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Migrant children separation
#1
Sad 
Why are migrant children separated from the parents when they arrested at the border.

What is this?
Does the US want to be a cruel country intentionaly? Reaching new lows and knowing it?

Is it true that Jeff Session quoted the apostle Paul to justify this? 
Last time someone quoted the Bible it was to bomb and invade Iraq...

Haaretz Wrote:Well, first, it clarifies that the problem here is not Romans 13. It’s not about who cited the verse, it’s about how they read it. 

But secondly, it clarifies that Sessions is not just reaching for biblical support. Rather, he is joining a tradition of interpretation that sees in Romans 13 a support for unchecked authority - whether it’s Charles’ absolute monarchy, the Fugitive Slave Act, or even worse. "Orderly and lawful processes," Sessions says, "are good in themselves" - which is to say, he is rejecting the idea that government must justify its legitimacy. Authority, for Sessions, is its own justification. 

And that’s especially clear in the present case, since after all, the Trump Administration’s policy of mass child separation, as well as Sessions’ decision that those fearing domestic violence or gang violence may not be granted asylum, are not law, in the sense of external dictates that Sessions is required to obey. Rather, they are policies and interpretations of law, that legal scholars, and more importantly, past administrations, have disagreed upon.    

What’s truly crazy in Sessions citing Romans is that he is positioning himself as the submitting servant - Paul’s Christian audience - when he is in fact the man wielding power - the Roman government. "I am not going to apologize for carrying out our laws," Sessions said.  

But they’re not our laws at all, except perhaps in the sense of the royal "we." They are his laws, his choices, his policies. And by quoting Romans 13, Jeff Sessions is telling us that, as far as he is concerned, he is the law, and he will brook no questions.
   
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#2
It's just unbelievable that so many make excuses for this and it isn't important if it happened before anymore than that would be an excuse for Hitler or Mao cause their predecessors did it.

The problem here is 2 fold:

1) These people from Honduras to Mexico are in a cauldron of drug money fueled chaos and violence and in some case the state has lost the fight.

2) The USA from around the late 19th century did a hell of a job disseminating propaganda that the USA is a haven from evil for the poor and oppressed.

Well, a majority of Americans don't give a rat's ass about that anymore, so we need to do as good of a job disseminating a new message, "FUCK OFF, that ain't who we are now"!

You guys don't be going on about illegal, there is no legal avenue for unskilled labor to come here for obvious reasons, you guys know them and are for them and I know that because I've been here a decade and not 1 time has anyone here suggested changing the law to accommodate these desperate people at all.

FINALLY Fred, today the USA has apparently stopped this heinous godforsaken evil for now. Even right wing people like Franklin Graham were creating a firestorm and the blond lady who leads this effort at DHS got run out of a Mexican restaurant today. GOOD! These hateful self absorbed bastards should never be left alone to sleep good ever again, including Jeff Sessions and the god he worships, Don J Trump:

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-r...at-mexican

https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost...6e6fd7e3b0

https://hotair.com/archives/2018/06/20/h...-outcomes/
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#3
The problem is that the kids are in danger from predators as much as being "torn away" from parents who would be judged unfit if American citizens. Over here, you can lose your child for not putting them in the right car seat. Sticking them on top of a train is somehow allowed?
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#4
One photo on the internet of grown people on a train in Mexico and William accuses our poorer, weaker neighbors of being child abusers.

Now we know the name of the RICH MAN in the parable Jesus told about the rich man and Lazarus! It's William!

Don't worry William, it's not literal fire Jesus was discussing. It's gonna burn your hard heart out of your chest one day though.

Here William , look at this evil little woman from Guatamala stupid enough to believe the damned lies people like you have pushed about the USA being exceptional and a haven for the poor. She got murdered by a hard hearted border patrol agent. Shot right in her forehead, big dangerous evil thug she was.

That agent grew up listening to cruel men like you dehumanize people and this is the result. Guess what's gonna happen to him?

He'll end up committing suicide, you watch. That man won't be able to close his eyes w/o seeing her, he can't undo that murder and that's all this was. He could tell the difference between her and a grown man. Don Trump has the same type of heart.

BTW, if I lived in that area, if I had to die I'd find out who murdered her. That fu.cker wouldn't be able to sleep or go out in public w/o me harrassing him. I'd park in front of his house and hold up this poor girl's pic so his wife and kids could see what their big bad man did.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018...identified
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#5
WmL Wrote:ver here, you can lose your child for not putting them in the right car seat.

Greatest way to give "sovereignty to the poeple".  S9
What else does the US suck with?
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#6
Fred,

Anything involving any kindness or respect for any humans other than our selves.
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#7
LOL
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#8
Here's a story on a few of these poor people that William considers criminals:

http://time.com/5318718/central-american...es-crisis/
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#9
(06-21-2018, 05:30 PM)Fredledingue Wrote:
WmL Wrote:Over here, you can lose your child for not putting them in the right car seat.

