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Trump and NATO
#41
I think so as well, just like US based fundy Christians have aligned with the GOP. It's awful, apostate SHIT or as the Apostle Paul said in Philippians, skubila( Greek for shit).
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#42
(07-28-2018, 06:33 PM)Fredledingue Wrote: IMO, Putin is using the Orthodox Church to legitimate his populist nationalist movement. 

Largely correct and totally unimportant.   This is a very minor factor, and one of many things Putin does -- like any politician he works on his image. Going to church once in a while and meeting the church officials may get him 1% improvement in the rating among very few people who care. Showing his vigor may give him 10%.  Giving a good speech everyone analizes may give him 20%.  ....  etc.  

Stalin -- and his connections to religion -- is a very real and complicated issue but let's not digress.

Palladin Wrote:Our fundamentalists are making it clear they are hooked up with Trump and the GOP. Same problem.
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again, not a very worthy topic.  Of course, any genuinely religious person would tend to side with the GOP, for decades republicans worked hard on lip service to this part of the electorate.  Religious people in the US are no more intelligent than average Sodomites, they are just worked on with different messages.  Many of them accept Trump as a genuine conservative just because he happened to run from allegedly a conservative party, and totally forget that socially Trump is a liberal if anything.  Trump's move of the embassy was yet another typical politician's move to raise the support level.... I'd think 5% or perhaps even 10% worth. 

Boring. S4

Surely not to the level to worry about a religious dictatorship suddenly overcoming the US ... albeit, would it be such a bad thing?  One can see advantages of the society in the Heinlein's sketches over the current morass. S6

Now, since this is a NATO topic: what about appointing the Pope Commander-in-chief-of-NATO? 

Incidentally, do notice that the move of the Embassy represents an Agreement with Israel and begins the 7-year count. Implications are many, including Trump's getting the 2nd term.  And the fundamentalists are all so excited... just as they were prophesied to be S6
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#43
After some jihadists nuke the Vatican, and the pope miraculously survives, then the pope will lead Europe in an all-out civil war that will drive out all Muslims.
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#44
mv, I agree Putin's show with orthodoxe popes is not very important. Thought IMO it's more than one percent but it's very difficult to quantify.
Pro Putin people don't base their decision on single events Putin does but on the complete picture, composed of may images they like.
"Putin is strong and he protects Russia from jews, gays and muslims from the decadent west and he is also supporting our ancestral traditional russian values." (An old priest with a long beard and dressed as 1000 years ago means ancestral russian values.

It also works both ways: The Orthodox Church also got some 10%+ aproval after posing with Putin. If Putin is with them, these religious men must be good russians.
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#45
Quote:Putin is strong and he protects Russia from jews, gays and muslims

I doubt such a message is possible, it is totally contrary to Putin's position. None of these groups is seen as hostile.

Not Islam per se -- but radical Islam. Russia contains large areas with traditional Muslim population that are generally not a problem -- at this time.
Not gays per se -- but gay propaganda that is being restricted, especially directed at younger people. And as for Jews, I'm not aware of anything....

Quote:The Orthodox Church also got some 10%+ aproval after posing with Putin

sure, but I doubt it is this much. Orthodox Church gets a bit more of TV coverage. Regardless, the topic is too minor to digress further.

Quote:After some jihadists nuke the Vatican, and the pope miraculously survives, then the pope will lead Europe in an all-out civil war that will drive out all Muslims.

Just not *this* pope, unless they master brain transplants. With "a pope leading Europe" I have no problem.....
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#46
Most of the nations of Europe are various shades of socialistic, and the present pope is a socialist. Looks like a ready made match.
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#47
(07-30-2018, 08:09 PM)Ron Lambert Wrote:  the present pope is a socialist

and thus unlikely to lead anywhere other then the abyss.... perhaps the next one.
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#48
Noticed the US made the same warning the other day which tells me we're going to get another Sunni jihadi gas attack on civilians in Syria so the US/France/UK/Israel attack the government of Syria, gotta have a good reason!

https://sputniknews.com/world/2018082710...d-support/
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#49
(08-27-2018, 01:55 PM)Palladin Wrote: Noticed the US made the same warning the other day which tells me we're going to get another Sunni jihadi gas attack on civilians in Syria so the US/France/UK/Israel attack the government of Syria, gotta have a good reason!

https://sputniknews.com/world/2018082710...d-support/

Quite possible.

British privateers were already detected in the area preparing an attack, Russian MOD issued a warning, so another round is quite possible.  

Very unlikely it will change the outcome of the forthcoming Idlib offensive any, simply yet another chance for Dear Donald to play with WWIII matches.
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#50
W/O a huge intervention, this war is over. I'm hoping one doesn't come, but, with these pronouncements cropping up, you know we're about to send some cruise missiles to help the jihadists.
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