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Iran on the Brink
#81
Referring to people/sites that actually tried to understand what has happened, not merely reprinted US admin versions that instantly contradict common sense.

(Example: type of munition used to attack the tankers. Not consistent with torpedoes or mines as claimed by the US, too high above the waterline. Consistent with Hellfire missiles. Does not mean it was exactly that, of course.)
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#82
[Image: IMG_7761.jpg]The Iranians had patrol boats put magnet charges on the tankers, a Hellfire missile would have either sunk or caused a massive explosion and fire on the tanker. Several sunk tankers would have impeded Irans ability to move its oil to markets.
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#83
How would a patrol boat have been able to sneak in and do this? Wouldn't there be lookouts for just such things? After all, this location is a constantly dangerous area. Also, don't these ships have radar that would have identified the boats?
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#84
Yes, these arguments argue strongly against the boat.

There is however one possibility: a boat (or small sub) was used to deliver a trained terrorist who approached a tanker underwater, then climb on the side of tanker and placed a mine or two high above the waterline.

(Do notice that there was no explosion and no spill either -- and I think this might have been was a part of the perp plan to limit the damage.)|

Now, an air-to-ground missile (Hellfire is surely not the only one): no explosion is not a problem if what the tankers carried was not oil. the reports said "chemicals").

And I would not find it now but a blogger a few days ago posted comparison photos of damage in this incident and some old tests of Hellfire that we on internet, indeed looked similar.

Basically we can exclude torpedoes and nearly exclude small boats.... but not find out what it was.

Quote:Several sunk tankers would have impeded Irans ability to move its oil to markets.
You are missing a huge factor.

Iran cannot sell oil right now -- part of the US sanctions blockade.

Iran further stated -- officially -- that if they cannot export oil, no one else will be able too.
(but this does not mean that they are the culprits).

And this is HALF of what I meant that Trump's reelection in case of an attack on Iran is questionable : to stop Iran from carrying this threat one would need a full size war, Vietnam-level.

The situation is actually quite similar to 1940 in the Pacific when the US began a war on Japan.
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#85
JohnL Wrote:How would a patrol boat have been able to sneak in and do this?
Greenpeace does it regularly.

mv Wrote:Iran cannot sell oil right now -- part of the US sanctions blockade.
Iran still sells and export oil.
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Fred Wrote:
Quote:JohnL Wrote:
How would a patrol boat have been able to sneak in and do this?
Greenpeace does it regularly.

Slightly different circumstances.  Greenpeace is using 'civil disobedience' and the subjects above are using military action, and shooting at each other.
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LOL. I'll go further on this : Greenpeace would not mind being caught. Free publicity and donations. Heck, they would not mind being shot at even, at least the leaders of Greenpeace would not mind their volunteers being shot S6

Quote:Iran still sells and export oil.

Very little and the US is doing everything possible to cut this income. Natural gas is to be next.

This is a full scale economic war, and this is the reason why the idea of Iran provoking the US into a military attack is not totally crazy, it may be their only way to win.
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