Greatest way to give "sovereignty to the poeple".  S9
What else does the US suck with?

You don't give sovereignty to the people. They already have it. ...The only country on Earth that is constructed that way. All other countries have sovereignty with the State, and like a benevolent dictator, only does good for its people if it sees some profit for itself for doing so. It is possible to give sovereignty away, though, if too many stupid people don't protect it.

The thing about car seats, is the Left have convinced people to vote in things that are stupid. One is to make sure kids are swaddled in bubble-wrap and taught by government approved schools with social engineering.
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#10
It appears that the Media's blitz on border children separations has failed.  And the reason to me is self-evident: Rank hypocrisy.  They are so hell bent on destroying the Devil in the WH that they have overlooked the fact that perhaps only one of them may have actually questioned MacDaddy's complicity prior to Trump's tenure.

Rasmussen Reports: Voters Blame Parents, Not Feds, For Border Children Crisis

Sen. Baldwin Dodges on Whether She Called Out Obama Administration for Family Separation




Obviously the biggest concern is that of security.  If so many can cross safely, how many of them were terrorists, who may well be setting up attacks that could lead to the deaths of hundreds of innocent citizens.  

But here is something, or someone else that will almost certainly enter the mix,.....very soon.

Leading Mexican Presidential Candidate Obrador Calls for MASS EXODUS TO UNITED STATES When He Wins Election

If this socialist wins, and it looks like he will, there is going to be one down and out Mexico-US firestorm.

Tucker Carlson warns about Mexico's likely next president


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#11
Trump changed his child kidnapping policy didn't he? I'd say it worked pretty well.

Good thing most Americans didn't despise people in trouble when your mom's family got here.

Airlines are refusing to work with this hateful crew running our nation, sheriff's even in Texas are saying NO. These hateful creeps can't even go out in public w/o being driven from restaurants like the hateful hyenas they are. I hope they never have another day's rest until they repent.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/natio...y,amp.html
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#12
If you are denying citizenship to the mexicans coming to your country, don't be surprised that they still vote for their mexican president who vows to protect mexican citizen (who don't have US citizenship) who are in the US.
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#13
Palladin, why don't the Democrats repent of THEIR LAW that for decades has required separation of children from parents of illegal aliens? Bill Clinton signed the law. A Democrat-controlled Congress created and voted for the law. Obama enforced the law during the eight years of his presidency. Where is the outrage against the real culprits here?

Now when Trump and the Republicans are trying to get a law passed that will reform the whole immigration system and practices and protocols, Democrats are deliberately being obstructionist, voting down everything, with Chuck Schumer openly saying they want the issue to still be hotly contested when the November elections come around, so they can continue blaming Trump and the Republicans. For something they themselves really are responsible for.

This is the kind of blinding stupidity that is going to go heavily against Democrats in November. Everyone can see what they are doing, and who is really revealed as the ones who are truly being contemptible and unAmerican.
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#14
Ron,

When you stand before The Lord for your own evaluation, democrats or leftists are not going to be a foil for you, Ron.

The parable of the rich man and Lazarus is the prism I look through with these people whereas it seems to me you and the rest here are looking through the prism of national politics.

Most these people are in pretty desperate conditions, some in extreme danger from drug gangs enriched by USA drug demand. As a man who has had plenty in my life, I am not going to try and tell them to "F OFF". That's the rich man's role and our role is the good Samaritan.


I know the democrats are wanting them in to get their votes, I wasn't born yesterday.

I don't care, my job is to pray for them and help them and I have financially personally in Guatamala and Mexico and I am not going to demand they cannot find haven here.

I suspect if they were British people all 3 of you guys would love them better.
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(06-25-2018, 07:38 PM)Palladin Wrote: Ron,

When you stand before The Lord for your own evaluation, democrats or leftists are not going to be a foil for you, Ron.

The parable of the rich man and Lazarus is the prism I look through with these people whereas it seems to me you and the rest here are looking through the prism of national politics.

 Most these people are in pretty desperate conditions, some in extreme danger from drug gangs enriched by USA drug demand. As a man who has had plenty in my life, I am not going to try and tell them to "F OFF". That's the rich man's role and our role is the good Samaritan.


I know the democrats are wanting them in to get their votes, I wasn't born yesterday.

I don't care, my job is to pray for them and help them and I have financially personally in Guatamala and Mexico and I am not going to demand they cannot find haven here.

I suspect if they were British people all 3 of you guys would love them better.

Somehow I thought "The Rule of Law" was important.  Am I wrong here?  Furthermore, suppose you and others get anyone to illegally cross the border, and some of them, who are terrorists, turn around and kill scores of innocent citizens in some mall, or even church, or Lord forbid, set off a Nuke.  How will you(second person plural) look when you "stand before the Lord"?

Sort of reminds me of the saying that "The Road To Hell is Paved With Good Intentions." Shock
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#16
I don't think rule of law is what is driving you here, John.

