the outcome from the beginning. S6
The only difference is that Hollywood brutes rarely whine about how unfair to them things are ... and ours is whiner.
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(06-06-2019, 06:51 PM)mv Wrote: ...Brute force, no skill, this is why the results are always not what is intended ... unless he manages to scare the opponent. Mexico can be scared,... EU is becoming difficult, Iran, China, Russia, even Venezuela just don't.

Nothing you just cited is correct. China cornered the market by driving down prices until no one could compete, then kept prices serviceable so as to keep other sources from re-entering the market. China is also the most scared nation on Earth at the current time. Their cities are jammed with unskilled workers who came off their failing farms. They must manage that mass or surrender. they Fascistally empowered their banking system to secure USA bonds, and now greatly fear the USA devaluing its currency. Selling off these bonds will hurt China, not the USA. Currently, the USA is the biggest marketplace in the world, and other countries fear not being allowed in.
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(06-06-2019, 06:51 PM)mv Wrote: LOL.  Can we please dispose of this "not fair" nonsense? this is for retards.

The trade system with China is the US creation. That it is not working the way Trump works is the fault of US internal weakness, not of any malicious force outside.

Sorry Einstein, but I used the word 'fair' as in Fair Trade, no in "That's not Fair" S7 Its a shame we're not all as mature and sophisticated as you are Comrade. S5
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#16
Sorry, Marx, in Capitalism it is fair to provide good products at lower cost.

What is not fair is to use racketeering trying to gain unfair advantages (Trump); what is immature is to whine about business failure that is entirely due to one's inability to do good job (Trump again, plus his believers).

You know, capitalism actually works... but occasionally one should lock up Marxists and criminals, they are bad for business. S6
Sanders 2020

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(06-07-2019, 10:43 AM)mv Wrote: Sorry, Marx, in Capitalism it is fair to provide good products at lower cost.

What is not fair is to use racketeering trying to gain unfair advantages (Trump); what is immature is to whine about business failure that is entirely due to one's inability to do good job (Trump again, plus his believers).

You know, capitalism actually works... but occasionally one should lock up Marxists and criminals, they are bad for business. S6

Look, I know you can't stand the man, and he makes you sick, but your animus is a bit radical. I personally find him off-putting. Hey, he's a G-d Damned New Yawker, and you of all people should know why, since you work in that Pest Hole. But you are letting this revulsion cloud your logic.

He's a highly successful businessman, and he didn't get that way by being a moron. Further, the US has allowed others to misuse good business ethics, and he is doing what he does best in order to once again have a level playing field. If you can't understand this, then it is you who has a problem.
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#18
LOL,

what makes you think I can't stand the man? I even liked him, and even donated to him in the 2016 cycle!

What I cannot stand is the tendency of some people to blame others for their faults. The trade relations system we have now was the US creation, based on wrong globalization ideas and was put in place over decades. This is not Trump's fault, it is the fault of several previous administrations.

He wants to fix it? Fine. Do it, work on the problems *inside* the US and re-industrialize the country -- and I would love him.

Build! -- this is his area of expertise, is not it?

But no, he runs around like a mutt with rabies and bites everyone he can get his teeth on S4 sad.


LOL...it all will probably end well yet ... Agent Donald may be remembered as the man who ended the Entity.
(If you look at the agreements made during the Xi's visit and around it -- there are hundreds of them and some are extraordinary promising -- you will see what I mean.)
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mv Wrote:LOL. Can we please dispose of this "not fair" nonsense? this is for retards.
Exactly. And also with the "they stole our jobs" and the likes.

mv Wrote:What I cannot stand is the tendency of some people to blame others for their faults. The trade relations system we have now was the US creation, based on wrong globalization ideas and was put in place over decades.

China never decided that the US won't have any tariff for their products. The US decided it and it was not part of any deal. And this is since China entered capitalism.
Please blame all the US presidents since 1980, skipping all the republican ones of course.

The US is the only responsible for what they do or have done.

TBS, putting a 20%~something on import from dead cheap countries is fair. That's what the EU does since the Bronze Age.
But please don't tell it's because others are unfair.

Selling something to you at the best price, unfair? Come on!

WmL Wrote:China cornered the market by driving down prices until no one could compete
That's the goal of any business. That Americans failed at it, is an american problem. Not linked with China.
But Microsoft managed well.

Secondly, the Central Communist Party in Beijin doesn't need any price fixing to be number one on the markets.
They have plenty of workers willing to work for $10 a day whereas in the US workers won't take a job for less than $20 an hour.

JL Wrote:but I used the word 'fair' as in Fair Trade, no in "That's not Fair" S7 Its a shame we're not all as mature and sophisticated
What's the difference?
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(06-07-2019, 05:49 PM)Fredledingue Wrote: ...
WmL Wrote:China cornered the market by driving down prices until no one could compete
That's the goal of any business. That Americans failed at it, is an american problem. Not linked with China.
But Microsoft managed well.

No, that is never the goal of any business. This tactic is only used by big businesses trying to outlast small businesses. Any time a product is sold for less than its amortized cost, It will eventually rise to that real level. By the time that happens, the little guy is out of business, and getting back in is nearly impossible.

Fascism is the government propping up a business partner until it owns the market. Tariffs is an attempt to balance unfair price-fixing.
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