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#21
Yea and Israel is right in the thick of that Sunni jihad support system.

You exempt them from the critique and they're a huge part of the Sunni jihad support system in the southern Syrian campaign.

Those bastards have taken in wounded jihadis and sent them back into the fight since late 2011. No more or less moral vomit than any other people group.
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#22
Hell, what do you want?

Bibi, as an American, is fully incapable of either moral or rational decisions, so he does what he does -- makes Israel an indispensable part of the Sunni-Sodomite alliance.

You want him to be hanged for the crimes against humanity?

I have no problem with this at all.

You want the entire shitset: US/UK/KSA/Qatar/AQ/ISIS and yes, Israel flushed down the toilet?

I have no problems with this either.

You can take Turkey too. S6
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#23
No I don't want that. I'd prefer each state just mind their own business, mainly mine since we empower a ton of nefarious crap since 1995.

I'd prefer the USA minded our business which is governing the USA and stopped running a global empire that would ally with or against Joe Stalin or Osama Bin Laden based on changing events.

I'm sick of being part of it by paying taxes to the USA and I'm sick of the apostate, ignorant ass American Christians who don't know a thimble full of Christian theology that think modern Israel is related to ancient Israel either. It's about as much related to ancient Israel as my ass is.


I don't mind each state existing, I do mind helping pay for things like a Sunni jihad in Syria while we fight the jihad in Afghanistan. It's disgusting and needs to stop.

BTW, I don't see Russia as any less duplicitous, just less capable. Putin is using the ignorant Orthodox in Russia for support like the GOP does in the USA or Constantine did in 385 AD.
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#24
Quote: I'd prefer each state just mind their own business

But of course, and how do you achieve this? By eliminating the worst offenders, the Old Testament way. Fire and brimstone. S6

Quote:I'm sick of the apostate, ignorant ass American Christians

There are no Christians in America ever since the destruction of Branch Davidians.... Nothing to lose.

As for Russia, you are wrong twice. Both on capabilities, and on Christianity.
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#25
This Prayer Breakfast thing is incredible. But it's the US. That's where guys like Session come form and are able to quote the Bible for separating migrant children from their parents. Or Junior etc.

I don't think the White Helmets are relevant, but they seem enough important to have been granted asylum in Canada, Germany and UK. No US here, you will note. They were not ISIS terrorists, just the faction supported by the west. For the Russians, it was good riddance that they left.

Putin is not duplicitous. Doesn't have to be. Doesn't have to hide or tell anything. Nobody questions Putin. He doesn't have to report to Human Right organisations as western leaders do.
He manages oil deals in Syria, and that's all. There is no other consideration regarding this man.

I'm laughing LMAO when I read that christian right-wings and other supremacists admire Putin for his strenght and bare chest riding.
Putin does absolutely nothing for his country. He is just an oligarch working with other oligarchs. Russia is still the retarded nation it was when Putin succeeded to Yelstsin.
The only positive about him is that with another strongman, the situation in Russia would probably have been much worse. Stagnation can be considered a success in Russia.
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#26
I had to backtrack and check what thread this was. ...Something for disgruntled savants who can accuse, judge, and sentence all and sundry others.who have strayed into their paths.
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#27
Quote:I don't think the White Helmets are relevant, but they seem enough important to have been granted asylum in Canada, Germany and UK.

Of course they are relevant and important, they are trained chemical weapons and media manipulation specialists, way more valuable that the foot soldiers in the US ISIS divisions.

and about half of the White Helmets are Western nationals that do not need asylums, many of those will be returning to the US.
(roughly : ~800 W.H. evacuated to Israel, ~400 showed up in Jordan -- these are local Arab helpers, less valuable, and they will be getting asylums).
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#28
I don't think you need 800 trained chemical weapons and media manipulation specialists. Just 4 or 5 are enough for a propaganda war. The hundreds ot others had other functions. Maybe logistic, communication, I don't know. But if they felt that they had to flee the advancing Syrian troops, they were not innocent rescue workers.

Today the Russians offered Israel to watch the Goland Heights and keep Iranians away.

Sometimes, these russians can be so lovely and naive...
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#29
(07-23-2018, 06:24 PM)Fredledingue Wrote: I don't think you need 800 trained chemical weapons and media manipulation specialists. Just 4 or 5 are enough for a propaganda war.



The hundreds ot others had other functions. Maybe logistic, communication, I don't know. But if they felt that they had to flee the advancing Syrian troops, they were not innocent rescue workers.


Americans and american-trained, massive duplication in functionality is necessary, otherwise nothing gets done. 

A typical US chemical warfare team includes 11 people -- copied from soccer to conceal US origins.  4 people hold them limbs of the target, 4 others have guns pointed at the heads of the first four, less they run away, one holds the head of the target, and the tenth holds a gun to the ninth's head.
Finally the Gaolkeeper administers Novichok or Sarin.  