If everyone of them was allowed in legally you would want it stopped wouldn't you? I think because you know they will vote for a democrat eventually, I get that. I ain't crazy about that side of it either.


There is no provision for them to immigrate here under normal conditions, low education, low skilled labor is not within the SOP immigration structure and you know this, I've posted about it repeatedly and you don't want it fixed, correct?

Or do you? So they can come on in?

You read enough to know their lives are pretty tough down there and it's getting worse daily due to these American drug fueled/demand gangs. It's destroyed 3 of the CA states and I honestly think Mexico is going down to them. There have been 134 politicians murdered in this latest campaign season. 134.

It's to the point where fear is going to default the nation to the thugs. You and your family would be heading north yourselves. Yes you would and so would mine. Just like East European Jews saw the USA as a light in the darkness, so do these people.


We've been selling that narrative real well you know?

BTW, I actually think it is bad for the nation to have too many of them as it holds down wages for lower education folks like myself, but, I can't stand here and say NO to these struggling folks. I'm too close to meeting God and I want Him to think of me more as the Samaritan and not the rich man because compared to them , I am the rich man.

BTW, I had a guy claim I didn't really want to help them that I am just a "liberal" that wants their votes. No, I honestly have spent several thousand in Guatamala, Mexico and Puerto Rico the last several years and I am not crazy about liberal politicians anymore than I am Trump.
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(06-25-2018, 10:06 PM)Palladin Wrote: I don't think rule of law is what is driving you here, John.  

If everyone of them was allowed in legally you would want it stopped wouldn't you? I think because you know they will vote for a democrat eventually, I get that. I ain't crazy about that side of it either.


There is no provision for them to immigrate here under normal conditions, low education, low skilled labor is not within the SOP immigration structure and you know this, I've posted about it repeatedly and you don't want it fixed, correct?

Or do you? So they can come on in?

You read enough to know their lives are pretty tough down there and it's getting worse daily due to these American drug fueled/demand gangs. It's destroyed 3 of the CA states and I honestly think Mexico is going down to them. There have been 134 politicians murdered in this latest campaign season. 134.

It's to the point where fear is going to default the nation to the thugs. You and your family would be heading north yourselves. Yes you would and so would mine. Just like East European Jews saw the USA as a light in the darkness, so do these people.


We've been selling that narrative real well you know?

BTW, I actually think it is bad for the nation to have too many of them as it holds down wages for lower education folks like myself, but, I can't stand here and say NO to these struggling folks. I'm too close to meeting God and I want Him to think of me more as the Samaritan and not the rich man because compared to them , I am the rich man.

BTW, I had a guy claim I didn't really want to help them that I am just a "liberal" that wants their votes. No, I honestly have spent several thousand in Guatamala, Mexico and Puerto Rico the last several years and I am not crazy about liberal politicians anymore than I am Trump.

Stop using your own lack of advanced schooling to make you outside the norm. We all have ample opportunity and potential to have learned and grown. You've blamed the cause of illegal immigration on "American drug fueled/demand gangs." ...Just a figment of your imagination. The drug cartels have gained power to the point that they control the illegal immigration. The average payment they expect to allow these refugees across the border is $6 thousand. Refugees who try on their own, are now hunted down and killed. What is more, the people who they encourage to leave their countries are the same people who ought to be in the movement to fix their own countries. Not only do the Cartels get rid of their opposition, they make money getting rid of them.
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(06-25-2018, 10:06 PM)Palladin Wrote: I don't think rule of law is what is driving you here, John.  

And I think you are grossly misinformed and thinking very narrowly.

(06-25-2018, 10:06 PM)Palladin Wrote: If everyone of them was allowed in legally you would want it stopped wouldn't you? I think because you know they will vote for a democrat eventually, I get that. I ain't crazy about that side of it either.

One of the four tenants of Liberalism is "The Rule of Law". And as a True Liberal, I tell you that you are misinformed and not thinking correctly.

And unlike you, I am an Army Brat, where I grew up with many different people, including Hispanics. Of anyone here, I am the LEAST prejudiced on this. So please, don't look at me with your own prejudices, based on your thoughts and upbringing in East Tennessee.
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John,

I'm not saying you're a racist, I am saying you don't want these folks here legally. Deny that?

William,


Where do you suppose the cash flow to the drug gangs comes from? El Salvador?
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(06-26-2018, 08:15 PM)Palladin Wrote: John,

I'm not saying you're a racist, I am saying you don't want these folks here legally. Deny that?

I certainly do.  And you should be ashamed of yourself, trying to tar me with your own past prejudices.  If they are here legally, I have no problem, no matter where they come from.....legally.  It is the "illegality",i.e. criminal behaviour, of such things that I am against.  

ONE MORE TIME: Classic Liberalism is founded upon
- Responsible Individualism
- Limited Self-Government
- The Rule of Law
- Free Trade/Enterprise

Do I need to cut a hole in your skull, and pour this in for you to finally Get It?!  Spiteful
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