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Iran on the Brink
#41
I'm still trying to understand which 'so called' WMDs(Weapon of Mass Destruction) MV is talking about. The only REAL WMDs are nuclear/radiological, or biological. The inclusion of chemical is a civilian attempt to bastardize the title, because a chemical weapon is not capable of "mass destruction". It dissimulates too quickly to kill 'en mass'. And for the life of me I can't find any reference of anyone actually using nuclear or biological weapons.

Of course, I rely on a military definition, not some ever changing civilian attempt.
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#42
(08-09-2018, 09:51 PM)John L Wrote: I'm still trying to understand which 'so called' WMDs(Weapon of Mass Destruction) MV is talking about.  The only REAL WMDs are nuclear/radiological, or biological.  The inclusion of chemical is a civilian attempt to bastardize the title, because a chemical weapon is not capable of "mass destruction".  It dissimulates too quickly to kill 'en mass'.  And for the life of me I can't find any reference of anyone actually using nuclear or biological weapons.  

Of course, I rely on a military definition, not some ever changing civilian attempt.

OK, let's make sense of it.  

Generally I concur.

Inclusion of chemicals is indeed bastardization, which was going on for decades.    Chemical weapons are at most tactical, and suitable only for WWI-type warfare, in other scenarios they are not capable of much of anything.
(Nonetheless, notice that *officially* they are WMD , banned, and only one country maintains chemical weapons supplies and continues research on them -- in particular in Porton Down where the Skripal incident occurred.)

So are the biological -- we actually do not know what they are capable of, nobody used them ever since the same country used them on Amerinds... this is more than a hundred years ago. 

[ One may think that what the *civilians* (diplomats) meant by WMD could have been better defined as non-conventional.... something that uses a more advanced idea than gunpowder.  Bad definition. ]

So... this leaves nuclear as properly defined WMDs ... perhaps ? Well, not quite.  One can accomplish the same results with conventional weapons as with nuclear.  Saturated bombardment or bombing of cities is the primary example here; more people were killed in Tokyo than in Hiroshima with that -- in civilian tongue S6 --- non-WMD  approach. 

Now, do we have some examples?  But of course, Tokyo and Dresden in WWII, going back in time, Atlanta, and going to the modern times, Mosul and Raqqa. Wm should pull his head out of the sand and look at the footage from these two cities, it is very reminiscent.  And this is exactly what makes Trump a mass murderer.

(5 cities mentioned --- these are the primary examples -- illustrate the continuity of the approach of *ONE* country. Once a murderer gets his way he becomes a serial murderer .. and there is only one way of dealing with him.)

So, yes, Trump is indeed guilty of a capital offense.  Why? Historic precedent here, in Nuremberg Goering was made responsible for the actions of the Luftwaffe, albeit those lack in scale comparing to what the US did. 

Case closed.  

Now, how this will play out?  We shall see.. remember, good ole' Hermann managed to escape. S6
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#43
PS> I should admit I still like the SunGod ... an entertaining creature... just like good ole' Herman was. S6
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#44
(08-10-2018, 10:07 AM)mv Wrote: ...Case closed. 

No, it is not. Every link put up showed the story of a Saudi-led coalition air strike on a Houthi rebel stronghold. Trump was nowhere in any of these links. Since the driver stopped to get a drink, are you claiming he was complicit in a prearranged atrocity? The only way Trump could even be remotely involved would be his change in rules of engagement, but those responsible were not under them.

WMD as John posted are big things that kill over a wide area, indiscriminately of whoever is in the target area. Of course nukes and poison gas are included, but also anything else that does the same thing. Dresden was not destroyed by one WMD - but the synergy of thousands of bombs may as well have been.

The more important question is why anyone fakes the news to point the finger at Trump. Do people read their own links anymore?
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(08-10-2018, 01:13 PM)WmLambert Wrote:
(08-10-2018, 10:07 AM)mv Wrote: ...Case closed. 

No, it is not. Every link put up showed the story of a Saudi-led coalition air strike on a Houthi rebel stronghold. 

Well, let's look more carefully, just where was Trump -- perhaps it is just a Saudi crime indeed and we owe the poor Sungod an apology?

Saudis are one of the firmest US allies -- not relevant indeed, just goes to the setup.


Saudis are the largest US weapon importer -- not relevant enough, just goes to the complicity (selling weapons to known murderers is not kosher, but not a capital offens)

Saudi operations are fully endorsed and supported by the US diplomatically -- again, these are just words, but instigating crimes is also a crime.

So, perhaps you do have a point and poor Sungod is maligned?

Not quite, sorry !   It is the US that is doing the targeting in Yemen.  

This has been well-known for a while and WSJ actually wrote about the targeting assistance on June 12th, 2018.

And this places the Sungod directly on the scene of the crime.  

Sorry for bad news, Wm.  

And sorry for making it worse : strikes on Mosul and Raqqa (and much else of course) were the work of the US-led "coalition".   You would not be suggesting that the US Air Force is not under Trump's command, I hope? 

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May I ask again: do you find killing Yemeni children a good thing to do? In the name of the Shiny THING on the Hill, perhaps ? S6

Dead kids look so cute indeed :


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#46
I wonder how many of these children are used as a shield, or hostage, in order to use against the other side?
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(08-10-2018, 01:37 PM)mv Wrote: ...Sorry for bad news, Wm.  

...Dead kids look so cute indeed

Saddest thing is the posed photo. You can just see the camo-clad leg at the top of the truck with three dead kids thrown on top of the trash, and posed for the propaganda value. Look in the mirror to see the hopeless target of this effort.

Once again, Trump and the USA had little or nothing to do with the incident. Even if the US helped with bombing coordinates, you know without reservation that the kids stopping there at the wrong time was not planned. At least on the Alliance's side. Why did the driver park them there and leave the bus to "get a drink?" Human shield does sound likely.
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(08-10-2018, 02:06 PM)WmLambert Wrote: Once again, Trump and the USA had little or nothing to do with the incident. Even if the US helped with bombing coordinates, you know without reservation that the kids stopping there at the wrong time was not planned. At least on the Alliance's side. Why did the driver park them there and leave the bus to "get a drink?" Human shield does sound likely.

If you paid a little attention to the Yemeni war, you would have known that this is not an isolated incidents, there were many, and they amount to the coalition strategy to inflict fear in the civilian population.  There were documented reports about weddings and funerals likewise attacked. 

And once again, the US has everything to do with this, and Trump is personally responsible for this and many other murders.  

Here is about the April Wedding :

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingne...39002.html

Human shields to protect the wedding from the US "liberators" ?  Really ? 

The stories are many.

And US involvement went further than just providing the coordinates, US personnel mans the coalition command centers! This has been reported several times before, and now there are leaked photos too:


Natural, given the quality of the Saudi army, don't you think? And would you be very surprised to find out that the pilots were American as well?
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