Quote:Today the Russians offered Israel to watch the Goland Heights and keep Iranians away.
I'd not jump on this item yet, they are still bargaining, and I would expect the Israelis taking some kind of a deal of this type.

With US/FSA/AQ/ISIS gone from S-W Syria, just who is going to stop Hizbollah teams from doing anything they like in the area?
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#30
(07-24-2018, 01:02 PM)mv Wrote: A typical US chemical warfare team includes 11 people -- copied from soccer to conceal US origins.  4 people hold them limbs of the target, 4 others have guns pointed at the heads of the first four, less they run away, one holds the head of the target, and the tenth holds a gun to the ninth's head.
Finally the Gaolkeeper administers Novichok or Sarin.  

Sigh, not a chance Comrade Einstein.  The eleven person team is typical of an infantry squad: two five person teams and one squad leader.  It only makes sense to use this magic number.   No strange coincidence involved.  Nice try though.  Aww
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#31
The typical soccer team has eleven field players, but most teams consist of 15 players, coaches, assistants, managers, medical, and more. There is no congruence.
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#32
LOL. Touche!
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#33
MV,

I didn't say Orthodox Christianity was sub par, if I belonged to a denomination that would be it. I meant the church is aligned with Putin and that's bad for the church and the state, IMO.

Yes, there are a ton of Christians in the USA and some actually worship God and not Uncle Sam.
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#34
I wonder if you are overlooking tha possibility that faith and life can be synergistic. One needn't wear a hair-shirt to have religion. What is best is to find your faith in your everyday life. It is not an either-or proposition.
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#35
Palladin,

Just what do you mean by *aligned* ? -- this is the part I'm afraid you do not understand. Russian Orthodox church is not an arm of state.

The orthodox church is the majority church in Russia. This is historical. It has no special constitutional role and it is far from certain if it has any political influence. And of course it is supportive of the country -- not of specific politicians.

It is also not the only recognized religion in Russia. So are the catholics, lutherans, muslims, buddhists and jews -- all historic religions. I don't really follow their politics but I've seen a number of statements over the years from Muslims and Jews that were supportive of Russia (and thus, indirectly of Putin). I'm not talking about doomsday cults like Aum Shinrikyo or Jehovah witnesses et al, of course.

On the other hand, a number of people (including some I really respect) feel that the Orthodox church is an outdated corrupt institution ,,, and some even believe that paganism would have been better for Russia -- conversion was therefore a mistake. Who knows ....

And as another indication of no special role of Orthodox christianity in Russia... I have a friend from many decades ago, we were in school together. After the end of communism, he spent a few years as a very devoted orthodox christian...(devoted == actually lived as a monk!)... then a few as a devoted buddhist.... then, as a devoted Muslim....and for the last three years all I hear from him is that he is a Jew in heart and needs to find the true origins of his family to confirm this.

He did just fine in all of these devotions ... albeit it so happened that only Islam was really beneficial to him (a very special case).

Perhaps he will try Aum Shinrikyo or Scientology yet. S6
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#36
MV,

It may not be formal, but, the leadership of the Russian Orthodox Church is definitely making it known they support Putin. That's awful, IMO.

That's why I oppose it there and here.

Our fundamentalists are making it clear they are hooked up with Trump and the GOP. Same problem.

Secular power is not what Christians should be about.

William,

I agree with what you said, don't know exactly what you are responding to.
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#37
Support is a very vague term, to the point of being meaningless.

No religious leader of any kind, either Russia or the US, would dare to support a politician in everything this politician does, past and future.

So, you are talking about supporting in specific actions or specific course. Clarify just what you have in mind, and let's see.

And I will admit that while my overall sense of the Sun-God is that of a comic personality, I fully support his actions ... in some limited areas. Like EPA, for example.
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#38
(07-27-2018, 10:30 AM)Palladin Wrote: ... I agree with what you said, don't know exactly what you are responding to.

You said: "there are a ton of Christians in the USA and some actually worship God and not Uncle Sam."
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#39
William,

I see.

How can that bother you? I said "worship Uncle Sam", I didn't say obey the laws of the secular state. Of course we can and should do that.
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#40
IMO, Putin is using the Orthodox Church to legitimate his populist nationalist movement. And the Orthodox Church is not against being given some support from Putin.
It's Putin who supports and has the power to support the Orthodox Church or anyone else in Russia, not the other way round. Putin is at the top of the food chain there.

Putin believes in the Soviet Union, not in God, or if he does, God is only second to the Soviet Union. But he understood that standing next to an Orthodox pope with his impressive beard and costume has some effect on nationalist Russians (and babushkas).
For many Russians, you are not 100% Russian if you have another religion, but atheism is allowed if you worship Stalin (still not exactly atheism thought).
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